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Anonymous

08/18/2022 23:10 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

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I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

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It makes them feel superior.

In a sense, not only does judging people make people feel superior, but it makes them feel safe. “I’m make smart choices, I’m never going to lose control of my body.” It’s a way to create a sense of safety about something that terrifies them. It’s the same compulsion that drives people to judge and blame rape victims. If someone is sure that they’re never going to do that, if remaining thing is an easy equation, it will never happen to them.

As a rape victim, i could not disagree with your analogy more. Two completely and utterly different things. Or is someone forcing people to eat? and forceably preventing them from moving?

It’s okay to say that you don’t understand the analogy.

Anonymous

08/18/2022 20:06 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

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I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

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It makes them feel superior.

In a sense, not only does judging people make people feel superior, but it makes them feel safe. “I’m make smart choices, I’m never going to lose control of my body.” It’s a way to create a sense of safety about something that terrifies them. It’s the same compulsion that drives people to judge and blame rape victims. If someone is sure that they’re never going to do that, if remaining thing is an easy equation, it will never happen to them.

Well said.

Anonymous

08/18/2022 20:03 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

+1
I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

+1
It makes them feel superior.

In a sense, not only does judging people make people feel superior, but it makes them feel safe. “I’m make smart choices, I’m never going to lose control of my body.” It’s a way to create a sense of safety about something that terrifies them. It’s the same compulsion that drives people to judge and blame rape victims. If someone is sure that they’re never going to do that, if remaining thing is an easy equation, it will never happen to them.

As a rape victim, i could not disagree with your analogy more. Two completely and utterly different things. Or is someone forcing people to eat? and forceably preventing them from moving?

Anonymous

08/18/2022 17:21 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

...you know that medical weight loss programs often have to re-feed obese people - that is, increase their calorie intake - in order for them to be able to lose weight, right? where does that fit in to your hypothesis?

YES. Until you can post research that shows instances where people remain obese while on controlled food intake, that is the cause of obesity. I refuse to deny the facts of basic material reality.

Now, if there are drugs which help people combat obsessive thinking, brain fogs and help them feel full faster, then I fully support and acknowledge these can help many people.

What research are you relying on? Is there research showing that diets requiring controlled food intake result in long term and permanent weight loss?

Yes, exactly these. As soon as individuals do not have controlled food intake, they will gain the weight back.

I’m glad that we agree on this point.

Anonymous

08/16/2022 15:38 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

+1
I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

+1
It makes them feel superior.

In a sense, not only does judging people make people feel superior, but it makes them feel safe. “I’m make smart choices, I’m never going to lose control of my body.” It’s a way to create a sense of safety about something that terrifies them. It’s the same compulsion that drives people to judge and blame rape victims. If someone is sure that they’re never going to do that, if remaining thing is an easy equation, it will never happen to them.

Anonymous

08/15/2022 12:23 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

+1
I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

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It makes them feel superior.

This is the victim stance of the obese showing. It's not our fault, and you think you're better than us because you're thin. That's bs and a distraction from the task.

You aren’t doing a lot to dispel the impression that the “willpower” crowd is shockingly and deliberately ignorant.

I said nothing about will power.

You didn’t have to.

Because you're so rigid in your assumptions. Yeah, I get that.

Anonymous

08/15/2022 10:30 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

+1
I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

+1
It makes them feel superior.

This is the victim stance of the obese showing. It's not our fault, and you think you're better than us because you're thin. That's bs and a distraction from the task.

You aren’t doing a lot to dispel the impression that the “willpower” crowd is shockingly and deliberately ignorant.

I said nothing about will power.

You didn’t have to.

Anonymous

08/15/2022 09:58 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

+1
I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

+1
It makes them feel superior.

This is the victim stance of the obese showing. It's not our fault, and you think you're better than us because you're thin. That's bs and a distraction from the task.

You aren’t doing a lot to dispel the impression that the “willpower” crowd is shockingly and deliberately ignorant.

I said nothing about will power.

Anonymous

08/15/2022 09:16 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

+1
I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

+1
It makes them feel superior.

This is the victim stance of the obese showing. It's not our fault, and you think you're better than us because you're thin. That's bs and a distraction from the task.

You aren’t doing a lot to dispel the impression that the “willpower” crowd is shockingly and deliberately ignorant.

Anonymous

08/15/2022 08:51 Subject: Re:Everything you know about obesity is wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - the reasons people are fat varies and have been discussed here. At the end of the day - it is about your own decision making.

There are real ramifications to an obese nation - increased health care costs and the next Covid is for certain coming soon. So what to do? I do think making fat the near norm is not helpful to anyone.

Really, that's your takeaway?

+1
I swear to god. I think a large portion of the DCUM readers have a specific illiteracy in this subject matter.

there are obese people with myopia, who do not want to attribute any responsibility to themselves for that obesity. They want to blame it on someone else - a parent and an upbringing and say in the face of education that it can't help them. This is not because it can't help them, but because they don't want to make the change. It's like an addiction.

I’m fit with a healthy BMI and I think the “it’s just willpower” DCUM posters are incredibly, bizarrely ignorant. It’s like they want to remain ignorant because they prefer being judgmental to being educated.

+1
It makes them feel superior.

This is the victim stance of the obese showing. It's not our fault, and you think you're better than us because you're thin. That's bs and a distraction from the task.