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Anonymous wrote:The irony of Bowser's statements on the DMV being interconnected and wanting DC to be a state is clear.

Maryland and Virginia do not establish policies based on DC residents. Yet Bowser has done just that.

As the PP states, you can't govern when the "victim card" is all your rely upon.

This. Unintelligible.

Does the word irony confuse you?

Bowser's stance confuses me.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course I understand the statistics, but the metric isn't really that valuable. It's not a zero sum game in which every shot only benefits the recipient. The more vaccine that goes into the DMV, the better. The fact that we have porous borders with MD and VA means that we are all interdependent. I don't give a crap where my kid's teachers sleep at night as long as they get their damned shots and our DC school will finally open up.

There is a similar issue with a large percentage of NY shots going to NJ residents who come into NYC to work.

I can't think of a single person who don't want teachers (who are in person) to be priority.

But PP - if you are a DC resident - you must understand that Bowser's stats and benchmarks for reopening schools fully and allowing HS sports for example, are based partially on hospitalizations.

As we all know - hospitalizations are going way down due, in part to vaccines.

So, it is worth noting that the folks in DC hospitals are NOT necessarily residents of the city much like a large portion of DC allocated vaccines went to VA/MD residents.

And unless hospitalizations are going down - your child will not be in school 5 days with his/her teachers in person.

I am following your thought PP== yes, the resident/out of state DC stats are very confused right now, and they are basing a lot of policy on them which ripples out to affect a lot of people including school opening decisions. If they are going to vaccinate/hospitalize sizable numbers of out of staters AT THE VERY LEAST disaggregate the statistics. Right now, fact finders like NBC news and City Paper are doing that work, and it is not reflected on national data tracker engines like the CDCs or in the stats released by DC Health/GOV.

Anonymous wrote:Of course I understand the statistics, but the metric isn't really that valuable. It's not a zero sum game in which every shot only benefits the recipient. The more vaccine that goes into the DMV, the better. The fact that we have porous borders with MD and VA means that we are all interdependent. I don't give a crap where my kid's teachers sleep at night as long as they get their damned shots and our DC school will finally open up.

There is a similar issue with a large percentage of NY shots going to NJ residents who come into NYC to work.

I can't think of a single person who don't want teachers (who are in person) to be priority.

But PP - if you are a DC resident - you must understand that Bowser's stats and benchmarks for reopening schools fully and allowing HS sports for example, are based partially on hospitalizations.

As we all know - hospitalizations are going way down due, in part to vaccines.

So, it is worth noting that the folks in DC hospitals are NOT necessarily residents of the city much like a large portion of DC allocated vaccines went to VA/MD residents.

And unless hospitalizations are going down - your child will not be in school 5 days with his/her teachers in person.

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Anonymous wrote:The irony of Bowser's statements on the DMV being interconnected and wanting DC to be a state is clear.

Maryland and Virginia do not establish policies based on DC residents. Yet Bowser has done just that.

As the PP states, you can't govern when the "victim card" is all your rely upon.

This. Unintelligible.

Does the word irony confuse you?

Of course I understand the statistics, but the metric isn't really that valuable. It's not a zero sum game in which every shot only benefits the recipient. The more vaccine that goes into the DMV, the better. The fact that we have porous borders with MD and VA means that we are all interdependent. I don't give a crap where my kid's teachers sleep at night as long as they get their damned shots and our DC school will finally open up.

There is a similar issue with a large percentage of NY shots going to NJ residents who come into NYC to work.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is moving to residents with health conditions next week and getting more vaccine doses than ever. I have no concerns that we are on a perfectly acceptable pace for vaccinating residents.

You are hilarious. Np, it is not acceptable to have 3.1% of residents complete as per city paper article-- when many states (with far more logistical hurdles) are at 5 or 6 %. This is a conscious decision by DC rulership to deny vaccine to residents.

Yes, it's a conscious decision to prioritize the workforce; an approach that might not be your favorite but is scientifically valid. DC is giving out all the vaccines it has to residents and workers, and trying to reach underserved populations. We've moved to residents with health conditions, which is wonderful news for those who are high risk due to their health issues. The percentage of non-residents is expected to fall now that teachers and healthcare professionals (a huge group) is done.

