Anonymous
Post 05/20/2023 17:12     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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You people need to learn the 24 hour rule when news like this breaks.



Hmmmm why do you suppose that Iger hated it?


And, why do you suppose there were "relocation" issues? Most of the staff didn't want to relocate to Florida.


Anonymous
Post 05/20/2023 01:05     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like other states (e.g., TX, CO, OK) in the middle of America would get on the Disney bandwagon quickly.

Specifically, it would be like when cities try to woo NFL teams to move.

A nice new park in central TX could attract many people who cannot make it to CA or FL as often as they like. I know people will start to scream about TX politics; however, Austin and San Antonio are great places, and they should be able to work something out with the Mouse.


Texas just too crazy to a whole new level


"The sweeping legislation — authored by state Rep. Dustin Burrows, a Lubbock Republican — would bar cities and counties from issuing local ordinances that go further than what’s already allowed under broad sections of state law, including labor, agriculture, natural resources and finance.
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The bill is so broadly written that no one knows exactly how much it would ultimately limit local governments’ power to make rules. Opponents say the bill’s reach would likely be determined in the courts as businesses contest ordinances they dislike, one at a time. Meanwhile, they fear, local leaders would be powerless to respond to problems in their backyard — and left at the mercy of an uncaring Republican-dominated Legislature. Democrats predicted that lawmakers would be back in two years to try to rein in unintended consequences of the law."

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/15/texas-legislature-local-control/

There is a private enforcement mechanism that provides to attorneys fees.

+1 The problem with blue cities in a red state is that the city still has to abide by state laws, and of course, same applies to red city in blue state.


Except there are no red cities in blue states. I’m not sure if there are any red cities anywhere, at least not big cities.

The DeSantis-endorsed Republican candidate running for mayor of Jacksonville just lost in a huge upset. That was by far the biggest city run by a Republican. Now I think Omaha is the biggest and it’s not very big.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 22:15     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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You people need to learn the 24 hour rule when news like this breaks.



Hmmmm why do you suppose that Iger hated it?


And, why do you suppose there were "relocation" issues? Most of the staff didn't want to relocate to Florida.


But DCUM said that Californians were flocking to Florida and Texas. Everybody wanted to live in Florida for the cost of living and sunshine.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 18:43     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems like other states (e.g., TX, CO, OK) in the middle of America would get on the Disney bandwagon quickly.

Specifically, it would be like when cities try to woo NFL teams to move.

A nice new park in central TX could attract many people who cannot make it to CA or FL as often as they like. I know people will start to scream about TX politics; however, Austin and San Antonio are great places, and they should be able to work something out with the Mouse.


Texas just too crazy to a whole new level


"The sweeping legislation — authored by state Rep. Dustin Burrows, a Lubbock Republican — would bar cities and counties from issuing local ordinances that go further than what’s already allowed under broad sections of state law, including labor, agriculture, natural resources and finance.
...
The bill is so broadly written that no one knows exactly how much it would ultimately limit local governments’ power to make rules. Opponents say the bill’s reach would likely be determined in the courts as businesses contest ordinances they dislike, one at a time. Meanwhile, they fear, local leaders would be powerless to respond to problems in their backyard — and left at the mercy of an uncaring Republican-dominated Legislature. Democrats predicted that lawmakers would be back in two years to try to rein in unintended consequences of the law."

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/15/texas-legislature-local-control/

There is a private enforcement mechanism that provides to attorneys fees.

+1 The problem with blue cities in a red state is that the city still has to abide by state laws, and of course, same applies to red city in blue state.


Except there are no red cities in blue states. I’m not sure if there are any red cities anywhere, at least not big cities.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 16:51     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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Anonymous wrote:People are awfully gleeful about wanting cheap labor.


Cheap labor is the foundation of the American way of life. Imagine if we were forced to pay inflation-adjusted 1950s prices for labor, food, and clothing, on 2020s scanty wages. People these days don’t have the hands on knowledge on how to fix houses and cars that precious generations had. (You can’t even fix most cars at home these days due to the technology).

So many Americans are already living paycheck to paycheck and relying dangerously on credit. For years cheap labor is what kept them feeling “middle class” by ensuring they had the basics for life. People are going to have to make some tough choices because their personal wage gains are not going to come anywhere close to the added costs they will face in almost every sector of the economy.


You have missed something really fundamental about economics, and that's labor productivity.

