Anonymous
Post 01/19/2021 20:22     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
Anonymous wrote:New boarddocs are up. Option C is recommended, so Spring Hill students no longer go to Longfellow or McLean.


Link please!
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2021 11:24     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
Anonymous wrote:New boarddocs are up. Option C is recommended, so Spring Hill students no longer go to Longfellow or McLean.


The Board Docs have been up since last Friday. What's being recommended is a modified version of Option C. Some Spring Hill/Longfellow/McLean students would move to Cooper/Langley; others now at Spring Hill (the area bounded by International Drive, the Dulles Toll Road, 495, and Westpark Drive/Tysons Blvd) would remain at Longfellow/McLean.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2021 11:07     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
New boarddocs are up. Option C is recommended, so Spring Hill students no longer go to Longfellow or McLean.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2021 10:42     Subject: Re:Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
Anonymous wrote:Is this typically how a boundary change is done? Small tiny tweaks or is it because there is a pandemic? Will there be more tweaks in the future?

Moving a tiny part of an already split feeder hardly seems like a solution to the over enrollment at McLean and under enrollment at Langley.


The response to the overcrowding has been to relocate and install a modular that increases McLean’s capacity by 350 students, propose a boundary change that by 2024-25 would reassign over 9% of Longfellow/McLean to Cooper/Langley, and do a deeper analysis of growth in Tysons that may support a future permanent addition.

That is more than a tweak. If we weren’t in a pandemic and they had more confidence in their ability to project future enrollments they might have proposed to move slightly more students. Maybe they should hold off entirely until they have a better handle on post-Covid enrollments, but reassigning more students now than they are now proposing would be risky.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2021 10:16     Subject: Re:Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
Is this typically how a boundary change is done? Small tiny tweaks or is it because there is a pandemic? Will there be more tweaks in the future?

Moving a tiny part of an already split feeder hardly seems like a solution to the over enrollment at McLean and under enrollment at Langley.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2021 00:40     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:The change is kind of ridiculous. It won’t help the overcrowding at McLean for years.


With the modular McLean is projected to be under capacity with the proposed boundary change by 2024-25.

They should have built an addition at McLean years ago, not added seats at Langley where they weren’t needed, but given where things now stand the staff’s recommendation is a sensible way to balance the enrollments.


Which means we will be stuck with ridiculous split feeders for years. They should get rid of those now while they have the chance.


There have been split feeders in FCPS for many decades. This isn't something new.

People rarely complain about split feeders when they split to the wealthier school. Few at Franklin Sherman zoned for Langley have been pleading to be reassigned to McLean, even though about 90% of FS goes to McLean, and few at Lemon Road or Westgate zoned for McLean have been pleading to be reassigned to Marshall, even though about 80% of LR and Westgate go to Marshall.

I trust FCPS sees through the whining, and will make a decision soon and move on. They already ruled out moving all the Longfellow/McLean kids at Colvin Run and Spring Hill to Cooper/Langley, as it would move too many kids, leave McLean over 15% under-capacity in a few years, and create more problems at Cooper during its upcoming renovation.


I’d really love to know how you could possibly be privy to any of that. Please cite your source.


You know it’s true, and so does the School Board. It’s been the case with this boundary study, which began in late 2019, and it’s been the case with prior boundary changes as well.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2021 00:32     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:So is it too late to get Colvin Run added in? Who do we contact?


Contact Elaine Tholen. Then contact the Colvin Run Principal and see who he/she recommends to contact. There are definitely region assistant superintendents you can contact as well as the people who actually did the “study”.

These people tend to listen to the loudest voices and their “studies” are flawed and contain little actual data.

They should really move all of Colvin run and all of Spring Hill to cooper/Langley and eliminate the split feeders.


They really should not, nor will they. They ran those numbers and it doesn’t work. That’s why it wasn’t one of the options presented in December or the staff’s final recommendation.


DP. Of course they should. Split feeders are ridiculous and serve no one.


They serve a lot of kids and have for decades.

Feel free to make your case that you have a better handle on the numbers than those who actually ran them and rejected what you’re asking for.

Anonymous
Post 01/18/2021 00:20     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:The change is kind of ridiculous. It won’t help the overcrowding at McLean for years.


With the modular McLean is projected to be under capacity with the proposed boundary change by 2024-25.

They should have built an addition at McLean years ago, not added seats at Langley where they weren’t needed, but given where things now stand the staff’s recommendation is a sensible way to balance the enrollments.


Which means we will be stuck with ridiculous split feeders for years. They should get rid of those now while they have the chance.


There have been split feeders in FCPS for many decades. This isn't something new.

People rarely complain about split feeders when they split to the wealthier school. Few at Franklin Sherman zoned for Langley have been pleading to be reassigned to McLean, even though about 90% of FS goes to McLean, and few at Lemon Road or Westgate zoned for McLean have been pleading to be reassigned to Marshall, even though about 80% of LR and Westgate go to Marshall.

I trust FCPS sees through the whining, and will make a decision soon and move on. They already ruled out moving all the Longfellow/McLean kids at Colvin Run and Spring Hill to Cooper/Langley, as it would move too many kids, leave McLean over 15% under-capacity in a few years, and create more problems at Cooper during its upcoming renovation.


I’d really love to know how you could possibly be privy to any of that. Please cite your source.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2021 00:17     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:The change is kind of ridiculous. It won’t help the overcrowding at McLean for years.


With the modular McLean is projected to be under capacity with the proposed boundary change by 2024-25.

They should have built an addition at McLean years ago, not added seats at Langley where they weren’t needed, but given where things now stand the staff’s recommendation is a sensible way to balance the enrollments.


Which means we will be stuck with ridiculous split feeders for years. They should get rid of those now while they have the chance.


