Forcing a woman or girl to remain pregnant against her will, before fetal viability, is a violation of her basic human rights. It's so simple-- coercing someone to incubate another life to the point of viability, and for me, the moral gray area, is monstrous-- all we have to look at is "what would it take to enforce these laws?" to know that we would have trample a woman's most basic rights to freedom and autonomy.

Anonymous wrote:Gov. Jon Bel Roberts in Louisiana is a Democrat governor and said he will sign a heartbeat bill.

WTF. Apparently his daughter has spina bifida and instead of aborting, he and his wife kept the girl.

The Edwards' family is admirable for their decision to give their daughter life. But I am deeply disturbed by his presumption that every woman/family has the means AND capabilities to care for a child with severe mental and physical impairments. For every successful Samantha Edwards, there are many with severe disabilities living in abject poverty and suffering abuse.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/samantha-edwards-john-bel-edwards-abortion/

Disgusting POS.

Childhood trauma can result from instability, incompetence or lack of love. Most children are at risk.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of the pro-birthers were unwanted by their own parents. Might explain their irrational behavior over a clump of cells.

THIS. It's a reaction to childhood trauma related to fear of abandonment and abuse.

Gov. Jon Bel Roberts in Louisiana is a Democrat governor and said he will sign a heartbeat bill.

WTF. Apparently his daughter has spina bifida and instead of aborting, he and his wife kept the girl.

The Edwards' family is admirable for their decision to give their daughter life. But I am deeply disturbed by his presumption that every woman/family has the means AND capabilities to care for a child with severe mental and physical impairments. For every successful Samantha Edwards, there are many with severe disabilities living in abject poverty and suffering abuse.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/samantha-edwards-john-bel-edwards-abortion/

I wonder how many of the pro-birthers were unwanted by their own parents. Might explain their irrational behavior over a clump of cells.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t argue with a prolife crowd anymore. I just smile and tell them , darling , we will always be able to afford a weekend trip to wherever it is legal, so please know whatever silly rules you’ll pass will only apply to the poor anyway. Carry right on, won’t affect my daughter one bit.

very cavalier approach you have to a very serious matter

Better this than letting other idiots decide what we should do.

Yeah, they should only decide for the poors. [/s]

Ideally they should decide for no one. But damn it's nice to tell them that our money will make their silly laws irrelevant for our family.

It's really too bad this is only available to the comfortable.

If this was really about anything other than controlling women and was really about saving a full person, as a human race we'd have funerals for miscarriages, massive research into why 25% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion and how to save those innocent lives. Major efforts to prevent trisomies, and serious monitoring of uteruses during early gestation to see why large swaths of pregnancies are lost. We'd treat this like the polio epidemic if humans really believed an embryo was equivalent to a four year old.

If you believe this is murder, then you have to accept that every second of the day uteruses all across the world are committing manslaughter on a massive level. Some scientists posit that it's not just the embryo itself that fails in a miscarriage, but there are indications that the womb is aware of abnormalities and creates more hostile circumstances to force the pregnancy to end.

Despite extreme factions in this country now starting to pass absurd legislation, such as burials of both aborted and miscarried embryos, globally you will never live to see the day where most humans see a pregnancy ending at 7-8 weeks as a tragic loss of life. I have had three miscarriages and mourned them all, but it was due to the potential lost, not an actual life lived. It's an order of magnitude different from a parent who has lost a young child. The number one refrain we hear after having one is "when can you try again?". I'm sure many pro-lifers have uttered those words to someone. Would you ever say that to a parent who just lost their ten year old to cancer?

Good post. And it's not just globally that you'll never see the day where most humans have funerals for miscarriages, it's here too. Most people here do not see this as a human life lost. The Republicans are out of touch with the majority of people.

If this was really about anything other than controlling women and was really about saving a full person, as a human race we'd have funerals for miscarriages, massive research into why 25% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion and how to save those innocent lives. Major efforts to prevent trisomies, and serious monitoring of uteruses during early gestation to see why large swaths of pregnancies are lost. We'd treat this like the polio epidemic if humans really believed an embryo was equivalent to a four year old.

If you believe this is murder, then you have to accept that every second of the day uteruses all across the world are committing manslaughter on a massive level. Some scientists posit that it's not just the embryo itself that fails in a miscarriage, but there are indications that the womb is aware of abnormalities and creates more hostile circumstances to force the pregnancy to end.

Despite extreme factions in this country now starting to pass absurd legislation, such as burials of both aborted and miscarried embryos, globally you will never live to see the day where most humans see a pregnancy ending at 7-8 weeks as a tragic loss of life. I have had three miscarriages and mourned them all, but it was due to the potential lost, not an actual life lived. It's an order of magnitude different from a parent who has lost a young child. The number one refrain we hear after having one is "when can you try again?". I'm sure many pro-lifers have uttered those words to someone. Would you ever say that to a parent who just lost their ten year old to cancer?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t argue with a prolife crowd anymore. I just smile and tell them , darling , we will always be able to afford a weekend trip to wherever it is legal, so please know whatever silly rules you’ll pass will only apply to the poor anyway. Carry right on, won’t affect my daughter one bit.

very cavalier approach you have to a very serious matter

Better this than letting other idiots decide what we should do.

Yeah, they should only decide for the poors. [/s]

Well to be fair, that ship has sailed. For decades now it has been almost impossible for low income women, especially those not living near urban centers in blue states, to get abortions. This has been the prolife plan forever - there was a quote that went around in the early internet days about how prolifers would be happy with a world where abortion was perfectly legal but no one could ever get one.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t argue with a prolife crowd anymore. I just smile and tell them , darling , we will always be able to afford a weekend trip to wherever it is legal, so please know whatever silly rules you’ll pass will only apply to the poor anyway. Carry right on, won’t affect my daughter one bit.

very cavalier approach you have to a very serious matter

Better this than letting other idiots decide what we should do.

Yeah, they should only decide for the poors. [/s]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t argue with a prolife crowd anymore. I just smile and tell them , darling , we will always be able to afford a weekend trip to wherever it is legal, so please know whatever silly rules you’ll pass will only apply to the poor anyway. Carry right on, won’t affect my daughter one bit.

very cavalier approach you have to a very serious matter

Better this than letting other idiots decide what we should do.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t argue with a prolife crowd anymore. I just smile and tell them , darling , we will always be able to afford a weekend trip to wherever it is legal, so please know whatever silly rules you’ll pass will only apply to the poor anyway. Carry right on, won’t affect my daughter one bit.

very cavalier approach you have to a very serious matter

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/us/politics/supreme-court-abortion-indiana.html

Sign that the SC will likely not rule on Roe.

Let’s hope. Who would have thought W was actually saving us when he nominated Roberts?

IMHO, George Bush has not been given due credit for many of his good decisions and appointments.

Roberts is a good justice. I actually feel good with him at the head.

+1 pp here. I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t argue with a prolife crowd anymore. I just smile and tell them , darling , we will always be able to afford a weekend trip to wherever it is legal, so please know whatever silly rules you’ll pass will only apply to the poor anyway. Carry right on, won’t affect my daughter one bit.

I wouldn't be so sanguine. With a fetal personhood law, the father could file for an injunction forbidding you from leaving the state.

And in case you think I'm making that up, look what used to happen in Ireland: https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/18/world/girl-14-raped-and-pregnant-is-caught-in-web-of-irish-law.html