Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:48     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ban Guns!!!



Sure! Why not? Screw the Constitution!!!!


The Constitution says a well-organized militia has the right to bear arms. It doesn't say that everyone is entitled to his own 9mm semiautomatic. These weapons didn't even exist then, and if they did, I am certain the founding fathers would not have enshrined ownership of such as an inalienable right above all others in the Constitution. I'd be for banning all handguns, and allowing private citizens to possess only shotguns. Professionals understand that shotguns are better than handguns for home protection anyway. And you'd have the ability to hunt your dinner. Done. No further discussion required.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:43     Subject: Shooting outside Nats Park
Link to lawsuit between DC and DCHA for that neighborhood here: violations of drug, firearms and prostitution related nuisance abatement

https://oag.dc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/DCHA-Complaint.pdf

But hey, they’re getting a new building, should all be good.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:41     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Boarded up with a notice of a hearing” likely means the property is being converted to a new use — not that it's abandoned.



Don’t miss the forest for the trees.

Go drive down there, or are you too scared to see it for yourself?


OMG, just stop.

The current property is boarded up because a big, shiny new building is proposed for the site:

https://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/more-details-and-maybe-livework-units-for-proposed-south-capitol-street-dev/17117



And what’s a big shiny new building going to do about the crime problems on that block, on N, on Half, etc? That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works.

DC recently sued DCHA over the drug, prostitution and firearm crime problems right there on those streets, and that the housing authority had failed to abate the problems. Think a shiny, new big building is the answer? This is a thread about the Nats game shooting that occurred right there on S Capitol. And you’re hyper focused on whether a few empty buildings are abandoned vs boarded up vs being redeveloped? How does that prevent another shooting, when in all likelihood the people involved live or are connected to the neighborhood/streets behind the shiny building?

Maybe you’re just being purposefully dense, but honestly you’re part of the bigger problem. Seriously.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:38     Subject: Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:

You people are absolutely ridiculous. Point being, why didn't they tell people there what was happening? COMMUNICATION. Silly me, when you hear gun shots, and you don't know if they are in or out of the stadium, you'd like to know!

"Drive by involving two cars outside the park. Remain calm, remain in place, and we will keep you informed." Easy. But no, they had to freak everyone out by corralling the players and ignoring the fans - half of whom were leaving DURING the shooting (Nats were down by 3 at the top of the 6th) - the other half were either screaming or hiding under their seats.

If that is entertaining to you, I wish this situation on you and your family, see how you like it.

If we have to be subjected to this crap, regardless of politics (take it to the politics board) - then at least know how to handle a crises involving tens of thousands of people in your ball park.

I will be seeing baseball in other cities from now on. If nothing else, your PR team and damage control sucks.


It took a few minutes to find out what was going on. It wasn’t a scheduled shooting. How are they supposed to know what to tell you faster than you panic? Duck & cover & wait for instructions like every school kid in America has been trained to do. As soon as they knew, they told people that the incident was outside so stay inside the stadium. Then when they knew there was no threat, they sent people home through exits that did not interfere with the police investigation.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:32     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Boarded up with a notice of a hearing” likely means the property is being converted to a new use — not that it's abandoned.



Don’t miss the forest for the trees.

Go drive down there, or are you too scared to see it for yourself?


OMG, just stop.

The current property is boarded up because a big, shiny new building is proposed for the site:

https://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/more-details-and-maybe-livework-units-for-proposed-south-capitol-street-dev/17117

Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:30     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Go drive down there, or are you too scared to see it for yourself?


I was just down there on July 4. What are you yammering about?


July 4th eh?

Wow, quite the urbanite you are!
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:29     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:Ban Guns!!!





Great idea! It worked so well for booze during prohibition! And it’s working so well for recreational drugs now!

Banning guns is definitely the solution, based on the proven track record of other banned substances!

It’ll be wayyyyyyyyyyy easier to get a gun after they’re banned. So please, ban them! I’ve always wanted a machinegun!
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:24     Subject: Shooting outside Nats Park
I parked in that lot for Friday’s game for the first (and last) time. To exit you can’t get back on S Capitol but go down an alley and then are forced to take a left on N because it’s one way. There were two men passed out, laying in the alley that we checked to make sure were breathing and called 911. We drove by a huge fight further down N and what looked like 2 drug deals down Half street.

There are boarded up row houses there with trash all over the place. So it sounds like they’re going to tear them down and build townhomes and apartments there. Well, you aren’t displacing people because what they’re tearing down is vacant. The same people dealing drugs, overdosing, shooting people still will be living there.

