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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

It’s crazy how much you cops whine and complain while making 6 figures on the public dime without a college degree. Quite honestly if you don’t like your job it would in fact be better for all involved for you to quit. People like you should not be in public interfacing roles in law enforcement.

I'm not a cop. Not related to one. Not friends with any. People need to understand this situation is complex, and recruiting and retaining good police is the best way to have safer policing.

Also not a cop, and not a friend or family member of any. I agree with PP. No one wants to be a cop right now — that situation is a downward spiral. Also, your wrong about the 6 figure. Starting salary for MCPD is 52K. With 5 years prior experience, you can start at 62K. That’s not a go of money around here especially for people to shoot at you and assume you are a racist. Who needs that, for that amount of money?

If the cities and communities who don't really want policemen handling crimes find it difficult to hire enough police because of their policies and expectations, then so be it. It won't take long forcrime to take its toll. Then they can decide if worth It.

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

The recruits who'll only go where the community and political leadership support police officers who do bad things, are recruits I don't want here anyway.

I will give you an example. The montgomery county police officer who shot finan berhe was doing exactly what his training and the law told him to do. But political leadership immediately crucified him. Instead of rightfully questioning training and policies, they just condemned him judge jury and executioner. Police want to know that when they do what they are supposed to do, even if it's "lawful but awful," they are supported. Almost no cop wants to kill someone. They are trained to defend themselves and others.

And by "crucify," you mean "said things about whether a different response could have produced a different result", for example:

"What a shame. #FinanBerhe and his family deserve justice. This underscores the urgent need to expand our Mobile Crisis Team so we can send trained behavioral health professionals to our residents in crisis, not just armed police officers." (Tom Hucker)

or

"“You had a young man who’d never been in trouble. An Uber driver killed in front of his parents’ home. And it didn’t have to be that way. There’s a lot of ways, in my opinion, that that situation could have been de-escalated before he charged.” (Will Jawando)

So what is the different response when someone is suicidal and wants someone to kill them? ("I'm just ready to go.") And they run with a knife toward whatever government entity responds to the crisis? Do you honestly think that an unarmed female (because they are all women) social worker is going to be able to deescalate that situation with words? Every single time? Who keeps the bystanders safe while she's talking? Who keeps the social workers safe? When that person wants to die and has chosen the police as the means to do it. You don't think someone who's determined enough will continue to injure people until he gets the police response he wants?

Will that happen every time? No. Social workers will be able to talk some out of it. But what are the safety protocols necessary to have a social worker even feel safe going into that unknown situation? Because...what social worker in their right mind wants to respond to a knife call without safety protocols in place?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

It’s crazy how much you cops whine and complain while making 6 figures on the public dime without a college degree. Quite honestly if you don’t like your job it would in fact be better for all involved for you to quit. People like you should not be in public interfacing roles in law enforcement.

I'm not a cop. Not related to one. Not friends with any. People need to understand this situation is complex, and recruiting and retaining good police is the best way to have safer policing.

Also not a cop, and not a friend or family member of any. I agree with PP. No one wants to be a cop right now — that situation is a downward spiral. Also, your wrong about the 6 figure. Starting salary for MCPD is 52K. With 5 years prior experience, you can start at 62K. That’s not a go of money around here especially for people to shoot at you and assume you are a racist. Who needs that, for that amount of money?

If the cities and communities who don't really want policemen handling crimes find it difficult to hire enough police because of their policies and expectations, then so be it. It won't take long forcrime to take its toll. Then they can decide if worth It.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

It’s crazy how much you cops whine and complain while making 6 figures on the public dime without a college degree. Quite honestly if you don’t like your job it would in fact be better for all involved for you to quit. People like you should not be in public interfacing roles in law enforcement.

I'm not a cop. Not related to one. Not friends with any. People need to understand this situation is complex, and recruiting and retaining good police is the best way to have safer policing.

Also not a cop, and not a friend or family member of any. I agree with PP. No one wants to be a cop right now — that situation is a downward spiral. Also, your wrong about the 6 figure. Starting salary for MCPD is 52K. With 5 years prior experience, you can start at 62K. That’s not a go of money around here especially for people to shoot at you and assume you are a racist. Who needs that, for that amount of money?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

The recruits who'll only go where the community and political leadership support police officers who do bad things, are recruits I don't want here anyway.

I will give you an example. The montgomery county police officer who shot finan berhe was doing exactly what his training and the law told him to do. But political leadership immediately crucified him. Instead of rightfully questioning training and policies, they just condemned him judge jury and executioner. Police want to know that when they do what they are supposed to do, even if it's "lawful but awful," they are supported. Almost no cop wants to kill someone. They are trained to defend themselves and others.

And by "crucify," you mean "said things about whether a different response could have produced a different result", for example:

"What a shame. #FinanBerhe and his family deserve justice. This underscores the urgent need to expand our Mobile Crisis Team so we can send trained behavioral health professionals to our residents in crisis, not just armed police officers." (Tom Hucker)

or

"“You had a young man who’d never been in trouble. An Uber driver killed in front of his parents’ home. And it didn’t have to be that way. There’s a lot of ways, in my opinion, that that situation could have been de-escalated before he charged.” (Will Jawando)

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

The recruits who'll only go where the community and political leadership support police officers who do bad things, are recruits I don't want here anyway.

I will give you an example. The montgomery county police officer who shot finan berhe was doing exactly what his training and the law told him to do. But political leadership immediately crucified him. Instead of rightfully questioning training and policies, they just condemned him judge jury and executioner. Police want to know that when they do what they are supposed to do, even if it's "lawful but awful," they are supported. Almost no cop wants to kill someone. They are trained to defend themselves and others.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

I thought the argument was that nearly all cops are good.

They are. Communities should appreciate them. Those that don't will have difficulty with recruitment and retention.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

I thought the argument was that nearly all cops are good.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

The recruits who'll only go where the community and political leadership support police officers who do bad things, are recruits I don't want here anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

It’s crazy how much you cops whine and complain while making 6 figures on the public dime without a college degree. Quite honestly if you don’t like your job it would in fact be better for all involved for you to quit. People like you should not be in public interfacing roles in law enforcement.

I'm not a cop. Not related to one. Not friends with any. People need to understand this situation is complex, and recruiting and retaining good police is the best way to have safer policing.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

It’s crazy how much you cops whine and complain while making 6 figures on the public dime without a college degree. Quite honestly if you don’t like your job it would in fact be better for all involved for you to quit. People like you should not be in public interfacing roles in law enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

Just like teachers. Doesn't really change the job at all; Teachers and police will go where they are respected and where they also respect others.

The bad ones will end up in communities with less money to pay them, and which are more tolerate of bad behavior.

Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.