Anonymous
06/21/2023 23:08
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Billionaires climb into a tin can that has no launching power, controlled with a dysfunctional gaming device and get lost. I'm sorry but that's a fool's errand and completely unsurprising result.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:50
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My gosh how quickly you forget. SpaceX had a ton of failures with Falcon 9, but they persevered through failed land and water landings as late as June 2016 and now they are regularly carrying satellites, cargo and people to space.
More people have been to space than the bottom of the oceans. I applaud pioneers like Stockton Rush for innovating.
So many are quoting an ex employee and his lawsuit from FIVE years ago as gospel to what Titan is today. His claim of the PortHole only being certified to 1400M is the only source of countless news articles. His claim from a five year old lawsuit from an ex employee doesn’t make it true.
I hope they are floating somewhere on the surface.
You would be surprised just how much “off the shelf” hardware is inside the Dragon capsule. So stop slamming it as you just sound silly.
I saw someone putting down the unpainted rusted construction steel pipes used as ballast they could release to go the surface as some example of shoddy engineering. Do you honestly think steel to be left at the bottom of the ocean needs to be all shiny painted and pretty?
This is not the same thing as space X. I am no Elon musk fan but space X doesn’t operate in a way that is a blatant risk to human life. Neither does NASA or many other organizations that focus on exploration.
Read the Challenger report sometime to see how wrong this statement truly is.
No, it's not comparable at all. You're not credible if you write things like this.
You are truly delusional to respond like this which proves you have no basis in reality and you have never read the report.
There was also a documentary. Challenger had major issues.
So did Mercury! Heck Apollo had a major major design flaw that killed 3 astronauts on the launchpad.
Multiple layers or engineers warned the NASA brass about Challenger. You should also look into what the brass kept from the astronauts aboard Columbia about the foam strike.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:45
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My dad was a Cold War submariner. He the knew the Navy officer who took the Trieste down to the deepest part of the Pacific at 37,779 feet. The capability to rescue something like this from that depth(Titantic)does not exist. Very sad.
Wow, that’s amazing. I learned about the Trieste in an engineering course - it was cited as an example of overdesign for safety - apparently they designed the hull with a larger than normal safety margin. Just amazing that they accomplished that dive so long ago. Thanks for sharing.
The submersible in this case was *supposed* to have a safety margin of 2.5, meaning it was stronger than necessary by a factor of 2.5. It made many past trips, including to the Titanic.
HOWEVER:
- when the carbon fiber hull arrived from the specialized manufacturing contractor, the owner expected it to be about 7” thick. Instead it was just 5” thick. Also,
- since before WW 1, subs have been made of steel, and sub engineers understand it’s underwater properties well, based on a century of experience. But this sub was made of carbon fiber (essentially reinforced plastic, or rather, really strong fiberglass), and titanium / aluminum alloy.
They were working somewhat in the dark here. Engineers can make “predictions,” but sometimes the real world doesn’t match up.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:42
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
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There was also a documentary. Challenger had major issues.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My gosh how quickly you forget. SpaceX had a ton of failures with Falcon 9, but they persevered through failed land and water landings as late as June 2016 and now they are regularly carrying satellites, cargo and people to space.
More people have been to space than the bottom of the oceans. I applaud pioneers like Stockton Rush for innovating.
So many are quoting an ex employee and his lawsuit from FIVE years ago as gospel to what Titan is today. His claim of the PortHole only being certified to 1400M is the only source of countless news articles. His claim from a five year old lawsuit from an ex employee doesn’t make it true.
I hope they are floating somewhere on the surface.
You would be surprised just how much “off the shelf” hardware is inside the Dragon capsule. So stop slamming it as you just sound silly.
I saw someone putting down the unpainted rusted construction steel pipes used as ballast they could release to go the surface as some example of shoddy engineering. Do you honestly think steel to be left at the bottom of the ocean needs to be all shiny painted and pretty?
This is not the same thing as space X. I am no Elon musk fan but space X doesn’t operate in a way that is a blatant risk to human life. Neither does NASA or many other organizations that focus on exploration.
Read the Challenger report sometime to see how wrong this statement truly is.
No, it's not comparable at all. You're not credible if you write things like this.
You are truly delusional to respond like this which proves you have no basis in reality and you have never read the report.
