Anonymous
10/06/2021 19:39
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Why does your rec sports league have segregated sports teams? That’s gross.
Segregated? What a bizarre assumption. All are welcome to those teams should you find them. But like other teams, they’ll take only the kids who are good, regardless of race/nationality. We’ve played many all white teams. Does that mean they are a segregated team?
There are definitely quite a few segregated teams in this area. It's disgusting.
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Anonymous
10/06/2021 19:37
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Why does your rec sports league have segregated sports teams? That’s gross.
Segregated? What a bizarre assumption. All are welcome to those teams should you find them. But like other teams, they’ll take only the kids who are good, regardless of race/nationality. We’ve played many all white teams. Does that mean they are a segregated team?
There are definitely quite a few segregated teams in this area. It's disgusting.
I'm disgusted by it. There needs to be regulation imposed to reign in this abhorrent behavior. The sooner we address the elephant in the room (pun intended) and rid the world of those that do this stuff, the better off we're gonna be.
Anonymous
10/06/2021 18:39
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Why does your rec sports league have segregated sports teams? That’s gross.
Segregated? What a bizarre assumption. All are welcome to those teams should you find them. But like other teams, they’ll take only the kids who are good, regardless of race/nationality. We’ve played many all white teams. Does that mean they are a segregated team?
There are definitely quite a few segregated teams in this area. It's disgusting.
Quite a few in the NBA too.
Anonymous
10/06/2021 18:15
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Why does your rec sports league have segregated sports teams? That’s gross.
Segregated? What a bizarre assumption. All are welcome to those teams should you find them. But like other teams, they’ll take only the kids who are good, regardless of race/nationality. We’ve played many all white teams. Does that mean they are a segregated team?
There are definitely quite a few segregated teams in this area. It's disgusting.
Anonymous
10/06/2021 17:09
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Why does your rec sports league have segregated sports teams? That’s gross.
Segregated? What a bizarre assumption. All are welcome to those teams should you find them. But like other teams, they’ll take only the kids who are good, regardless of race/nationality. We’ve played many all white teams. Does that mean they are a segregated team?
Anonymous
10/06/2021 15:53
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Why does your rec sports league have segregated sports teams? That’s gross.
Anonymous
10/06/2021 15:17
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:
Also, I am pretty sure the numbers are overall down in soccer from 5-10 years ago and there are more clubs. I think the premise of the OP is off. There are definitely a lot fewer kids at tryouts than when my oldest tried out--like cut in half or more.
You are reinforcing what the OP said. Because the number trying out is down, it is supereasy to make a travel team, and the quality is down.
Anonymous
10/06/2021 15:11
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:The number of kids who have any real use for a travel program is pretty small. It's not going to be a big percentage of soccer players who end up starting on their high school teams, let alone go on to play college. Most of them can get competition at their level in rec teams locally. /quote]
The problem with this is you have kids who might be new at soccer signing up for rec, and now they have travel level kids on their team and will feel intimidated.
Anonymous
10/06/2021 15:10
Subject: Re:Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:fees here, who keep costs down (for instance, foregoing the Capelli uniform nonsense).
How much are uniforms that they affect the cost much?
Anonymous
10/06/2021 15:04
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote: Loudoun Soccer is in a similar position and all of their in-county ‘competitors’ (FCV, Barca, VRSC, Leesburg) have to resort to paying to use the same private soccer park (Evergreen).
I know of at least one club in Loudoun that has more players than some you listed, and they are not playing at Evergreen but instead various schools in Loudoun. From what I've seen their travel teams can't really compete with Loudoun though.
Anonymous
10/06/2021 05:07
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op, totally agree! One of my kids is on the highest non-travel team (we only have one travel team at each age) and the club is considering going to two.
She’s going into 4th grade. There’s no chance I’d put her on a travel team and spend the money to send her to Dallas/Denver/LA/or North Carolina for a week twice a year.
Who is putting elementary schoolers on a plane twice a year to play soccer?
Pp here. Our 2011s just came back from Dallas. Of course last March and last fall’s events were canceled. Our 2010s went to Denver in June.
What were the events?
Anonymous
10/06/2021 05:03
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:"Club soccer" and "Travel soccer" don't have to be the same thing. Club soccer means you pay more and (generally) get better coaching (i.e. paid coaches). For the most part, you could play club soccer and not have a ton of travel. Play CCL or NCSL and don't go to tournaments.
If there were a market for it, a club could pitch one of their teams as such -- paid, professional coaching without a ton of travel (just your local league games). Outside of the top levels (ECNL, GA, etc) it's the voluntary tournaments that create so much travel.
This is what you're referring to, it does need a parent to step up though.
https://www.pwsi.org/classicinfo
Anonymous
10/05/2021 16:37
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Yes but you are often stuck with a few short fat kids that couldn’t play dead in a cowboy movie. But yes you are right you see them play but never hear anything about the leagues or how to join.
Anonymous
10/05/2021 16:19
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Serving the players at the lower incomes is difficult when all the higher income customers are siphoned off to the expensive clubs. I really don't see this changing unless the college coaches resist and refuse to recruit from leagues that only serve higher income players.
Whole different environment, I'm sure, but in my area of the Midwest, I've seen the (mostly) white rec teams just get dominated by the Latino teams in the community. The Latino families tend to not be as wealthy and/or spend their money on travel. So, they have more talent. Plus their coaches generally know the game better than the coaches on the non-Latino rec teams. And, the kids spend way more time watching and playing soccer in their free time.
This is actually true in this area as well. Lots of smaller clubs of mostly Latino families and kids. They are considerably cheaper and tend to only have one team at each age group. They don’t advertise either, most join by word of mouth or through some connection. But they have solid teams and are competitive against bigger clubs.
Anonymous
07/22/2021 10:30
Subject: Travel teams now 4-5 teams deep? Is this for real?
No. We are in northern va and either you play in your own organization (like there are ten CYA u9 teams and you play each other), or your organization participated in the SFL.