Anonymous
Post 06/11/2021 10:53     Subject: Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's just be honest with ourselves. Some parents, not a majority by any means, engaged in behavior that was beyond the pale. Yes, it was in the interest of their children and in moving schools in a likely better direction, but it was unnecessary, offensive, and poisoned the environment of the schools. In some rare cases, it was even racist. I am a parent, and I was frankly shocked by what some folks were willing to say and do. Even if it agreed with their point. Sadly, our society in general has deteriorated to the point that incivility has become a norm for some people. They seem to feel no shame or remorse for that. I do not blame teachers or staff for not being willing to put up with it. And even though I hope that we will slowly piece our school communities back together, they will be fractured and the wounds will take a long time to heal. You can make comments about how you'd prefer new teachers, but our children will suffer even higher teacher turnover. I know that in my own school community we are losing some fantastic teachers, ones that were incredibly reasonable during distance learning and went above and beyond for the kids. All of this is not to say that some teachers and staff also engaged in behavior that was simply unacceptable, perhaps borne out of fear and frustration, and which was unnecessary and costly for kids this past year. But the question here is teacher turnover, and the adage that two wrongs do not make a right still holds.


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+2

+3 or 4 since this captures my experience at two different schools and parent communities

And in the spirit of keeping it real, if you can't identify examples of W3 parents acting "beyond the pale" this year over reopening, then you're likely part of the problem. At my school community, it has caused a rift between the teacher and parent community and alienated our families of color. It's not great and we have a lot of rebuilding to do this next year.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2021 10:38     Subject: Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's just be honest with ourselves. Some parents, not a majority by any means, engaged in behavior that was beyond the pale. Yes, it was in the interest of their children and in moving schools in a likely better direction, but it was unnecessary, offensive, and poisoned the environment of the schools. In some rare cases, it was even racist. I am a parent, and I was frankly shocked by what some folks were willing to say and do. Even if it agreed with their point. Sadly, our society in general has deteriorated to the point that incivility has become a norm for some people. They seem to feel no shame or remorse for that. I do not blame teachers or staff for not being willing to put up with it. And even though I hope that we will slowly piece our school communities back together, they will be fractured and the wounds will take a long time to heal. You can make comments about how you'd prefer new teachers, but our children will suffer even higher teacher turnover. I know that in my own school community we are losing some fantastic teachers, ones that were incredibly reasonable during distance learning and went above and beyond for the kids. All of this is not to say that some teachers and staff also engaged in behavior that was simply unacceptable, perhaps borne out of fear and frustration, and which was unnecessary and costly for kids this past year. But the question here is teacher turnover, and the adage that two wrongs do not make a right still holds.


+1


+2

And in the spirit of keeping it real, if you can't identify examples of W3 parents acting "beyond the pale" this year over reopening, then you're likely part of the problem. At my school community, it has caused a rift between the teacher and parent community and alienated our families of color. It's not great and we have a lot of rebuilding to do this next year.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2021 10:21     Subject: Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:Let's just be honest with ourselves. Some parents, not a majority by any means, engaged in behavior that was beyond the pale. Yes, it was in the interest of their children and in moving schools in a likely better direction, but it was unnecessary, offensive, and poisoned the environment of the schools. In some rare cases, it was even racist. I am a parent, and I was frankly shocked by what some folks were willing to say and do. Even if it agreed with their point. Sadly, our society in general has deteriorated to the point that incivility has become a norm for some people. They seem to feel no shame or remorse for that. I do not blame teachers or staff for not being willing to put up with it. And even though I hope that we will slowly piece our school communities back together, they will be fractured and the wounds will take a long time to heal. You can make comments about how you'd prefer new teachers, but our children will suffer even higher teacher turnover. I know that in my own school community we are losing some fantastic teachers, ones that were incredibly reasonable during distance learning and went above and beyond for the kids. All of this is not to say that some teachers and staff also engaged in behavior that was simply unacceptable, perhaps borne out of fear and frustration, and which was unnecessary and costly for kids this past year. But the question here is teacher turnover, and the adage that two wrongs do not make a right still holds.


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Anonymous
Post 06/11/2021 09:14     Subject: Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:Let's just be honest with ourselves. Some parents, not a majority by any means, engaged in behavior that was beyond the pale. Yes, it was in the interest of their children and in moving schools in a likely better direction, but it was unnecessary, offensive, and poisoned the environment of the schools. In some rare cases, it was even racist. I am a parent, and I was frankly shocked by what some folks were willing to say and do. Even if it agreed with their point. Sadly, our society in general has deteriorated to the point that incivility has become a norm for some people. They seem to feel no shame or remorse for that. I do not blame teachers or staff for not being willing to put up with it. And even though I hope that we will slowly piece our school communities back together, they will be fractured and the wounds will take a long time to heal. You can make comments about how you'd prefer new teachers, but our children will suffer even higher teacher turnover. I know that in my own school community we are losing some fantastic teachers, ones that were incredibly reasonable during distance learning and went above and beyond for the kids. All of this is not to say that some teachers and staff also engaged in behavior that was simply unacceptable, perhaps borne out of fear and frustration, and which was unnecessary and costly for kids this past year. But the question here is teacher turnover, and the adage that two wrongs do not make a right still holds.


