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Anonymous wrote:how did you play eanie meanie miney mo?

As a kid in the 70"s? N word

As a parent in the 2000"s? tiger

Learn more, do better

Bascially this. In the 70s, what they now call "ding dong ditch" (ringing your neighbors doorbell and running away) was called n*** knocking. JFC.

This was the common term for it in my working/middle class Midwestern suburb well into the late 80s/early 90s.

WTF that is crazy. I guess growing up in the 70s was a different beast than growing up in the 80s/90s. I never heard anyone say the N word. We grew up with Cosby.

Am I the only one who doesn’t mind watching 80s movies? Yes they are ribald, yes they are insulting, yes they are provocative. I’m glad we’re a more thoughtful society now. But I still enjoy some of these movies despite various sexist or racist tropes, lines of dialogue, stereotypes.

I wonder why that was the norm? Where I grew up, we were homogenous generic while population. Most slights and insults were based on socioeconomic circumstances.
Peasant, mechanic, etc. Perhaps it was actually worse back in my home country, not only did we not do such bigotry, it was likely a taboo and hence never even spoken about in any setting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:how did you play eanie meanie miney mo?

As a kid in the 70"s? N word

As a parent in the 2000"s? tiger

Learn more, do better

Bascially this. In the 70s, what they now call "ding dong ditch" (ringing your neighbors doorbell and running away) was called n*** knocking. JFC.

This was the common term for it in my working/middle class Midwestern suburb well into the late 80s/early 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish everyone would calm down. As a Black person I see all of this hand wringing about cancel culture as an excuse to not engage in solving the problem of racial inequities.

I am one of the people of color who posted above and agree; it’s not that complicated.

Most of the handwringing on this thread is advanced by conservatives who are aiming to make “wokeness” into a bad word and “cancel culture” into the bogeyman responsible for all society’s ills.

For that they will claim that children are being penalized for their actions as middle schoolers, BIPOC are equally responsible for their own oppression, and since no one is perfect, nothing can ever be improved unless we all just quit whining about rights and oppression.

It’s like MAGA bingo in here. Next up someone will bring up rap music, black on black crime, and how all minorities hate each other. The same damn tires arguments again and again.

It's not just conservatives decrying the cancel culture & wokeness. It's liberals, too. May of the PPs above have said that they are liberals. We are sick and tired of it. And people are being penalized for actions as MS, HS, etc. But even if the action was as an adult, is reformation not possible? The current climate seems to be aimed at internet warfare instead of creating actual cultural change.

If you’re a liberal decrying cancel culture, then you’ve been drawn hook line and sinker into the MAGA argument that it is more about internet warfare than shining a light on racist, sexist, homophobic behavior.

Cancel culture is a straw man and a myth.

In the year of our lord 2021, if you say something racist, then you probably will be called out for it. In the year 2000 if you said the same thing, you wouldn’t be. That’s just called progress.

People who hate being called out on their shitty behavior are crying about cancel culture rather than actually changing

That's nonsense. Cancel culture is very real but liberals seem to be blind to it because they're too busy throwing stones. In my view, the idea of "wokeness" and "cancel culture" is more about internet warfare and liberals feigning piety than anything else. Time would be better spent if these internet worries were pushing education and reform instead of shutting people down. Eschewing people to the periphery of society, as they hope to do, does not win over any converts. It creates more hard line extremism. It just doesn't make sense to devalue reformation and reflection if the ultimate goal is to achieve a more equitable society. We all agree that die-hard alt-right, storm the capitol types should not be given a platform from which to spew hate speech. The problem with "cancel culture" is that it goes too far. Instead of targeting the obvious bad apples in society, it goes after everyone - even for small "offenses" which are often the result of a misunderstanding or lack of education. The problem is that society has no forgiveness and no space for discussion.

And I've been doing the work in equality and equity for decades. Don't give me this BS about being called out for shitty behavior. Because I'm doing the work, I'm tired of people taking the easy way out.

You’re painting with an awfully broad brush there for someone who has supposedly “done the work”. All of society is too busy throwing stones to care about education? Can you reread what you wrote and honestly say that “cancel culture” however you define it, is what is really wrong with society today? That a few internet people can’t coexist with a real progressive move towards reform?

Reading comprehension not your strong suit? It = "wokeness" and "cancel culture" as identified in the top few lines. At no point did I say "all of society". It is a narrow discussion on the overreach of wokeness and cancel culture. Read carefully and stop generalizing.

But this does sort of highlight the issue - an overgeneralization that thus leads off topic and creates no actual dialogue or discussion.

Tangent, but I'm always amazed by the strong correlation between people worried about "cancel culture" and those who took issue with Colin Kaepernick.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish everyone would calm down. As a Black person I see all of this hand wringing about cancel culture as an excuse to not engage in solving the problem of racial inequities.

I am one of the people of color who posted above and agree; it’s not that complicated.

Most of the handwringing on this thread is advanced by conservatives who are aiming to make “wokeness” into a bad word and “cancel culture” into the bogeyman responsible for all society’s ills.