As far as I am concerned, the employees who interact with DC residents for 8 hours a day are just as important to our coronavirus spread (which has fallen to orange) as anyone.

We are going into month four of vaccination efforts. DC Health care workers and in person teachers and childcare workers have been vaccinated. Other "workers" are being offered DC vaccine, when they have the option to be vaccinated in their states. DC residents don't have that option. The stats prove that DC is way out of whack with every other state in vaccinating residents. Like, by half as much. Apparently DC does not care about "underserved populations" or they would focus on DC residents-BUT TOO HARD. Fixed that for you.

What on earth do you mean? DC residents absolutely can get vaccinated in another state where they work. I am a DC resident under 65 who was vaccinated at my job site in Virginia. My best friends lives in Maryland but got vaccinated in Virginia where she teaches.

I can help you understand PP! Far more workers come into the District to work than leave to work (like you). This has resulted in a sharp disparity between the number of out of staters DC is vaccinating with the vaccine allotted based on DCs resident population, as compared to MD and VA. While that is happy for you, it does not create equity for the other residents of DC. According to an article in this week's City Paper, only 3.1 % of DC residents have received both vaccines. According to the Washington Post, here are the stats for the rest of the country. Our small city of 500,000 -- many who are minority and low SES-- is dead last in the nation for vaccinating residents. I hope this helps you to understand what is being discussed in this thread.

The third column in the data below is complete vaccinations. The DC data is incorrect, because it is aggregating residents with out of state residents. The real figure is 3.1 . Of course, DC has vaccinated an amount equal to that who are from our of state--effectively giving away 1 does out of state for every dose given to a resident. Every single state in the country is ahead of DC, some by 3X as much, and therefore the 'pace' of vaccinating residents of DC is significantly lower than the 'pace' of vaccinating residents of other states.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/covid-vaccine-states-distribution-doses/?itid=sn_coronavirus_3/
Republic of Palau 7,073 39.5% 16.9%
American Samoa 18,816 33.8% 14%
Alaska 154,392 21.1% 11.6%
Guam 32,809 19.8% 10.5%
New Mexico 404,641 19.3% 9.6%
South Dakota 159,128 18% 8.8%
Northern Mariana Islands 9,696 17% 11.7%
Connecticut 602,697 16.9% 7.8%
North Dakota 128,669 16.9% 8.6%
West Virginia 293,891 16.4% 9.9%
Marshall Islands 9,462 16.2% 3.2%
Massachusetts 1,100,775 16% 5.7%
Wyoming 92,151 15.9% 7.5%
Hawaii 224,806 15.9% 7.7%
Montana 169,164 15.8% 6.8%
District of Columbia 110,923 15.7% 7.9%
Vermont 96,215 15.4% 7.6%
Arizona 1,121,773 15.4% 5.5%
Maine 205,886 15.3% 6.8%
Oklahoma 600,293 15.2% 7.6%
Wisconsin 869,836 14.9% 6.5%
Iowa 457,493 14.5% 4.8%
Colorado 832,798 14.5% 6.8%
Minnesota 800,484 14.2% 6.5%
Illinois 1,786,799 14.1% 4.7%
California 5,569,473 14.1% 5.3%
Virginia 1,197,154 14% 6.3%
New Hampshire 190,064 14% 6.2%
Rhode Island 147,118 13.9% 6.1%
Delaware 135,175 13.9% 5.2%
Nebraska 266,231 13.8% 6.4%
New Jersey 1,205,639 13.6% 6.2%
Washington 1,033,551 13.6% 5.8%
Oregon 568,729 13.5% 6.9%
Florida 2,884,231 13.4% 7%
Pennsylvania 1,709,641 13.4% 5.2%
Nevada 410,093 13.3% 6%
North Carolina 1,389,913 13.3% 6.9%
Indiana 887,936 13.2% 6.1%
Kentucky 579,549 13% 6%
Ohio 1,515,448 13% 6.1%
Michigan 1,288,410 12.9% 6.8%
Idaho 229,220 12.8% 5.6%
Louisiana 596,165 12.8% 6.7%
South Carolina 654,169 12.7% 5.2%
Maryland 764,026 12.6% 6.1%
New York 2,433,665 12.5% 6.4%
Kansas 360,817 12.4% 5.2%
Arkansas 372,786 12.4% 5.4%
Missouri 747,804 12.2% 5.7%
Mississippi 357,173 12% 5%
Alabama 580,477 11.8% 4.8%
Federated States of Micronesia 12,196 11.8% 2.3%
Georgia 1,213,224 11.4% 5.9%
Texas 3,309,933 11.4% 5.1%
Tennessee 767,826 11.2% 5.4%
Virgin Islands 11,669 11.1% 5%
Utah 356,619 11.1% 4.6%
Puerto Rico 322,212 10.1% 4.9%