The reason we don't pay inflation adjusted prices for food is automation. It only requires 1/10th the amount of workers to produce the same food today as it did in the 1950s. 2 farmers operating a combine can do the job of dozens of manual laborers. Also our yield per acre has gone up do to technology.

Productivity gains have lowered the cost of products across the manufacturing industry. Tech has improved the productivity of office workers, of service workers.

Yes, cheap labor does play a part, but productivity gains is the bigger factor.




Labor productivity absolutely pays a part, but people have also gotten used to labor prices being cheap for the labor that is required on a per unit basis. There is no question that quadrupling the wage of every beef factory worker or strawberry picker is going to result in higher prices for those items. Anything that requires labor and isn’t susceptible to automation (which is a lot even now) is going to cost more. Companies aren’t going to eat all those costs.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 16:47     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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Anonymous wrote:With the new immigration law in Florida, I expect construction costs are going to skyrocket very soon. Not a bad decision from Disney, and it makes DeSantis look like a dope.


They already have…if you can find anyone to do the work. Roofing contractors are scheduling for 2 years out. Sorry if you have a leaky roof..


Good for the roofers and the tradesmen. Maybe the insane pay will get more women and marginal students out of garbage retail or low-paid medical jobs and into the trades. Question is whether they will be able to afford anything with their higher wages, since the cost of everything else is likely to go through the roof as well…


Clearly you have never put on a roof. A roofer here in Virginia makes $20/hr and it's hard work. Messes up your calves, nail guns are the #1 cause of jobsite injuries, and there is a substantial risk of a fall injury, and those are hard to come back from.


Yes, and with no cheap labor to compete, they’ll be making double or more than that in no time. With market power, they will be able to set their own schedules and demand better conditions. Maybe even unionize!

Homeowners will of course pay for it, but they voted for it. It feels good to be anti-immigrant right until it hits you in the pocket.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 16:12     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:People are awfully gleeful about wanting cheap labor.

tell that to the largely R business owners who hire cheap laborers.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 16:11     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems like other states (e.g., TX, CO, OK) in the middle of America would get on the Disney bandwagon quickly.

Specifically, it would be like when cities try to woo NFL teams to move.

A nice new park in central TX could attract many people who cannot make it to CA or FL as often as they like. I know people will start to scream about TX politics; however, Austin and San Antonio are great places, and they should be able to work something out with the Mouse.


Texas just too crazy to a whole new level


"The sweeping legislation — authored by state Rep. Dustin Burrows, a Lubbock Republican — would bar cities and counties from issuing local ordinances that go further than what’s already allowed under broad sections of state law, including labor, agriculture, natural resources and finance.
...
The bill is so broadly written that no one knows exactly how much it would ultimately limit local governments’ power to make rules. Opponents say the bill’s reach would likely be determined in the courts as businesses contest ordinances they dislike, one at a time. Meanwhile, they fear, local leaders would be powerless to respond to problems in their backyard — and left at the mercy of an uncaring Republican-dominated Legislature. Democrats predicted that lawmakers would be back in two years to try to rein in unintended consequences of the law."

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/15/texas-legislature-local-control/

There is a private enforcement mechanism that provides to attorneys fees.

+1 The problem with blue cities in a red state is that the city still has to abide by state laws, and of course, same applies to red city in blue state.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:45     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:It seems like other states (e.g., TX, CO, OK) in the middle of America would get on the Disney bandwagon quickly.

Specifically, it would be like when cities try to woo NFL teams to move.

A nice new park in central TX could attract many people who cannot make it to CA or FL as often as they like. I know people will start to scream about TX politics; however, Austin and San Antonio are great places, and they should be able to work something out with the Mouse.


Texas just too crazy to a whole new level


"The sweeping legislation — authored by state Rep. Dustin Burrows, a Lubbock Republican — would bar cities and counties from issuing local ordinances that go further than what’s already allowed under broad sections of state law, including labor, agriculture, natural resources and finance.
...
The bill is so broadly written that no one knows exactly how much it would ultimately limit local governments’ power to make rules. Opponents say the bill’s reach would likely be determined in the courts as businesses contest ordinances they dislike, one at a time. Meanwhile, they fear, local leaders would be powerless to respond to problems in their backyard — and left at the mercy of an uncaring Republican-dominated Legislature. Democrats predicted that lawmakers would be back in two years to try to rein in unintended consequences of the law."

