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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??


https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
https://datausa.io/profile/university/yale-university
https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges? You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?

Why do you assume that non-whites and non-Asians don’t work hard? Is it because of your biased and racist beliefs?

No because it looks some people are demanding free seats.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

That is true but...

6% of harvard is black
so 6% of 2000 is 120, that means that 120/6000 are accepted ... that means 2% of black applicant are accepted.

LOL, how is this even part of a lawsuit.

Do you have the other numbers

Why do you assume 100% matriculation? Harvard itself says that the yield is lower than other races

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/04/blacks-make-up-18-percent-of-admitted-students-at-harvard-university/

Well that is true, so are acceptance rates high because matriculation is so low? Complicated.

DP It IS complicated. That’s one of the things that’s unfortunate about reducing admission to test scores. What’s even more complicated is that it’s falsely assuming that test scores universally correlate positively with success in college.

1. it's not reducing it to test scores. It's reducing the applications to the same categories that Harvard did and then realizing that the most subjective category is where Asian American applicants were getting docked and then digging deeper and realizing that those same applicants were doing well on the verifiable components of that category (i.e. great alumni scores) . 2. GPA + Test scores absolutely correlates positively with success in college (defined as first year GPA and second year persistence).

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

That is true but...

6% of harvard is black
so 6% of 2000 is 120, that means that 120/6000 are accepted ... that means 2% of black applicant are accepted.

LOL, how is this even part of a lawsuit.

Do you have the other numbers

Why do you assume 100% matriculation? Harvard itself says that the yield is lower than other races

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/04/blacks-make-up-18-percent-of-admitted-students-at-harvard-university/

Well that is true, so are acceptance rates high because matriculation is so low? Complicated.

DP It IS complicated. That’s one of the things that’s unfortunate about reducing admission to test scores. What’s even more complicated is that it’s falsely assuming that test scores universally correlate positively with success in college.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

Only if you're using quotas

Why do you think that having the same types of information for each category of interest — in order to make and accurately understand comparisons between those categories is meaningful “only if you’re using quotas”?

The admission percentage can be skewed if there are very few applicants, but once you get past that point, the only reason that one group would have demonstrably higher rates of admission is if the school is trying to balance the class and the admissions team had quotas that they knew they had to hit. As of today, it's totally legal to want a diverse class and apply different admissions standards to get there, but it will likely be illegal when this decision issues.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

Only if you're using quotas

Why do you think that having the same types of information for each category of interest — in order to make and accurately understand comparisons between those categories is meaningful “only if you’re using quotas”?

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

That is true but...

6% of harvard is black
so 6% of 2000 is 120, that means that 120/6000 are accepted ... that means 2% of black applicant are accepted.

LOL, how is this even part of a lawsuit.

Do you have the other numbers

Why do you assume 100% matriculation? Harvard itself says that the yield is lower than other races

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/04/blacks-make-up-18-percent-of-admitted-students-at-harvard-university/

Well that is true, so are acceptance rates high because matriculation is so low? Complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

Thank you SO much for explaining this so clearly. While I think some comments in this thread have been willfully obtuse, I hope that your explanation will provide lightbulb moments for people who genuinely want to understand the statistics and what they might actually mean.

Thanks for your positive feedback… I actually thought oh wait maybe people don’t understand the math, let me explain it.

I think it would also be interesting to see the rankings of the kids that GOT accepted vs those that didnt WITHIN the individual race groups. Would Asian Americans still be pissed if an Asian kid who scored lower than their kid got in? Or is it just when they "LOSE" a spot to an unqualified black person?

Keep in mind that this suit is — or at least may be — less about Asian Americans being “pissed” and more about groups like “Students for Fair Admissions” pushing an anti- affirmative action agenda while encouraging members of minority groups to fight amongst themselves.
“Fairness” sounds great — but I’m quite suspicious of the motives of those whose concerns about “fairness” only popped up as members of minority groups finally began to gain access to resources like high quality higher education.

It's about turning asian americans towards the right.

FFS, some of you just don't get it. Your ideology and need to put everything into binary thought (right/left, black/white, etc.) is not productive. The majority of the people in this country focus on issues that have an impact on their family. Next time have a little respect and capitalize Asian Americans.

Im not the PP but my viewpoint isnt binary. My viewpoint is that if you say Asian Americans are being discriminated against for race because they score better than their non-Asian counterparts I am interested to see whether only the top X% of Asian Americans are accepted and how that might change the viewpoint of us vs them. I 100% do not believe that only the best rated Asian Americans got accepted. It seems to me that no one seems to be willing to consider that there are underqualified (their terms not mine) Asian Americans who got accepted when compared to other Asian American accepted students. What seems to be inferred is that Asians score the best and therefore, only other students who score more than them should get accepted. You are actually re-emphasizing the model minority myth.
There is no discussion of legacy, athletics, etc. because in theory, those contribute something else to the campus like money or prestige, etc. I guess?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??


https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
https://datausa.io/profile/university/yale-university
https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges? You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?