Right behind this block that is getting the development is James Creek, a section 8 housing development run by the DV Housing Authority for extremely low income levels (as defined by HUD). Want to fix crime? Building expensive, fancy townhomes adjacent to James Creek isn’t waving a magic wand and poof problem solved. And there is no way in he!! I would ever live there. Ever.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:23     Subject: Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

You people are absolutely ridiculous. Point being, why didn't they tell people there what was happening? COMMUNICATION. Silly me, when you hear gun shots, and you don't know if they are in or out of the stadium, you'd like to know!

"Drive by involving two cars outside the park. Remain calm, remain in place, and we will keep you informed." Easy. But no, they had to freak everyone out by corralling the players and ignoring the fans - half of whom were leaving DURING the shooting (Nats were down by 3 at the top of the 6th) - the other half were either screaming or hiding under their seats.

If that is entertaining to you, I wish this situation on you and your family, see how you like it.

If we have to be subjected to this crap, regardless of politics (take it to the politics board) - then at least know how to handle a crises involving tens of thousands of people in your ball park.

I will be seeing baseball in other cities from now on. If nothing else, your PR team and damage control sucks.


Who said it’s entertaining? They made an announcement after five minutes. What exactly are you expecting?


It was not five minutes, certainly not to people hidden under the seats.


I was there, and I’m calling BS on the “five minutes” thing. We hard the noise, the players were rounded up and went into the dugout, we sat and discussed whether it might be a rain delay, I looked up and saw people across the park running, discussed the fact with the people around us that that really sounded like gunfire, we walked up the stairs (slowly, because there were people in front of us, so that alone took a few minutes), got to the concourse, stood there and discussed what to do, saw the gate attendants, who were energetically waving us outside, went outside, ran across the street and into a restaurant. They had the game on tv, and we had been there a while when they asked everyone to stay in the stadium. If you look at the video, the stadium was mostly empty at that point.

I was well aware at the time that, with zero knowledge of what was happening, there was no “right” answer. It was all luck. We could be running straight into the gunfire. I did know that staying out in the open in a stadium was a really bad idea. Someone with a rifle and a scope could start picking people off easily. I’d take my chances in the concourse where there was some cover. Remember the Las Vegas concert? We left there because stadium personnel told us to.

I don’t necessarily blame the Nats, but I am surprised that they didn’t react more quickly. They have security with radios everywhere. They were able to relay the message to get the players off the field. They clearly weren’t prepared to tell the fans what is happening. This is something they should have been prepared for and drill with their workers. My workplace does — we are prepared for “shelter in place” or “evacuate.”


+1

YES! Other PP here. There is no excuse for the workers to have not been trained at all, and to basically not GAF, and make it so obvious they just don't GAF.

I have been to concerts at Nats Stadium, with a line well AROUND the building, with the ticket takers allowing no more in than ONE at a time, while the concert ($$$$) starts.

Zero. Effs. Given. About the fans. There needs to be better training, these people aren't doing fans/customers any favors.

Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:16     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:Ban Guns!!!



Yes. I’m sure every firearm involved was (1) lawfully purchased; (2) lawfully registered; (3) lawfully carried with a duly issued permit; and (4) lawfully possessed by a person not prohibited from firearms.

Because if any of those things weren’t true, the firearms in question were already “banned.”
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:14     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:

Go drive down there, or are you too scared to see it for yourself?


I was just down there on July 4. What are you yammering about?
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:14     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:“Boarded up with a notice of a hearing” likely means the property is being converted to a new use — not that it's abandoned.



Don’t miss the forest for the trees.

Go drive down there, or are you too scared to see it for yourself?
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:14     Subject: Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:

Here's what's proposed for 1319 South Capitol Street, right by where you parked: https://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/more-details-and-maybe-livework-units-for-proposed-south-capitol-street-dev/17117

And here's what's proposed for where the 7-11 currently is: https://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/371-units-office-and-retail-proposed-to-replace-the-south-capitol-street-7-/16991



I didn't realize they finally developed a proposal to develop the NW corner of M and S Capitol. Thank God. Hopefully they won't replace the 7-11, which is a magnet for the dregs of the neighborhood.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:10     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Anonymous wrote:Ban Guns!!!



Sure! Why not? Screw the Constitution!!!!
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2021 13:07     Subject: Re:Shooting outside Nats Park
Ban Guns!!!