For that they will claim that children are being penalized for their actions as middle schoolers, BIPOC are equally responsible for their own oppression, and since no one is perfect, nothing can ever be improved unless we all just quit whining about rights and oppression.

It’s like MAGA bingo in here. Next up someone will bring up rap music, black on black crime, and how all minorities hate each other. The same damn tires arguments again and again.

It's not just conservatives decrying the cancel culture & wokeness. It's liberals, too. May of the PPs above have said that they are liberals. We are sick and tired of it. And people are being penalized for actions as MS, HS, etc. But even if the action was as an adult, is reformation not possible? The current climate seems to be aimed at internet warfare instead of creating actual cultural change.

If you’re a liberal decrying cancel culture, then you’ve been drawn hook line and sinker into the MAGA argument that it is more about internet warfare than shining a light on racist, sexist, homophobic behavior.

Cancel culture is a straw man and a myth.

In the year of our lord 2021, if you say something racist, then you probably will be called out for it. In the year 2000 if you said the same thing, you wouldn’t be. That’s just called progress.

People who hate being called out on their shitty behavior are crying about cancel culture rather than actually changing

That's nonsense. Cancel culture is very real but liberals seem to be blind to it because they're too busy throwing stones. In my view, the idea of "wokeness" and "cancel culture" is more about internet warfare and liberals feigning piety than anything else. Time would be better spent if these internet worries were pushing education and reform instead of shutting people down. Eschewing people to the periphery of society, as they hope to do, does not win over any converts. It creates more hard line extremism. It just doesn't make sense to devalue reformation and reflection if the ultimate goal is to achieve a more equitable society. We all agree that die-hard alt-right, storm the capitol types should not be given a platform from which to spew hate speech. The problem with "cancel culture" is that it goes too far. Instead of targeting the obvious bad apples in society, it goes after everyone - even for small "offenses" which are often the result of a misunderstanding or lack of education. The problem is that society has no forgiveness and no space for discussion.

And I've been doing the work in equality and equity for decades. Don't give me this BS about being called out for shitty behavior. Because I'm doing the work, I'm tired of people taking the easy way out.

You’re painting with an awfully broad brush there for someone who has supposedly “done the work”. All of society is too busy throwing stones to care about education? Can you reread what you wrote and honestly say that “cancel culture” however you define it, is what is really wrong with society today? That a few internet people can’t coexist with a real progressive move towards reform?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:how did you play eanie meanie miney mo?

As a kid in the 70"s? N word

As a parent in the 2000"s? tiger

Learn more, do better

Bascially this. In the 70s, what they now call "ding dong ditch" (ringing your neighbors doorbell and running away) was called n*** knocking. JFC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish everyone would calm down. As a Black person I see all of this hand wringing about cancel culture as an excuse to not engage in solving the problem of racial inequities.

I am one of the people of color who posted above and agree; it’s not that complicated.

Most of the handwringing on this thread is advanced by conservatives who are aiming to make “wokeness” into a bad word and “cancel culture” into the bogeyman responsible for all society’s ills.

For that they will claim that children are being penalized for their actions as middle schoolers, BIPOC are equally responsible for their own oppression, and since no one is perfect, nothing can ever be improved unless we all just quit whining about rights and oppression.

It’s like MAGA bingo in here. Next up someone will bring up rap music, black on black crime, and how all minorities hate each other. The same damn tires arguments again and again.

It's not just conservatives decrying the cancel culture & wokeness. It's liberals, too. May of the PPs above have said that they are liberals. We are sick and tired of it. And people are being penalized for actions as MS, HS, etc. But even if the action was as an adult, is reformation not possible? The current climate seems to be aimed at internet warfare instead of creating actual cultural change.

If you’re a liberal decrying cancel culture, then you’ve been drawn hook line and sinker into the MAGA argument that it is more about internet warfare than shining a light on racist, sexist, homophobic behavior.

Cancel culture is a straw man and a myth.

In the year of our lord 2021, if you say something racist, then you probably will be called out for it. In the year 2000 if you said the same thing, you wouldn’t be. That’s just called progress.

People who hate being called out on their shitty behavior are crying about cancel culture rather than actually changing

Think about the words you have used above-- "People who hate being called out on their shitty behavior are crying about cancel culture rather than actually changing. You are so right. So if you really want people to change, maybe there is a different way to get to these people. Yes, people need to recognize that their beliefs, behaviors, values are racist. But the way this is being done now is destructive rather than bridge building. If people really want the change they are now shouting about, they must figure out a way to do this without antagonizing others. Yes. I recognize that racism antagonizes people so way should we tiptoe around the racists? I am not necessarily advocating for tiptoeing, however, I am stressing the need to go about changing people in a way that will make people WANT to change. A lot of racist people are very dense; they don't want to listen; they feel entrenched in their beliefs, etc. Accusations, confrontations, toughness is not the way to get through to people. Look at all the people publicly apologizing... do you think that most are apologizing because they really mean it--- It appears to me that they are apologizing because if they don't, they will lose their livelihoods. So really, the only thing we are accomplishing is getting people to issue fake apologies rather than truly changing the way people think. Talk is cheap. I remember reading about a member of the controversial Westoboro Baptist Church that would demonstrate against gays in the military, among other things. I don't remember the exact details, but someone kindly reached out to one of the members and engaged in dialogue with that member. Eventually the member left the church because she developed a meaningful relationship with the person who reached out to her and came to truly believe that what the Church was doing was wrong. She learned that the people she demonstrated against were real human beings with feelings and value. Kind, honest and compassionate dialogue is what works. There is a double standard, however, if we really want to eradicate racism, we need to use effective means to do that. Accusations, blame, discrimination, name calling... these are not effective methods for winning people over to your side.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP: Gee I really said a lot of stuff I didn’t realize was racist back in the day.

