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Anonymous wrote:Even if it was pre-meditated, couldn't her lawyers argue that the medications she was on contributed to irrational thinking? It's similar to when someone plans to kill themselves. They plan out the act and carry it out--it doesn't mean this was intentional. They were experiencing a psychotic episode that resulted in irrational thinking that led to suicide. This is a heartbreaking case. I do not think this woman intended to kill her children. If you took away the PPD and medications she was on, she would not have planned this murder.

You can say that for any murder…if you take away xyz they wouldn’t commit the murder.

Exactly. There is a series on Netflix called “I am a Killer” and a common theme of these killers was unimaginable childhood abuse, mental illness, and subsequent drug addiction. They are all serving their life sentences in jail. If she gets off a lot of old cases will need to be re-opened and tried.

Exactly, why is this so difficult to comprehend? Lindsay Clancy’s case is not unique, there are arguably more severely mentally ill murderers sitting in jail cells or dead via lethal injection right now. They weren’t ever placed in mental hospitals, they are in prison or dead. Even if Lindsay had PPD, I honestly believe she had preexisting anxiety and depression, but even if she had PPD, this doesn’t take precedence over other severe mental illness. Most of the other moms who murdered their kids are imprisoned. Just do a little research and you’ll see.

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Anonymous wrote:How sad to have a life, a pretty nice life it seems, and for it to vanish in a blink. I feel so terrible for the grandparents and extended family and friends too. How tragic the whole thing. So many lives destroyed.

I feel bad for her, too.

I feel bad for Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

We truly lack understanding of severe mental illness.

Weird response.
We hold others accountable when they do bad things and are mentally ill. Why would she be the exception?

I have been saying this from the beginning, was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally stable? Ted Bundy? What about most of the school shooters, were they all stable mentally? No, as a matter of fact many of them were also on psych meds, like Lindsay, but we crucified these young mentally ill kids. How about all the other potentially mentally ill mothers who killed their kids who are now serving life sentences in general pop prisons? What about them? We gotta stop with the #iamlindsay crap, no, no you are not. Like school shootings, we’re going to end up with copycat crimes thanks to the media coverage and the misplaced empathy. If we as a society have never related to, or empathized with murderers, even mentally ill ones, we aren’t going to start now. Hell no.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who embalmed and disemboweled people and hid them in his freezer. He had a long history of asocial and frightening behavior. This woman was a highly esteemed labor nurse with no criminal record. Postpartum psychosis is real.

She murdered a baby. The fact that you’re holding her up as “but she’s not as bad as Dahmer!” would be laughable if it weren’t so disgusting.

I'm sorry, but PPD is not "disgusting." It's a devastating diagnosis and worlds away from Dahmer.

DP. Strangling a defenseless infant with an exercise band is disgusting. Full stop.

Of course it is. But if you have PPD and are in psychosis, you aren't aware of what you're doing is the point.

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Anonymous wrote:How sad to have a life, a pretty nice life it seems, and for it to vanish in a blink. I feel so terrible for the grandparents and extended family and friends too. How tragic the whole thing. So many lives destroyed.

I feel bad for her, too.

I feel bad for Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

We truly lack understanding of severe mental illness.

Weird response.
We hold others accountable when they do bad things and are mentally ill. Why would she be the exception?

I have been saying this from the beginning, was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally stable? Ted Bundy? What about most of the school shooters, were they all stable mentally? No, as a matter of fact many of them were also on psych meds, like Lindsay, but we crucified these young mentally ill kids. How about all the other potentially mentally ill mothers who killed their kids who are now serving life sentences in general pop prisons? What about them? We gotta stop with the #iamlindsay crap, no, no you are not. Like school shootings, we’re going to end up with copycat crimes thanks to the media coverage and the misplaced empathy. If we as a society have never related to, or empathized with murderers, even mentally ill ones, we aren’t going to start now. Hell no.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who embalmed and disemboweled people and hid them in his freezer. He had a long history of asocial and frightening behavior. This woman was a highly esteemed labor nurse with no criminal record. Postpartum psychosis is real.

She murdered a baby. The fact that you’re holding her up as “but she’s not as bad as Dahmer!” would be laughable if it weren’t so disgusting.

I'm sorry, but PPD is not "disgusting." It's a devastating diagnosis and worlds away from Dahmer.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if it was pre-meditated, couldn't her lawyers argue that the medications she was on contributed to irrational thinking? It's similar to when someone plans to kill themselves. They plan out the act and carry it out--it doesn't mean this was intentional. They were experiencing a psychotic episode that resulted in irrational thinking that led to suicide. This is a heartbreaking case. I do not think this woman intended to kill her children. If you took away the PPD and medications she was on, she would not have planned this murder.

