Anonymous
01/01/2021 18:13
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
Yet USNWR has Brown #1 for undergraduate teaching... it's about perspective, what criteria is important to the student, and of course, subjectivity. These are all great schools 99% of students would love the chance to attend. These "groupings" are ridiculous.
Yes. The groupings are ridiculous and are ultimately arbitrary.
In academia, professors go seamlessly within the schools of the Ivy League (except for Dartmouth for most disciplines, as it’s not a research university) and schools like Northwestern, UChicago, Berkeley, Michigan, and Stanford. I’ve been in a position for the fed gov’t to put together panels of academics from all of these schools. I’ve seen them work together and socialize. They clearly consider one another part of the same circles.
I have family members who are professors and have confirmed this.
Certain groupings may mean something to the general public, but for the people who actually live in this world, they mean little.
I agree with everything you said except that Dartmouth regained its R1 status.
https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2019/02/r1-mcgill
Dartmouth is the epitome of a has-been/hanger-on. They can’t ever seem to get a handle on what direction to pull their university (or “College”) in. I predict it’ll go down the path of W&M in the next couple of decades. If they’re really trying to now compete with other research universities in their tier, they’ve just reefated themselves to dead last place.
Sorry they rejected you.
Dartmouth will be just fine, as they have for a few hundred years now.
It just baffles me why people think it is insightful to post stuff like this.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 18:12
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
*relegated
Anonymous
01/01/2021 18:11
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
Yet USNWR has Brown #1 for undergraduate teaching... it's about perspective, what criteria is important to the student, and of course, subjectivity. These are all great schools 99% of students would love the chance to attend. These "groupings" are ridiculous.
Yes. The groupings are ridiculous and are ultimately arbitrary.
In academia, professors go seamlessly within the schools of the Ivy League (except for Dartmouth for most disciplines, as it’s not a research university) and schools like Northwestern, UChicago, Berkeley, Michigan, and Stanford. I’ve been in a position for the fed gov’t to put together panels of academics from all of these schools. I’ve seen them work together and socialize. They clearly consider one another part of the same circles.
I have family members who are professors and have confirmed this.
Certain groupings may mean something to the general public, but for the people who actually live in this world, they mean little.
I agree with everything you said except that Dartmouth regained its R1 status.
https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2019/02/r1-mcgill
Dartmouth is the epitome of a has-been/hanger-on. They can’t ever seem to get a handle on what direction to pull their university (or “College”) in. I predict it’ll go down the path of W&M in the next couple of decades. If they’re really trying to now compete with other research universities in their tier, they’ve just reefated themselves to dead last place.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 18:04
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
Yet USNWR has Brown #1 for undergraduate teaching... it's about perspective, what criteria is important to the student, and of course, subjectivity. These are all great schools 99% of students would love the chance to attend. These "groupings" are ridiculous.
Yes. The groupings are ridiculous and are ultimately arbitrary.
In academia, professors go seamlessly within the schools of the Ivy League (except for Dartmouth for most disciplines, as it’s not a research university) and schools like Northwestern, UChicago, Berkeley, Michigan, and Stanford. I’ve been in a position for the fed gov’t to put together panels of academics from all of these schools. I’ve seen them work together and socialize. They clearly consider one another part of the same circles.
I have family members who are professors and have confirmed this.
Certain groupings may mean something to the general public, but for the people who actually live in this world, they mean little.
I agree with everything you said except that Dartmouth regained its R1 status.
https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2019/02/r1-mcgill
Anonymous
01/01/2021 18:03
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
Yet USNWR has Brown #1 for undergraduate teaching... it's about perspective, what criteria is important to the student, and of course, subjectivity. These are all great schools 99% of students would love the chance to attend. These "groupings" are ridiculous.
Yes. The groupings are ridiculous and are ultimately arbitrary.
In academia, professors go seamlessly within the schools of the Ivy League (except for Dartmouth for most disciplines, as it’s not a research university) and schools like Northwestern, UChicago, Berkeley, Michigan, and Stanford. I’ve been in a position for the fed gov’t to put together panels of academics from all of these schools. I’ve seen them work together and socialize. They clearly consider one another part of the same circles.
I have family members who are professors and have confirmed this.
Certain groupings may mean something to the general public, but for the people who actually live in this world, they mean little.
I mean, even for educated laypeople it’s clear that these schools are all peers. Like mentioned previously, Ivy League + Northwestern, UChicago, Berkeley, Michigan, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and yes, Hopkins.
It’s only the uninformed who would claim otherwise.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:54
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
Yet USNWR has Brown #1 for undergraduate teaching... it's about perspective, what criteria is important to the student, and of course, subjectivity. These are all great schools 99% of students would love the chance to attend. These "groupings" are ridiculous.
Yes. The groupings are ridiculous and are ultimately arbitrary.
In academia, professors go seamlessly within the schools of the Ivy League (except for Dartmouth for most disciplines, as it’s not a research university) and schools like Northwestern, UChicago, Berkeley, Michigan, and Stanford. I’ve been in a position for the fed gov’t to put together panels of academics from all of these schools. I’ve seen them work together and socialize. They clearly consider one another part of the same circles.
I have family members who are professors and have confirmed this.