Posters: Well now that you know better, you should do better

Other posters: OMG! You’re not the problem! The problem is CANCEL CULTURE! It’s ruining the future of our middle schoolers! Also people of color should be canceled, they’re racist too!

I mean...except for that one poster who was like “You should have known better even as a child because Sesame Street and ignorance cannot co-exist”

Well, I don’t agree with that poster either.

DP. My biggest gripe in this thread is the poster who believes they have never done anything ever like OP, because that's obviously wrong, and then my second biggest gripe are your "other posters" people. Both are hysterical and wrong.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish everyone would calm down. As a Black person I see all of this hand wringing about cancel culture as an excuse to not engage in solving the problem of racial inequities.

I am one of the people of color who posted above and agree; it’s not that complicated.

Most of the handwringing on this thread is advanced by conservatives who are aiming to make “wokeness” into a bad word and “cancel culture” into the bogeyman responsible for all society’s ills.

For that they will claim that children are being penalized for their actions as middle schoolers, BIPOC are equally responsible for their own oppression, and since no one is perfect, nothing can ever be improved unless we all just quit whining about rights and oppression.

It’s like MAGA bingo in here. Next up someone will bring up rap music, black on black crime, and how all minorities hate each other. The same damn tires arguments again and again.

It's not just conservatives decrying the cancel culture & wokeness. It's liberals, too. May of the PPs above have said that they are liberals. We are sick and tired of it. And people are being penalized for actions as MS, HS, etc. But even if the action was as an adult, is reformation not possible? The current climate seems to be aimed at internet warfare instead of creating actual cultural change.

If you’re a liberal decrying cancel culture, then you’ve been drawn hook line and sinker into the MAGA argument that it is more about internet warfare than shining a light on racist, sexist, homophobic behavior.

Cancel culture is a straw man and a myth.

In the year of our lord 2021, if you say something racist, then you probably will be called out for it. In the year 2000 if you said the same thing, you wouldn’t be. That’s just called progress.

People who hate being called out on their shitty behavior are crying about cancel culture rather than actually changing

That's nonsense. Cancel culture is very real but liberals seem to be blind to it because they're too busy throwing stones. In my view, the idea of "wokeness" and "cancel culture" is more about internet warfare and liberals feigning piety than anything else. Time would be better spent if these internet worries were pushing education and reform instead of shutting people down. Eschewing people to the periphery of society, as they hope to do, does not win over any converts. It creates more hard line extremism. It just doesn't make sense to devalue reformation and reflection if the ultimate goal is to achieve a more equitable society. We all agree that die-hard alt-right, storm the capitol types should not be given a platform from which to spew hate speech. The problem with "cancel culture" is that it goes too far. Instead of targeting the obvious bad apples in society, it goes after everyone - even for small "offenses" which are often the result of a misunderstanding or lack of education. The problem is that society has no forgiveness and no space for discussion.

And I've been doing the work in equality and equity for decades. Don't give me this BS about being called out for shitty behavior. Because I'm doing the work, I'm tired of people taking the easy way out.

Anonymous wrote:I don't care what decade you grew up in. Its a choice to be ignorant.

I was watching a British special filmed in 2019 today and the racism jumped out straight away - its crazy. References to exotic 'Sinoise styles', the Oriental attendant at 6:28, and the harsh judgement of Chinese designs.

Does it make it 'acceptable' that this show was filmed and produced in 2019 + shown in 2020?

You're right, ignorance is a choice--one that you appear to have indulged in. You are an idiot if you think those are examples of present day racism in a program showing antiques from the age of Queen Victoria. Also, it's Chinoiserie. Educate yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: Gee I really said a lot of stuff I didn’t realize was racist back in the day.

Posters: Well now that you know better, you should do better

Other posters: OMG! You’re not the problem! The problem is CANCEL CULTURE! It’s ruining the future of our middle schoolers! Also people of color should be canceled, they’re racist too!

I mean...except for that one poster who was like “You should have known better even as a child because Sesame Street and ignorance cannot co-exist”

Well, I don’t agree with that poster either.

Anonymous wrote:OP: Gee I really said a lot of stuff I didn’t realize was racist back in the day.

Posters: Well now that you know better, you should do better

Other posters: OMG! You’re not the problem! The problem is CANCEL CULTURE! It’s ruining the future of our middle schoolers! Also people of color should be canceled, they’re racist too!

I mean...except for that one poster who was like “You should have known better even as a child because Sesame Street and ignorance cannot co-exist”