You can say that for any murder…if you take away xyz they wouldn’t commit the murder.

Exactly. There is a series on Netflix called “I am a Killer” and a common theme of these killers was unimaginable childhood abuse, mental illness, and subsequent drug addiction. They are all serving their life sentences in jail. If she gets off a lot of old cases will need to be re-opened and tried.

Anonymous wrote:A few other mothers who killed their children in the last few months. The Lindsay Clancy case will maybe highlight this issue.

Erin Merdy

Molly Cheng

Melissa Towne

Jellisa Baxter

Dimone Flemming

Launice Battle

Kari Lynn Beck

Tara Brook

Leticia Marie Pecina

Leilani Simon

Cynthia Enyeart

Glenda Agee

Lynn Egar

Angela Dawn Flores

Sonia Loja

Paulesha Alma Green-Pulliam

Janee Pedesclaux

Nicole Jackson

Shemene Cato

Ashley Palmer

Brittney Brady

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Anonymous wrote:Even if it was pre-meditated, couldn't her lawyers argue that the medications she was on contributed to irrational thinking? It's similar to when someone plans to kill themselves. They plan out the act and carry it out--it doesn't mean this was intentional. They were experiencing a psychotic episode that resulted in irrational thinking that led to suicide. This is a heartbreaking case. I do not think this woman intended to kill her children. If you took away the PPD and medications she was on, she would not have planned this murder.

So now anyone on a few psych drugs isn’t responsible for their actions? Do you hear yourself?

No, but we're talking about someone who had PPD. The woman was suffering from a disease. It robbed her of her decisionmaking. And she wasn't on a few drugs--she was on 13.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if it was pre-meditated, couldn't her lawyers argue that the medications she was on contributed to irrational thinking? It's similar to when someone plans to kill themselves. They plan out the act and carry it out--it doesn't mean this was intentional. They were experiencing a psychotic episode that resulted in irrational thinking that led to suicide. This is a heartbreaking case. I do not think this woman intended to kill her children. If you took away the PPD and medications she was on, she would not have planned this murder.

So now anyone on a few psych drugs isn’t responsible for their actions? Do you hear yourself?

No, but we're talking about someone who had PPD. The woman was suffering from a disease. It robbed her of her decisionmaking. And she wasn't on a few drugs--she was on 13.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if it was pre-meditated, couldn't her lawyers argue that the medications she was on contributed to irrational thinking? It's similar to when someone plans to kill themselves. They plan out the act and carry it out--it doesn't mean this was intentional. They were experiencing a psychotic episode that resulted in irrational thinking that led to suicide. This is a heartbreaking case. I do not think this woman intended to kill her children. If you took away the PPD and medications she was on, she would not have planned this murder.

So now anyone on a few psych drugs isn’t responsible for their actions? Do you hear yourself?

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering why everyone feels so comfortable speculating here. The truth is, nobody on DCUM knows what her mental state was.
Let's wait for the facts regarding insanity (or not) to come out before jumping to conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:How sad to have a life, a pretty nice life it seems, and for it to vanish in a blink. I feel so terrible for the grandparents and extended family and friends too. How tragic the whole thing. So many lives destroyed.

I feel bad for her, too.

I feel bad for Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

We truly lack understanding of severe mental illness.

Weird response.
We hold others accountable when they do bad things and are mentally ill. Why would she be the exception?

I have been saying this from the beginning, was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally stable? Ted Bundy? What about most of the school shooters, were they all stable mentally? No, as a matter of fact many of them were also on psych meds, like Lindsay, but we crucified these young mentally ill kids. How about all the other potentially mentally ill mothers who killed their kids who are now serving life sentences in general pop prisons? What about them? We gotta stop with the #iamlindsay crap, no, no you are not. Like school shootings, we’re going to end up with copycat crimes thanks to the media coverage and the misplaced empathy. If we as a society have never related to, or empathized with murderers, even mentally ill ones, we aren’t going to start now. Hell no.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who embalmed and disemboweled people and hid them in his freezer. He had a long history of asocial and frightening behavior. This woman was a highly esteemed labor nurse with no criminal record. Postpartum psychosis is real.

She murdered a baby. The fact that you’re holding her up as “but she’s not as bad as Dahmer!” would be laughable if it weren’t so disgusting.

I'm sorry, but PPD is not "disgusting." It's a devastating diagnosis and worlds away from Dahmer.