Many people study and work hard and get into elite schools.

Then other people get mad, take their SAT score and create lawsuits to say those people did not belong in an elite college based solely on their SAT score.

Why do these people assume they should get the seat instead?

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Sour grapes

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

That is true but...

6% of harvard is black
so 6% of 2000 is 120, that means that 120/6000 are accepted ... that means 2% of black applicant are accepted.

LOL, how is this even part of a lawsuit.

Do you have the other numbers

Why do you assume 100% matriculation? Harvard itself says that the yield is lower than other races

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/04/blacks-make-up-18-percent-of-admitted-students-at-harvard-university/

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??


https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
https://datausa.io/profile/university/yale-university
https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges? You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?

Why do you assume that non-whites and non-Asians don’t work hard? Is it because of your biased and racist beliefs?

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

That is true but...

6% of harvard is black
so 6% of 2000 is 120, that means that 120/6000 are accepted ... that means 2% of black applicant are accepted.

LOL, how is this even part of a lawsuit.

Do you have the other numbers

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??


https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
https://datausa.io/profile/university/yale-university
https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges? You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?

How do you know that others are not studying and working hard? And why do you get to tell a private institution how to design their admission standards?

No one is entitled to admission to Harvard. They pick you, not the other way around. Get over yourself and your entitlements.

Amen

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??


https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
https://datausa.io/profile/university/yale-university
https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges? You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?

Many people study and work hard and get into elite schools.

Then other people get mad, take their SAT score and create lawsuits to say those people did not belong in an elite college based solely on their SAT score.

Why do these people assume they should get the seat instead?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??


https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
https://datausa.io/profile/university/yale-university
https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges? You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?

How do you know that others are not studying and working hard? And why do you get to tell a private institution how to design their admission standards?

No one is entitled to admission to Harvard. They pick you, not the other way around. Get over yourself and your entitlements.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF slavery has to do with admission to colleges for kids born in the 21st century.

I know you wouldn't know. Enjoy your ignorance.

Yea right some kids born in 2005 should be sacrificed for your kids because of slavery.

Racial policies in college admission have nothing to do with slavery, reparations or guilt.

Racial policies in college admissions exist so colleges can build the classes THEY WANT based on criteria THEY SELECT. End period.

Which they are free to do with any criteria as long as they don't break the law. And yes that means they can take an athlete with lower SAT scores, or a talented singer, or a civic leader, or the son of a donor, or yes, someone of an under-represented race.

Don't take my word for it. Ask one college administrator, then another. Just f-king ask them why they have the policy. They'll tell you, in detail. But you won't ask them, because you don't want the answer.

All races benefit from this policy where they are under-represented. This includes asians at top LACs and whites at Howard. You people don't know what you are talking about. You don't understand and you don't want to. You just want to talk about the lucky minorities and how they are oppressing you. It is pathetic.

These points remain mostly ignored because they do not comport with embraced narratives.

Asians don't want free points at any school.
They just want fair and square competition.

Clearly your definition of "fair and square" competition does not align with the standards Harvard uses. Are Harvard's standards unfair because they don't give you the outcome you desire?

Harvard standard is unfair because it discriminates based on race.
Do I have to tell you this after 70 some pages?

70 pages later I have yet to see the evidence of discrimination.

As any statistician will tell you, %s can be deceiving.

What is the breakdown/number of applicants? What is the breakdown/number of admittees?

+1 without raw numbers the chart is meaningless.

If 40000 White people applied and only 1000 AA that’s meaningful , if it’s opposite well that would be wild

Why does it matter? Is it ok to subject applicants to different standard based on race if few applicants of a certain race apply?

Yes it matters. 60000 applicants, if 59000 are white and 1 is other and the 1 is accepted they have 100% acceptance rate vs 3% acceptance … looks pretty bad and if that 1 is not accepted it’s looks like 0% acceptance.

They only take 2000 people so % not accepted will be large if the # applied is high.

So if it's hypothetically far more skewed than it actually is, then the numbers matter in your hypothetical. Great

No. You need the numbers, the % is literally meaningless.

As long as the numbers are large enough, you don't need specifics. In this case, Harvard gets about 6,000 black applicants a year

And that’s only meaningful if you ALSO know how many applicants Harvard gets in the other categories.

Only if you're using quotas