+100
But this is FCPS - and that makes way too much sense.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2021 00:12     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:So is it too late to get Colvin Run added in? Who do we contact?


Contact Elaine Tholen. Then contact the Colvin Run Principal and see who he/she recommends to contact. There are definitely region assistant superintendents you can contact as well as the people who actually did the “study”.

These people tend to listen to the loudest voices and their “studies” are flawed and contain little actual data.

They should really move all of Colvin run and all of Spring Hill to cooper/Langley and eliminate the split feeders.


They really should not, nor will they. They ran those numbers and it doesn’t work. That’s why it wasn’t one of the options presented in December or the staff’s final recommendation.


DP. Of course they should. Split feeders are ridiculous and serve no one.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2021 22:42     Subject: Re:Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:Dumb not to move the Colvin Run kids and get rid of it as a split feeder


Not dumb if you think it would have been a bad idea to just move more SFHs into Langley. And the Colvin Run area is still closer to McLean than to Langley.


? No it’s not. My kids went to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley. McLean/Longfellow would have been farther away for us.


Colvin Run looks closer to Langley. Does it really matter if more SFHs go to Langley. Langley already has mostly all SFHs. What’s a few more?


PP here and I agree with you. This picking between SFHs, townhouses, and apartments, all in some misguided effort to make each school “equal,” is asinine.


And Tysons apartments aren’t cheap. You are not a free lunch kid living in those new apartments in Tysons.



Langley currently is almost all SFHs and the average price is probably over $1.2M. The few townhouses generally start for over $775K.

Some of the units in Tysons that would move to Langley under the staff’s recommendation aren’t new and go for around $400K. And they also propose to move some rental apartments, which would also be a first for Langley.

Seems sensible to add some greater housing diversity there, even if it still doesn’t result in Langley having a FARMS rate close to any other neighborhood high school in FCPS. Those kids already attend an elementary school that sends many kids to Langley (Spring Hill) and they won’t have to travel as far to get to Langley as many kids in Great Falls already do (or were traveling before classes went virtual).
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2021 22:15     Subject: Re:Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:Dumb not to move the Colvin Run kids and get rid of it as a split feeder


Not dumb if you think it would have been a bad idea to just move more SFHs into Langley. And the Colvin Run area is still closer to McLean than to Langley.


? No it’s not. My kids went to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley. McLean/Longfellow would have been farther away for us.


Colvin Run looks closer to Langley. Does it really matter if more SFHs go to Langley. Langley already has mostly all SFHs. What’s a few more?


PP here and I agree with you. This picking between SFHs, townhouses, and apartments, all in some misguided effort to make each school “equal,” is asinine.


And Tysons apartments aren’t cheap. You are not a free lunch kid living in those new apartments in Tysons.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2021 15:13     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
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Anonymous wrote:The change is kind of ridiculous. It won’t help the overcrowding at McLean for years.


With the modular McLean is projected to be under capacity with the proposed boundary change by 2024-25.

They should have built an addition at McLean years ago, not added seats at Langley where they weren’t needed, but given where things now stand the staff’s recommendation is a sensible way to balance the enrollments.


Which means we will be stuck with ridiculous split feeders for years. They should get rid of those now while they have the chance.


There have been split feeders in FCPS for many decades. This isn't something new.

People rarely complain about split feeders when they split to the wealthier school. Few at Franklin Sherman zoned for Langley have been pleading to be reassigned to McLean, even though about 90% of FS goes to McLean, and few at Lemon Road or Westgate zoned for McLean have been pleading to be reassigned to Marshall, even though about 80% of LR and Westgate go to Marshall.

I trust FCPS sees through the whining, and will make a decision soon and move on. They already ruled out moving all the Longfellow/McLean kids at Colvin Run and Spring Hill to Cooper/Langley, as it would move too many kids, leave McLean over 15% under-capacity in a few years, and create more problems at Cooper during its upcoming renovation.

Send all of westgate and lemon road to Marshall, all of spring Hill and colvin to Langley


Marshall doesn't have the extra capacity and FCPS isn't going to move all of Spring Hill and Colvin Run to Cooper/Langley and leave McLean 15-20% under-capacity.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2021 15:07     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
Anonymous wrote:So what is the best option a, b, or c. Looks like a and c moves all of Spring Hill Kids going to LMS and MHS to CMS and Langley.


These options have been superseded by a final staff recommendation to move some of the Spring Hill students currently at LMS/MHS to CMS/LHS. Option A never involved Spring Hill students.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2021 14:53     Subject: Mclean boundary changes - can someone please update?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The change is kind of ridiculous. It won’t help the overcrowding at McLean for years.


With the modular McLean is projected to be under capacity with the proposed boundary change by 2024-25.

They should have built an addition at McLean years ago, not added seats at Langley where they weren’t needed, but given where things now stand the staff’s recommendation is a sensible way to balance the enrollments.


Which means we will be stuck with ridiculous split feeders for years. They should get rid of those now while they have the chance.


There have been split feeders in FCPS for many decades. This isn't something new.

People rarely complain about split feeders when they split to the wealthier school. Few at Franklin Sherman zoned for Langley have been pleading to be reassigned to McLean, even though about 90% of FS goes to McLean, and few at Lemon Road or Westgate zoned for McLean have been pleading to be reassigned to Marshall, even though about 80% of LR and Westgate go to Marshall.

I trust FCPS sees through the whining, and will make a decision soon and move on. They already ruled out moving all the Longfellow/McLean kids at Colvin Run and Spring Hill to Cooper/Langley, as it would move too many kids, leave McLean over 15% under-capacity in a few years, and create more problems at Cooper during its upcoming renovation.

Send all of westgate and lemon road to Marshall, all of spring Hill and colvin to Langley