Let anyone take any class but don't be surprised when students can't (or won't) do the work.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just going to say that the point of AP classes is or should be to reduce the number of college classes that students pay (a lot) for.

Due to APs (and dual enrollment), DD is able to graduate with a bachelors degree in three years but will stay the 4th and work on a masters degree. This will save her/us a lot of money.

Everyone should have this opportunity and the classes should be well-taught. We are thinking about this the wrong way.

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I agree completely! I am a HS teacher and many students take my class (an AP) to get credits in college. Many can graduate in three years or go abroad for a full year because they have a bunch of credits or take more electives of interest, etc. This can especially help lower middle class and low income families in terms of loans and college costs.

How can you both support this when there are few to no minorities in those classes?

Equity demands an end to the racist AP system.

Tutoring is good, but its impact will be lower than you think.

Mainly the kids with motivated parents will want to stay for extra tutoring/school. These are the kids that are likely to succeed anyway.

The kids that have the most trouble come from households that don’t have the time, energy, or inclination to care about school.

They won’t make their kids sign up for tutoring.

Some say the problem starts even earlier, with parents not reading or talking enough to their toddlers or even worse neglecting or abusing them.

It sets kids behind even in kindergarten.

I’d say universal pre-K is more helpful than tutoring, but even that’s not a silver bullet.

We really just need to fix poverty. There’s a strong correlation between family income and educational success.

Anonymous wrote:Group tutoring is called school. If kids are behind, they don't need more of the same thing they get all day long at school. I don't know what teachers the PP is referring to. You'd have to at least match the hourly rate teachers make in order to attract them to after-school tutoring.

https://www.the74million.org/article/what-if-every-struggling-student-had-a-tutor-it-wont-be-cheap-but-it-might-be-worth-it/

Group tutoring is called school. If kids are behind, they don't need more of the same thing they get all day long at school. I don't know what teachers the PP is referring to. You'd have to at least match the hourly rate teachers make in order to attract them to after-school tutoring.

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Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

Qualified tutors hired by the school system. I would rather see title 1 money or money spent on ridiculous studies implemented by Central office towards this.

They cost upwards of $50/hr for one student. Let's be realistic here.

They don't have to cost that much when they're working directly for the school and they don't have to be one on one. ESOL teachers don't cost that much. Think outside of the box.

Sure, if you want them to fail spectacularly

Literally there are tutoring companies like Mathnaseum that provide group tutoring . Anyway..what I'm talking about are teachers hired by the school system whose sole job is to provide additional support (tutoring) to students who are struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

Qualified tutors hired by the school system. I would rather see title 1 money or money spent on ridiculous studies implemented by Central office towards this.

They cost upwards of $50/hr for one student. Let's be realistic here.

They don't have to cost that much when they're working directly for the school and they don't have to be one on one. ESOL teachers don't cost that much. Think outside of the box.

Sure, if you want them to fail spectacularly

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Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

Qualified tutors hired by the school system. I would rather see title 1 money or money spent on ridiculous studies implemented by Central office towards this.

They cost upwards of $50/hr for one student. Let's be realistic here.

They don't have to cost that much when they're working directly for the school and they don't have to be one on one. ESOL teachers don't cost that much. Think outside of the box.

I'm an ESOL tutor and I charge $80 an hour. Good luck trying to find qualified tutors to work for peanuts.

MCPS pays you $80 an hour? Wow that's great money.

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Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

Qualified tutors hired by the school system. I would rather see title 1 money or money spent on ridiculous studies implemented by Central office towards this.

They cost upwards of $50/hr for one student. Let's be realistic here.

They don't have to cost that much when they're working directly for the school and they don't have to be one on one. ESOL teachers don't cost that much. Think outside of the box.

I'm an ESOL tutor and I charge $80 an hour. Good luck trying to find qualified tutors to work for peanuts.

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Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

Qualified tutors hired by the school system. I would rather see title 1 money or money spent on ridiculous studies implemented by Central office towards this.

They cost upwards of $50/hr for one student. Let's be realistic here.

They don't have to cost that much when they're working directly for the school and they don't have to be one on one. ESOL teachers don't cost that much. Think outside of the box.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

Qualified tutors hired by the school system. I would rather see title 1 money or money spent on ridiculous studies implemented by Central office towards this.

They cost upwards of $50/hr for one student. Let's be realistic here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

Qualified tutors hired by the school system. I would rather see title 1 money or money spent on ridiculous studies implemented by Central office towards this.

Anonymous wrote:So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Who will do this?

So I don't think AP classes are the issue and I think they should stay. It sounds like it's the schools and teachers who have preconceived stereotypes of black and Hispanic kids that result in them subconsciously or consciously holding back students of color. So first, I think we need to pay teachers very well, specifically those who choose to work in title 1 and Focus schools and who stay there for x number of years.. Evaluate them on how well they are supporting URM students. Next why can't we provide free tutoring to all kids who need support starting at elementary school? Make it a mandatory part of their day..not an after school or weekend program. Finally, I do think we need to get rid of the ridiculous GS ratings which is a huge reason we have segregated schools.

Anonymous wrote:I’m just going to say that the point of AP classes is or should be to reduce the number of college classes that students pay (a lot) for.

Due to APs (and dual enrollment), DD is able to graduate with a bachelors degree in three years but will stay the 4th and work on a masters degree. This will save her/us a lot of money.

Everyone should have this opportunity and the classes should be well-taught. We are thinking about this the wrong way.

+1

I agree completely! I am a HS teacher and many students take my class (an AP) to get credits in college. Many can graduate in three years or go abroad for a full year because they have a bunch of credits or take more electives of interest, etc. This can especially help lower middle class and low income families in terms of loans and college costs.