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Anonymous wrote:DC is moving to residents with health conditions next week and getting more vaccine doses than ever. I have no concerns that we are on a perfectly acceptable pace for vaccinating residents.

You are hilarious. Np, it is not acceptable to have 3.1% of residents complete as per city paper article-- when many states (with far more logistical hurdles) are at 5 or 6 %. This is a conscious decision by DC rulership to deny vaccine to residents.

Yes, it's a conscious decision to prioritize the workforce; an approach that might not be your favorite but is scientifically valid. DC is giving out all the vaccines it has to residents and workers, and trying to reach underserved populations. We've moved to residents with health conditions, which is wonderful news for those who are high risk due to their health issues. The percentage of non-residents is expected to fall now that teachers and healthcare professionals (a huge group) is done.

As far as I am concerned, the employees who interact with DC residents for 8 hours a day are just as important to our coronavirus spread (which has fallen to orange) as anyone.

We are going into month four of vaccination efforts. DC Health care workers and in person teachers and childcare workers have been vaccinated. Other "workers" are being offered DC vaccine, when they have the option to be vaccinated in their states. DC residents don't have that option. The stats prove that DC is way out of whack with every other state in vaccinating residents. Like, by half as much. Apparently DC does not care about "underserved populations" or they would focus on DC residents-BUT TOO HARD. Fixed that for you.

What on earth do you mean? DC residents absolutely can get vaccinated in another state where they work. I am a DC resident under 65 who was vaccinated at my job site in Virginia. My best friends lives in Maryland but got vaccinated in Virginia where she teaches.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is moving to residents with health conditions next week and getting more vaccine doses than ever. I have no concerns that we are on a perfectly acceptable pace for vaccinating residents.

You are hilarious. Np, it is not acceptable to have 3.1% of residents complete as per city paper article-- when many states (with far more logistical hurdles) are at 5 or 6 %. This is a conscious decision by DC rulership to deny vaccine to residents.

Yes, it's a conscious decision to prioritize the workforce; an approach that might not be your favorite but is scientifically valid. DC is giving out all the vaccines it has to residents and workers, and trying to reach underserved populations. We've moved to residents with health conditions, which is wonderful news for those who are high risk due to their health issues. The percentage of non-residents is expected to fall now that teachers and healthcare professionals (a huge group) is done.

As far as I am concerned, the employees who interact with DC residents for 8 hours a day are just as important to our coronavirus spread (which has fallen to orange) as anyone.

We are going into month four of vaccination efforts. DC Health care workers and in person teachers and childcare workers have been vaccinated. Other "workers" are being offered DC vaccine, when they have the option to be vaccinated in their states. DC residents don't have that option. The stats prove that DC is way out of whack with every other state in vaccinating residents. Like, by half as much. Apparently DC does not care about "underserved populations" or they would focus on DC residents-BUT TOO HARD. Fixed that for you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is moving to residents with health conditions next week and getting more vaccine doses than ever. I have no concerns that we are on a perfectly acceptable pace for vaccinating residents.

You are hilarious. Np, it is not acceptable to have 3.1% of residents complete as per city paper article-- when many states (with far more logistical hurdles) are at 5 or 6 %. This is a conscious decision by DC rulership to deny vaccine to residents.

Yes, it's a conscious decision to prioritize the workforce; an approach that might not be your favorite but is scientifically valid. DC is giving out all the vaccines it has to residents and workers, and trying to reach underserved populations. We've moved to residents with health conditions, which is wonderful news for those who are high risk due to their health issues. The percentage of non-residents is expected to fall now that teachers and healthcare professionals (a huge group) is done.