DP. Strangling a defenseless infant with an exercise band is disgusting. Full stop.

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering why everyone feels so comfortable speculating here. The truth is, nobody on DCUM knows what her mental state was.
Let's wait for the facts regarding insanity (or not) to come out before jumping to conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:So now we know she intentionally plotted and planned to kill the kids.
It wasn't psychosis. Let that be a lesson learned to not really around someone so quickly just because they fit your image of ideal.
So why?
I'd put money on their being marital problems.

She probably found out her husband was cheating or planning to leave and this was her vengeance.
Picture perfect relationship it wasn't
It's happened before.

When I read posts like this I automatically hear it in Keith Morrison's voice and assume you watch too much Dateline.

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Anonymous wrote:How sad to have a life, a pretty nice life it seems, and for it to vanish in a blink. I feel so terrible for the grandparents and extended family and friends too. How tragic the whole thing. So many lives destroyed.

I feel bad for her, too.

I feel bad for Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

We truly lack understanding of severe mental illness.

Weird response.
We hold others accountable when they do bad things and are mentally ill. Why would she be the exception?

I have been saying this from the beginning, was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally stable? Ted Bundy? What about most of the school shooters, were they all stable mentally? No, as a matter of fact many of them were also on psych meds, like Lindsay, but we crucified these young mentally ill kids. How about all the other potentially mentally ill mothers who killed their kids who are now serving life sentences in general pop prisons? What about them? We gotta stop with the #iamlindsay crap, no, no you are not. Like school shootings, we’re going to end up with copycat crimes thanks to the media coverage and the misplaced empathy. If we as a society have never related to, or empathized with murderers, even mentally ill ones, we aren’t going to start now. Hell no.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who embalmed and disemboweled people and hid them in his freezer. He had a long history of asocial and frightening behavior. This woman was a highly esteemed labor nurse with no criminal record. Postpartum psychosis is real.

She murdered a baby. The fact that you’re holding her up as “but she’s not as bad as Dahmer!” would be laughable if it weren’t so disgusting.

I'm sorry, but PPD is not "disgusting." It's a devastating diagnosis and worlds away from Dahmer.

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Anonymous wrote:There was the Ortega / Krim case with the nanny murdering the children. She used being mentally ill as a defense but was unsuccessful and sentenced to life in prison.

This story has gotten a lot of press but a quick google search led to me finding lots of other stories just from the past year of mothers murdering their children - variety of circumstances but with quite a few being mental health related. I was surprised that one phrase being searched brought up about 10 recent cases. You would think this one is in the news because it is so rare but it isn't that rare. Most of them had made national news. According to FBI stats there are ~ 500 deaths a year in the USA of children killed by their parents. 72% of the deaths are children under 6. Of the 500, 57% are killed by fathers and 43% killed by their mothers.

With Ortega, the prosecution had a really good narrative about why she killed those two kids. That case gutted me. There’s not a convincing motive in this case - yet.

I personally believe that even more infants are killed by their parents than reported because the deaths are attributed to SIDS when in reality the parent either intended to kill the baby or engaged in unsafe sleeping habits.

A lot of the children murdered by their parents suffered long term abuse prior to the murder and the parent just went too far. If the autopsies here show unhealed injuries consistent with child abuse, Lindsay Clancy is done. But I suspect these kids were not abused.

I think that is a big part of why this case has gotten so much national attention vs. other filicide cases. Sadly there are kids killed by their parents way too often. But generally there are warning signs so to speak. Drug addiction, history of domestic violence, custody disputes, parents are unmarried or there is a step parent/boyfriend involved, an affair comes to light, or there were hidden financial problems, etc.

Obviously we don’t know all the facts yet, it is entirely possible more will come to light. But by all accounts so far, these children were not in a high risk demographic to be murdered by their mother. It is highly unusual to go from never so much as hitting your child to horrifically strangling your children (a very aggressive/personal way to kill). She didn’t even just drive a car off the cliff in a moment of anger. She killed them one by one, over minutes each.

Every case of child abuse/murder breaks my heart. But this one is hard to even conceptualize because there seem to be no aggravating factors to lead up to this.

I think there were aggravating factors leading up to it but she kept a lot of her rage and thoughts in her head because that’s what a umc woman does. On Reddit, people found a bunch of her old FB posts. There’s one where she describes her middle son as “the most difficult person she ever met.” And the rest of the post was restrained seething. It was polite but it was obvious she was miserable and resented this poor child.

I don’t understand why such people have kids. She had a career and her own life. There’s no excuse for having kids only to cruelly snuff them out later.