There was also a documentary. Challenger had major issues.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:41
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My gosh how quickly you forget. SpaceX had a ton of failures with Falcon 9, but they persevered through failed land and water landings as late as June 2016 and now they are regularly carrying satellites, cargo and people to space.
More people have been to space than the bottom of the oceans. I applaud pioneers like Stockton Rush for innovating.
So many are quoting an ex employee and his lawsuit from FIVE years ago as gospel to what Titan is today. His claim of the PortHole only being certified to 1400M is the only source of countless news articles. His claim from a five year old lawsuit from an ex employee doesn’t make it true.
I hope they are floating somewhere on the surface.
You would be surprised just how much “off the shelf” hardware is inside the Dragon capsule. So stop slamming it as you just sound silly.
I saw someone putting down the unpainted rusted construction steel pipes used as ballast they could release to go the surface as some example of shoddy engineering. Do you honestly think steel to be left at the bottom of the ocean needs to be all shiny painted and pretty?
This is not the same thing as space X. I am no Elon musk fan but space X doesn’t operate in a way that is a blatant risk to human life. Neither does NASA or many other organizations that focus on exploration.
Read the Challenger report sometime to see how wrong this statement truly is.
No, it's not comparable at all. You're not credible if you write things like this.
You are truly delusional to respond like this which proves you have no basis in reality and you have never read the report.
OK. I know you're not serious. Go to bed.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:40
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:My gosh how quickly you forget. SpaceX had a ton of failures with Falcon 9, but they persevered through failed land and water landings as late as June 2016 and now they are regularly carrying satellites, cargo and people to space.
More people have been to space than the bottom of the oceans. I applaud pioneers like Stockton Rush for innovating.
So many are quoting an ex employee and his lawsuit from FIVE years ago as gospel to what Titan is today. His claim of the PortHole only being certified to 1400M is the only source of countless news articles. His claim from a five year old lawsuit from an ex employee doesn’t make it true.
I hope they are floating somewhere on the surface.
You would be surprised just how much “off the shelf” hardware is inside the Dragon capsule. So stop slamming it as you just sound silly.
I saw someone putting down the unpainted rusted construction steel pipes used as ballast they could release to go the surface as some example of shoddy engineering. Do you honestly think steel to be left at the bottom of the ocean needs to be all shiny painted and pretty?
You're confusing everything. Every NASA and space capsules was created with emergencies in mind, with redundancies built into systems. Sometimes those systems fail spectacularly, but at least there are multiple teams who think about contingencies. The reason people are criticzing Titan is that it appears to have been slapped together by a very small team, without regard for safety procedures and without protocols that are supposed to be implemented on most submarine vessels.
I bet this sad incident will trigger more regulations on deep-sea exploration.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:35
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My gosh how quickly you forget. SpaceX had a ton of failures with Falcon 9, but they persevered through failed land and water landings as late as June 2016 and now they are regularly carrying satellites, cargo and people to space.
More people have been to space than the bottom of the oceans. I applaud pioneers like Stockton Rush for innovating.
So many are quoting an ex employee and his lawsuit from FIVE years ago as gospel to what Titan is today. His claim of the PortHole only being certified to 1400M is the only source of countless news articles. His claim from a five year old lawsuit from an ex employee doesn’t make it true.
I hope they are floating somewhere on the surface.
You would be surprised just how much “off the shelf” hardware is inside the Dragon capsule. So stop slamming it as you just sound silly.
I saw someone putting down the unpainted rusted construction steel pipes used as ballast they could release to go the surface as some example of shoddy engineering. Do you honestly think steel to be left at the bottom of the ocean needs to be all shiny painted and pretty?
This is not the same thing as space X. I am no Elon musk fan but space X doesn’t operate in a way that is a blatant risk to human life. Neither does NASA or many other organizations that focus on exploration.
Read the Challenger report sometime to see how wrong this statement truly is.
No, it's not comparable at all. You're not credible if you write things like this.
You are truly delusional to respond like this which proves you have no basis in reality and you have never read the report.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:33
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:My dad was a Cold War submariner. He the knew the Navy officer who took the Trieste down to the deepest part of the Pacific at 37,779 feet. The capability to rescue something like this from that depth(Titantic)does not exist. Very sad.