Certain groupings may mean something to the general public, but for the people who actually live in this world, they mean little.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:50
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
Yet USNWR has Brown #1 for undergraduate teaching... it's about perspective, what criteria is important to the student, and of course, subjectivity. These are all great schools 99% of students would love the chance to attend. These "groupings" are ridiculous.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:48
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:44
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, so Michigan—which DCUM hates on constantly—is ranked in the QS 2021 rankings above Dartmouth and Brown, when it comes to Ivy League schools.
Brown is #60 and Dartmouth is #203.
UChicago—another target of DCUM ire—is #9. The only Ivy ranked above is Harvard.
Oh and UVA is #217.
Hilarious.
Michigan is a VERY good school. I'd have no qualms at all sending my kid to Michigan over Brown or Dartmouth.
I totally agree. In terms of broad strengths across disciplines, Michigan is superior to Brown and Dartmouth.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:38
Subject: Re:Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Top universities by publishing:
https://www.umultirank.org/university-rankings/top-performing-universities/2018/research-publications/
Dartmouth, Brown, and Northwestern aren't even in the top 25 in the world while JHU is. Hopkins even produces more original research than even MIT, CalTech, and Princeton.
Hopkins is also a top 10 university in THE WORLD for producing patents, and produces more intellectual material than Penn, Brown, Cornell, Duke, Harvard, Princeton, CalTech, Michigan, Northwestern, Yale, and Columbia. Hopkins impacts on the economy is huge.
The only reason JHU isn't higher on rankings is because they're way more skewed to being a pure research institution and catering more to PhD level training than their undergrads. They're trying to change it, but people severely underestimated how much original research and value added to the economy that JHU pumps out for its size.
Forgot to add the source for the patents:
https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2020-2019-top-100.pdf
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:37
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Wait, so Michigan—which DCUM hates on constantly—is ranked in the QS 2021 rankings above Dartmouth and Brown, when it comes to Ivy League schools.
Brown is #60 and Dartmouth is #203.
UChicago—another target of DCUM ire—is #9. The only Ivy ranked above is Harvard.
Oh and UVA is #217.
Hilarious.
Michigan is a VERY good school. I'd have no qualms at all sending my kid to Michigan over Brown or Dartmouth.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:36
Subject: Re:Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Top universities by publishing:
https://www.umultirank.org/university-rankings/top-performing-universities/2018/research-publications/
Dartmouth, Brown, and Northwestern aren't even in the top 25 in the world while JHU is. Hopkins even produces more original research than even MIT, CalTech, and Princeton.
Hopkins is also a top 10 university in THE WORLD for producing patents, and produces more intellectual material than Penn, Brown, Cornell, Duke, Harvard, Princeton, CalTech, Michigan, Northwestern, Yale, and Columbia. Hopkins impacts on the economy is huge.
The only reason JHU isn't higher on rankings is because they're way more skewed to being a pure research institution and catering more to PhD level training than their undergrads. They're trying to change it, but people severely underestimated how much original research and value added to the economy that JHU pumps out for its size.
https://www.umultirank.org/university-rankings/top-performing-universities/2018/research-publications/
Dartmouth, Brown, and Northwestern aren't even in the top 25 in the world while JHU is. Hopkins even produces more original research than even MIT, CalTech, and Princeton.
Hopkins is also a top 10 university in THE WORLD for producing patents, and produces more intellectual material than Penn, Brown, Cornell, Duke, Harvard, Princeton, CalTech, Michigan, Northwestern, Yale, and Columbia. Hopkins impacts on the economy is huge.
The only reason JHU isn't higher on rankings is because they're way more skewed to being a pure research institution and catering more to PhD level training than their undergrads. They're trying to change it, but people severely underestimated how much original research and value added to the economy that JHU pumps out for its size.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:31
Subject: Re:Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:USNWR is trash. Go with the global rankings that aren't so US specific:
https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats
Both have JHU > NW, Duke, Dartmouth, and Brown.
No one was even referencing rankings. So then by this measure you’d say Cornell and Michigan are better schools than JHU? Got it.
Except THE has JHU above Cornell, Michigan and Columbia.
Not that straight forward.
Got it?
It's all about methodology.
60% of the ratings from that survey are on research and research results.
JHU, with possibly the greatest medical school in the world, obviously does well there, as it should. However, this has nearly zero reflection on the value of undergraduate experiences there.
However I am among those who think micro-ratings are ridiculous. A top student can be better off at JHU than Yale, or at Michigan than Columbia, etc etc.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:31
Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Wait, so Michigan—which DCUM hates on constantly—is ranked in the QS 2021 rankings above Dartmouth and Brown, when it comes to Ivy League schools.
Brown is #60 and Dartmouth is #203.
UChicago—another target of DCUM ire—is #9. The only Ivy ranked above is Harvard.
Oh and UVA is #217.
Hilarious.
Brown is #60 and Dartmouth is #203.
UChicago—another target of DCUM ire—is #9. The only Ivy ranked above is Harvard.
Oh and UVA is #217.
Hilarious.
Anonymous
01/01/2021 17:26
Subject: Re:Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:USNWR is trash. Go with the global rankings that aren't so US specific:
https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats
Both have JHU > NW, Duke, Dartmouth, and Brown.
No one was even referencing rankings. So then by this measure you’d say Cornell and Michigan are better schools than JHU? Got it.
Except THE has JHU above Cornell, Michigan and Columbia.
Not that straight forward.
Got it?
DCUM’s head will explode if they see any ranking that places a non-Ivy above an Ivy.