Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 22:32     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:I am always wary of going in the wilderness or jogging in a lonely park. We pretty much keep to a lovely pedestrian path near a calm road in our neighborhood. Even in the state parks I like to keep to paved areas and places where there are many people. I have bumped into some really weird people in MoCo parks and I don't like to go anywhere without some stuff for self-defense. You always hear of women dying in such areas.


I’m a woman and have done a lot of solo hiking. Long hikes too. I had several safety plans in place.

But one time I was a handful of miles from a trailhead on a not very busy trail and I came upon a man with a chain saw. No joke. I was petrified. Turns out he was from the “Friends of” group for that trail and was there to cut up a fallen tree and clear it from the trail. He was a nice guy and we chatted for a bit. But I was a lot more skittish about hiking on my own after that. I mean seriously, a chainsaw? In the middle of the woods? Can’t make it up.

Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 22:25     Subject: What happened to this California family?
No toxicology will be available for weeks. I'd think an autopsy would have revealed suffocation. Could have been poison.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 22:23     Subject: What happened to this California family?
I just went white water rafting and camping on the Tuolomame River, just miles from the Merced. Our guides have rafted on both rivers.

They said you can NOT drink the water. NEVER. One of my teens got a mouthful of water, and everyone was alarmed. And let's just say that our guides were not alarmists.

I think they filled their bottles with bad water. Also, the heat is difficult out there, with no shade. 110 degrees all day until the sun sets over the hills.

Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 22:23     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:The drank the water in the lake and something in the water killed them. That's the only explanation for why the dog died too.


No the dad poisoned the canteen water.

I cannot imagine a parent giving their baby lake water, or educated parents drinking lake water 1.5 miles from their house, but that doesn’t mean the dad poisoned them. There could have been something in the water at home that they drank. It will be scary if there is some airborne gas that killed them. It is odd to take a baby on a hike on a day that hot, though.


Agree. I don't understand that part.


I don't think people hiking with babies is that odd. People put babies in carriers and go on hikes or picnics, especially in a pandemic that's about all you can do.


The temperature was 109 that day. That's pretty hot for a baby, even for a toddler if the baby was born at the beginning of the pandemic.


But that was the heat of the afternoon. Could have been 30 degrees cooler in the morning. The reports don’t say when they left for the hike, just how hot it got that day. They were close to home - maybe they’d planned a short morning hike before lunch and baby’s nap. We just don’t know.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 22:16     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:The Dad was older, 46, techie who only settled down with his pretty non-techie wife recently. That is squarely in the burning man demographic, and I wonder if they were into recreational drugs and took a bad batch or misidentified wild mushrooms? I mean, no judgement if they do.

More sinister interpretation, he was a 40+ old man set in his way, got hooked into marriage and baby by a pretty young woman, and wanted out after a year stuck with them. As a high paid tech employee married to a social sciences grad student, he was looking at crippling child support and alimony. His carefree rich life was over no matter what he did. I don’t think it’s that, but he is old for a 1st time dad.


The drugs theory doesn't explain the baby and dog being dead.


Well assuming the parents succumbed, the baby would have soon died and if the dog was leashed he may not have been able to get away and also died of thirst/heat.

Did the time of death show they all died within moments of one another? Is it that precise?
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 22:04     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The Dad was older, 46, techie who only settled down with his pretty non-techie wife recently. That is squarely in the burning man demographic, and I wonder if they were into recreational drugs and took a bad batch or misidentified wild mushrooms? I mean, no judgement if they do.

More sinister interpretation, he was a 40+ old man set in his way, got hooked into marriage and baby by a pretty young woman, and wanted out after a year stuck with them. As a high paid tech employee married to a social sciences grad student, he was looking at crippling child support and alimony. His carefree rich life was over no matter what he did. I don’t think it’s that, but he is old for a 1st time dad.


The drugs theory doesn't explain the baby and dog being dead.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:39     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:I think the only two plausible explanations are a large release of CO or CO2 nearby, or poisoning.


If it is a release of gas, wild animals would have died.


This reminded me of the Bogle-Chandler case, which is theorized to have been caused by hydrogen sulfide gas from a low-lying body of water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogle–Chandler_case).


Holy crap! Just read this, incredible! story!
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:39     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
I am always wary of going in the wilderness or jogging in a lonely park. We pretty much keep to a lovely pedestrian path near a calm road in our neighborhood. Even in the state parks I like to keep to paved areas and places where there are many people. I have bumped into some really weird people in MoCo parks and I don't like to go anywhere without some stuff for self-defense. You always hear of women dying in such areas.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:36     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Could they have used something to clean the camelbak or mold was growing in it and filled it unknowingly and then they sipped away as they hiked? Giving some to the dog and baby?

Dad and baby walked ahead and sat down as they got woozy. Then mom made her way down and it kicked in before she reached them?

I know I’m reaching...

Hard to explain the simultaneous death of all of them.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:33     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Heat.


All at once? All of them?

I wonder if there's some feature of the geography that might concentrate the heat there. Otherwise heat doesn't make sense.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:20     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Heat.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:20     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:obviously murder-suicide.


There were no marks on the bodies and no wounds. They'd just bought a new AirBnB property as well.

So exactly how would you suggest this murder-suicide happened?


I mean, it’s Occam’s Razor. Toxicology reports will shown the husband poisoned the wife with something in the water, then the baby, dog, and himself.


I think this also. They went out for a hike very very remote with dog baby and wife. And all sitting together dead. Just too many questions of why were they there in the first place.


They were only 1.5 miles from the trailhead, and their house is nearby. Not all that remote…they probably hiked the area frequently, given how close they lived.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:16     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:obviously murder-suicide.


There were no marks on the bodies and no wounds. They'd just bought a new AirBnB property as well.

So exactly how would you suggest this murder-suicide happened?


I mean, it’s Occam’s Razor. Toxicology reports will shown the husband poisoned the wife with something in the water, then the baby, dog, and himself.


I think this also. They went out for a hike very very remote with dog baby and wife. And all sitting together dead. Just too many questions of why were they there in the first place.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:08     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The drank the water in the lake and something in the water killed them. That's the only explanation for why the dog died too.


They weren't novice hikers. I don't buy this. Everyone knows not to drink from a lake.
Anonymous
Post 08/23/2021 21:02     Subject: What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous wrote:I think the only two plausible explanations are a large release of CO or CO2 nearby, or poisoning.


If it is a release of gas, wild animals would have died.


This reminded me of the Bogle-Chandler case, which is theorized to have been caused by hydrogen sulfide gas from a low-lying body of water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogle–Chandler_case).


I think you may be onto something. It's possible the toxic sludge from fires in CA created that gas. The link above mentioned massive fish kills. I just read recently about massive salmon die offs in Northern CA. There were more fish than usual, due to more sediments that ran into the river from fires, but now most of the fish have died off.