As far as I am concerned, the employees who interact with DC residents for 8 hours a day are just as important to our coronavirus spread (which has fallen to orange) as anyone.

Anonymous wrote:DC is moving to residents with health conditions next week and getting more vaccine doses than ever. I have no concerns that we are on a perfectly acceptable pace for vaccinating residents.

You are hilarious. Np, it is not acceptable to have 3.1% of residents complete as per city paper article-- when many states (with far more logistical hurdles) are at 5 or 6 %. This is a conscious decision by DC rulership to deny vaccine to residents.

DC is moving to residents with health conditions next week and getting more vaccine doses than ever. I have no concerns that we are on a perfectly acceptable pace for vaccinating residents.

Anonymous wrote:The irony of Bowser's statements on the DMV being interconnected and wanting DC to be a state is clear.

Maryland and Virginia do not establish policies based on DC residents. Yet Bowser has done just that.

As the PP states, you can't govern when the "victim card" is all your rely upon.

This. Unintelligible.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here.

I am willing to bet that, relatively speaking, very FEW folks live in DC and then travel elsewhere to work in the DMV compared to VA and MD residents coming in.

DC is taking the brunt of Bowser and her leadership failures.

Have you looked at how many DC residents were tested for Covid vs the number of tests given?

Our COVID hospitalizations are not due to DC residents either.

And yet - criteria from these "goal posts" keep our kids out of school and the city remains shut down

Yes--the numbers "kept" by the city have been dreadfully opaque. They do not make clear - at all-- which statistics are residents and which are out of state. It's taking investigative journalism (not enough IMO, but thankfully some) to do this. And as you astutely point out, the city meanwhile bases policy on garbage data.

Does it matter whether people hospitalized with covid here are residents or not? The city is incredibly interconnected with the region, and huge numbers of people who work in the city live elsewhere -- but they're still spending most of their waking hours in D.C. There can't be many other cities like that, where the bulk of the people who work in the city are residents of another STATE (another city, sure, but not another state).

the point is DC is using garbage data. if they were transparent about resident/non resident--you could have an actual discussion about policy. The "rates" on the CDC, New York Times etc Covid tracker make it look like DC is doing a GREAT job in vaccinating residents. According to the City Paper article this week, the truer figure is about 3.1% of residents are fully vaccinating. This is falling behind many other states. They also have no clue about ethnicity or vaccine wastage. Yet they are crafting policy around their assumptions.

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Well, head on over to Virginia for a vaccine, then. All you need is an address to sign up and they won't ask for proof of residency. They also understand that it's in all of our interests to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible without throwing up too many barriers.

I think most of know eventually there will be an accounting for line skippers. It may be tempting now, but most of us would like to follow a legal and ethical process. I am sure those that don't will eventually see repercussions when the dust settles. As they should.

This seems extremely unlikely. Who is going to follow up and track down people who got vaccinated in another state or under false pretenses? You should follow the rules because they're the rules, and by and large, they're aiming to be fair, but let's not pretend there's any likelihood of actual consequences if you don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here.

I am willing to bet that, relatively speaking, very FEW folks live in DC and then travel elsewhere to work in the DMV compared to VA and MD residents coming in.

DC is taking the brunt of Bowser and her leadership failures.

Have you looked at how many DC residents were tested for Covid vs the number of tests given?

Our COVID hospitalizations are not due to DC residents either.

And yet - criteria from these "goal posts" keep our kids out of school and the city remains shut down

Yes--the numbers "kept" by the city have been dreadfully opaque. They do not make clear - at all-- which statistics are residents and which are out of state. It's taking investigative journalism (not enough IMO, but thankfully some) to do this. And as you astutely point out, the city meanwhile bases policy on garbage data.

Does it matter whether people hospitalized with covid here are residents or not? The city is incredibly interconnected with the region, and huge numbers of people who work in the city live elsewhere -- but they're still spending most of their waking hours in D.C. There can't be many other cities like that, where the bulk of the people who work in the city are residents of another STATE (another city, sure, but not another state).