I would need more concrete examples before I believe that parents in favor of reopening "engaged in behavior that was beyond the pale." Because what I saw in my school was the opposite. Teachers *went on strike* (supported by principals) to keep vulnerable kids out of the classroom. This was supported by a contingent of high-profile school parents (including parents who were also elected DC officials) engaging in whisper campaigns to get parents to undermine school reopening. Parents who wanted their kids to go to school were afraid to speak up, because the prominent school parents (LSAT members, PTA presidents) were all literally reposting WTU "ONLY WHEN ITS SAFE" talking points on the school listserv.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2021 08:56     Subject: Teacher turnover
Let's just be honest with ourselves. Some parents, not a majority by any means, engaged in behavior that was beyond the pale. Yes, it was in the interest of their children and in moving schools in a likely better direction, but it was unnecessary, offensive, and poisoned the environment of the schools. In some rare cases, it was even racist. I am a parent, and I was frankly shocked by what some folks were willing to say and do. Even if it agreed with their point. Sadly, our society in general has deteriorated to the point that incivility has become a norm for some people. They seem to feel no shame or remorse for that. I do not blame teachers or staff for not being willing to put up with it. And even though I hope that we will slowly piece our school communities back together, they will be fractured and the wounds will take a long time to heal. You can make comments about how you'd prefer new teachers, but our children will suffer even higher teacher turnover. I know that in my own school community we are losing some fantastic teachers, ones that were incredibly reasonable during distance learning and went above and beyond for the kids. All of this is not to say that some teachers and staff also engaged in behavior that was simply unacceptable, perhaps borne out of fear and frustration, and which was unnecessary and costly for kids this past year. But the question here is teacher turnover, and the adage that two wrongs do not make a right still holds.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2021 07:53     Subject: Teacher turnover
So what I don’t like about teacher turnover talk is how teachers go the guilt route. Leave teaching because you find a better opportunity. Leave teaching because you want to pursue a new interest. But this constant threat of you’ll
Miss me when I’m gone is exhausting.

Also, don’t assume that parents want anything different than the newbie 22 year old. Do not assume they can recognize good teaching or even want it. They want quick responses to emails, flashy things, and someone who lets them make excuses for their kids.
So yes, they will be incredibly happy with the 22 year old. Until the 22 year old turns 27 and quits.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 22:44     Subject: Re:Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't care if teachers leave. Everyone is replaceable. I just want my kids back in class, in front of ANY teacher.


HAHAHAHA!!

Yeah right. You'll be complaining again by October.


You're being generous to the PP. They'll be complaining as soon as they get the newbie. I give it second week in September.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 22:41     Subject: Teacher turnover
Thank you kind parent. That helps. So many of us hated what happened to DCPS kids and fought to come back to school. We are really trying to make up lost ground. Thanks for your support.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 22:37     Subject: Re:Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't care if teachers leave. Everyone is replaceable. I just want my kids back in class, in front of ANY teacher.


You can say that, but i work in admin at a WOTP school in DCPS and we can’t fill all of our vacancies because the pool is so shallow. You will most likely see those positions filled by first year teachers or TFA type who are only around for two years.



Judging by most teachers' comments on DCUM, it seems that most teachers hate their jobs. Maybe it's a good thing if they quit. We can replace them with people who actually want to educate children.


You must be dreaming. Do you really think there a thousand new teachers waiting to come join DCPS for 21-22? I value my kids' teachers. They've been DL all year. I don't want a newbie teacher for my kids every year because you harassed them with your pet peeves 4 times a day. Just stop it. Let the teachers do their jobs wherever they may be.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 22:24     Subject: Teacher turnover
Teachers are bailing before the anti-racism IMPACT metrics kicks in.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 21:59     Subject: Re:Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:You must be at the same school as us given that two at our school were announced today. Wacky is an unfair adjective. We have a PKer who never had an option for in-person teaching. And please don’t tell me that a CARES classroom is actual school. We are outspoken because the teachers failed us. And yeah, we blame the principal and DCPS. Kids deserve better.

DCPS -= chancellor & Bowser, right?
Or just the teachers/admin who did as they were told?
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 21:30     Subject: Re:Teacher turnover
You must be at the same school as us given that two at our school were announced today. Wacky is an unfair adjective. We have a PKer who never had an option for in-person teaching. And please don’t tell me that a CARES classroom is actual school. We are outspoken because the teachers failed us. And yeah, we blame the principal and DCPS. Kids deserve better.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 20:38     Subject: Re:Teacher turnover
Anonymous wrote:I don't care if teachers leave. Everyone is replaceable. I just want my kids back in class, in front of ANY teacher.


HAHAHAHA!!

Yeah right. You'll be complaining again by October.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 20:03     Subject: Teacher turnover
DCPS failed children this year. There is no adequate defense. They will lose many students and enrollment will continue to decline.

The WTU acted so poorly they will not regain parents trust. Bowser should lose the next election based on this incompetence.

Anonymous
Post 06/10/2021 17:43     Subject: Teacher turnover
Might be hard but what’s the alternative? We keep moving ahead and trying to put everyone back in one piece. Next fall will be challenging indeed with teacher/admin turnover and kids who haven’t been in school for such a long time. That’s why we need to recharge this summer. But I expect there will be lots of joyful moments too - normalcy! Sometimes you just have to pick up the pieces as you put one foot in front of the other.