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/15/texas-legislature-local-control/

There is a private enforcement mechanism that provides to attorneys fees.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:41     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:It seems like other states (e.g., TX, CO, OK) in the middle of America would get on the Disney bandwagon quickly.

Specifically, it would be like when cities try to woo NFL teams to move.

A nice new park in central TX could attract many people who cannot make it to CA or FL as often as they like. I know people will start to scream about TX politics; however, Austin and San Antonio are great places, and they should be able to work something out with the Mouse.


Austin and San Antonio are still in Texas, and Texas is run with people that wish that were DeSantis (well, maybe DeSantis from a few months ago).
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:38     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With the new immigration law in Florida, I expect construction costs are going to skyrocket very soon. Not a bad decision from Disney, and it makes DeSantis look like a dope.


They already have…if you can find anyone to do the work. Roofing contractors are scheduling for 2 years out. Sorry if you have a leaky roof..


Good for the roofers and the tradesmen. Maybe the insane pay will get more women and marginal students out of garbage retail or low-paid medical jobs and into the trades. Question is whether they will be able to afford anything with their higher wages, since the cost of everything else is likely to go through the roof as well…


It's not good for anyone. Roofers and tradesmen are already booked way in advance, with more work than they can handle. Do you think making customers wait months to get repairs makes anyone happy? Sure, raise prices - and see how happy that makes people, too.



I thought republicans believed in the free market. If you want faster service, offer more money
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:37     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With the new immigration law in Florida, I expect construction costs are going to skyrocket very soon. Not a bad decision from Disney, and it makes DeSantis look like a dope.


They already have…if you can find anyone to do the work. Roofing contractors are scheduling for 2 years out. Sorry if you have a leaky roof..


Good for the roofers and the tradesmen. Maybe the insane pay will get more women and marginal students out of garbage retail or low-paid medical jobs and into the trades. Question is whether they will be able to afford anything with their higher wages, since the cost of everything else is likely to go through the roof as well…


Clearly you have never put on a roof. A roofer here in Virginia makes $20/hr and it's hard work. Messes up your calves, nail guns are the #1 cause of jobsite injuries, and there is a substantial risk of a fall injury, and those are hard to come back from.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:35     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

It seems like other states (e.g., TX, CO, OK) in the middle of America would get on the Disney bandwagon quickly.

Specifically, it would be like when cities try to woo NFL teams to move.

A nice new park in central TX could attract many people who cannot make it to CA or FL as often as they like. I know people will start to scream about TX politics; however, Austin and San Antonio are great places, and they should be able to work something out with the Mouse.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:33     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People are awfully gleeful about wanting cheap labor.


Cheap labor is the foundation of the American way of life. Imagine if we were forced to pay inflation-adjusted 1950s prices for labor, food, and clothing, on 2020s scanty wages. People these days don’t have the hands on knowledge on how to fix houses and cars that precious generations had. (You can’t even fix most cars at home these days due to the technology).

So many Americans are already living paycheck to paycheck and relying dangerously on credit. For years cheap labor is what kept them feeling “middle class” by ensuring they had the basics for life. People are going to have to make some tough choices because their personal wage gains are not going to come anywhere close to the added costs they will face in almost every sector of the economy.


You have missed something really fundamental about economics, and that's labor productivity.

The reason we don't pay inflation adjusted prices for food is automation. It only requires 1/10th the amount of workers to produce the same food today as it did in the 1950s. 2 farmers operating a combine can do the job of dozens of manual laborers. Also our yield per acre has gone up do to technology.

Productivity gains have lowered the cost of products across the manufacturing industry. Tech has improved the productivity of office workers, of service workers.

Yes, cheap labor does play a part, but productivity gains is the bigger factor.


Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:17     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With the new immigration law in Florida, I expect construction costs are going to skyrocket very soon. Not a bad decision from Disney, and it makes DeSantis look like a dope.


They already have…if you can find anyone to do the work. Roofing contractors are scheduling for 2 years out. Sorry if you have a leaky roof..


Good for the roofers and the tradesmen. Maybe the insane pay will get more women and marginal students out of garbage retail or low-paid medical jobs and into the trades. Question is whether they will be able to afford anything with their higher wages, since the cost of everything else is likely to go through the roof as well…


It's not good for anyone. Roofers and tradesmen are already booked way in advance, with more work than they can handle. Do you think making customers wait months to get repairs makes anyone happy? Sure, raise prices - and see how happy that makes people, too.