Wow, that’s amazing. I learned about the Trieste in an engineering course - it was cited as an example of overdesign for safety - apparently they designed the hull with a larger than normal safety margin. Just amazing that they accomplished that dive so long ago. Thanks for sharing.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:32
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:My gosh how quickly you forget. SpaceX had a ton of failures with Falcon 9, but they persevered through failed land and water landings as late as June 2016 and now they are regularly carrying satellites, cargo and people to space.
More people have been to space than the bottom of the oceans. I applaud pioneers like Stockton Rush for innovating.
So many are quoting an ex employee and his lawsuit from FIVE years ago as gospel to what Titan is today. His claim of the PortHole only being certified to 1400M is the only source of countless news articles. His claim from a five year old lawsuit from an ex employee doesn’t make it true.
I hope they are floating somewhere on the surface.
You would be surprised just how much “off the shelf” hardware is inside the Dragon capsule. So stop slamming it as you just sound silly.
I saw someone putting down the unpainted rusted construction steel pipes used as ballast they could release to go the surface as some example of shoddy engineering. Do you honestly think steel to be left at the bottom of the ocean needs to be all shiny painted and pretty?
I know nothing about the ocean where they are but read a comment elsewhere that the swells would be significant. Not light bobbing, but likely intense seasickness-inducing waves with occupants getting tossed about and no way for them to strap themselves in/hold on. Just awful any way you slice it.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:27
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Chilean mine rescue was way more fun that this. And it had a happy ending.
I don't remember that, but remember the Thai cave rescue of that soccer team?
Ah, that soccer team cave rescue. Cute kids, Elon sending a sub, then him getting into a spat with that rescuer... and they all survived. One of the boys passed away recently, though.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:21
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Yes, remember in the movie, the divers are using robots to film and that's how the necklace was recovered?
They didn’t recover the necklace. She had it the whole time.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:20
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the vessel will actually ever be found? It's a literal needle in a huge haystack.
It's a FIGURATIVE needle in a haystack. A literal needle in a haystack would be a needle in a haystack.
I love this post. I literally laughed out loud.
It’s the PROVERBIAL needle in a haystack.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:19
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My gosh how quickly you forget. SpaceX had a ton of failures with Falcon 9, but they persevered through failed land and water landings as late as June 2016 and now they are regularly carrying satellites, cargo and people to space.
More people have been to space than the bottom of the oceans. I applaud pioneers like Stockton Rush for innovating.
So many are quoting an ex employee and his lawsuit from FIVE years ago as gospel to what Titan is today. His claim of the PortHole only being certified to 1400M is the only source of countless news articles. His claim from a five year old lawsuit from an ex employee doesn’t make it true.
I hope they are floating somewhere on the surface.
You would be surprised just how much “off the shelf” hardware is inside the Dragon capsule. So stop slamming it as you just sound silly.
I saw someone putting down the unpainted rusted construction steel pipes used as ballast they could release to go the surface as some example of shoddy engineering. Do you honestly think steel to be left at the bottom of the ocean needs to be all shiny painted and pretty?
This is not the same thing as space X. I am no Elon musk fan but space X doesn’t operate in a way that is a blatant risk to human life. Neither does NASA or many other organizations that focus on exploration.
Read the Challenger report sometime to see how wrong this statement truly is.
No, it's not comparable at all. You're not credible if you write things like this.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:07
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the vessel will actually ever be found? It's a literal needle in a huge haystack.
It's a FIGURATIVE needle in a haystack. A literal needle in a haystack would be a needle in a haystack.
I love this post. I literally laughed out loud.
Anonymous
06/21/2023 22:05
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:May I ask a dumb question?
We have pics of the Titanic wreck, so clearly someone has been down there before? How did they live to tell the tale?
I think the first to take photos was an unmanned sub. But there have been manned subs, like Alvin, which is a spherical sub made out of titanium. The lost titan is different because it’s a tourist sub, not made by a huge research institution like Wood’s hole like Alvin.
Makes sense. Thank you.
Yes, remember in the movie, the divers are using robots to film and that's how the necklace was recovered?
Wait... some of the footage in the Titanic is real footage? Wait, what?
The very beginning of the movie was set in what was present day (when the movie was filmed). It featured these modern day treasure hunters using unmanned submersible cameras to search the ocean floor for valuables from the Titanic’s wreckage, specifically the necklace that Rose had, that they thought went down with the ship. The footage of the wreckage on the ocean floor was real footage of the Titanic.