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Anonymous wrote:I love the parents who are angry because they think they are doing the teacher’s job. Teachers do YOUR job all day long and have for eternity. I blow noses, clean up bodily fluids, hold them when they cry, talk to them about problems at home, buy coats and sneakers for kids who don’t have appropriate clothing, and feed them. Teachers don’t get to complain about anything or people scream that it’s all “for the kids” which they weaponize against us to get us to work unpaid overtime, spend our own money on classroom supplies, and take on additional roles at work. Now it’s parents’ turn. You shouldn’t mind going above and beyond for your child right now. It’s all for them, right? Or do you just not care about your kids? Because that’s what the public, administration, and everyone else says to us when we say we are struggling.

So in your world, you think parents (ie moms) should accompany kids into the classroom to blow their noses?

You're struggling due to your own choices and the choices of your union.

Anonymous wrote:I love the parents who are angry because they think they are doing the teacher’s job. Teachers do YOUR job all day long and have for eternity. I blow noses, clean up bodily fluids, hold them when they cry, talk to them about problems at home, buy coats and sneakers for kids who don’t have appropriate clothing, and feed them. Teachers don’t get to complain about anything or people scream that it’s all “for the kids” which they weaponize against us to get us to work unpaid overtime, spend our own money on classroom supplies, and take on additional roles at work. Now it’s parents’ turn. You shouldn’t mind going above and beyond for your child right now. It’s all for them, right? Or do you just not care about your kids? Because that’s what the public, administration, and everyone else says to us when we say we are struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to learn how to parent. Maybe start living in joint families.

How dare you? I know how to parent. And if someone would pay me $100,000 a year to teach my child that would be one thing, but I am being expected to do that for free. I have a job. I cannot do it and also a second, unpaid job that I am not being paid for and that forces me to work an additional 8 hours for free. FIX DISTANCE LEARNING and take responsibility for your students.

So, I can come through zoom and wake your child up? I can give your child breakfast so that they can focus? I can take the legos, stuffed animals, and video games away from him so he can actually focus on learning? I can give him a quiet background so that he can learn? I can sit with him for 4 hours to review all that he/she refused to get during instructional time? I can do his assignments for him? I can prep him for tests since he missed a lot of assignments? I cannot do ANY of these things. I can provide instruction, encourage, mentor, and have additional zoom time within reason to help him/her but I cannot do all of the above. That is the parent's job.

It's funny, because you actually can do most of these things, in a building called a school. You just refuse to.

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The problem with these arguments that DL provides an adequate education *as long as parents fill in all the gaps* is that if the job of teaching, especially at an elementary level, can be done over Zoom from your home while providing childcare to your own kids, then it probably shouldn't pay very much.

I know teachers are working a lot. The problem is that 90% of what they are doing isn't educating kids. They are troubleshooting technology, they are performing administrative tasks that administration to make unrealistic claims about attendance and participation. Even the actual instruction is so poor, not necessarily because the teachers are bad (though some of them are), but because none of them were trained to teach in this way and most do not have the skill set to do it effectively.

I am happy to admit that as a parent, I am doing a subpar job of helping my kid learn via DL. I'm trying my best, but I'm not an educator, I find the technology clunky and frustrating, and I'm distracted much of the time due to my own job and the stress of having the whole family working and learning in our house for months on end. But at least I can admit that. I'm not a good teacher! I am a great parent but I don't know much about how to teach a small child how to read. I would love to have an actual professional educator do it instead. But DL has not offered that.

So yeah, we should probably open schools, unless school districts can magically figure out how to make DL effective at teaching kids things like basic literacy. It's one or the other.

Regardless of DL, many of us have spent a lot of time filling in the gaps in elementary school. The issue many parents don't notice the gaps as they leave education to the school/teacher and aren't aware of it. With DL they are more aware. We had to do all the basics from handwriting, spelling, grammar, math facts and more at home. And, this was before DL. The issue is the curriculum, not DL vs. in person.

And, as a parent your responsibility is also education. Its also child care.

We are in a pandemic in 2020. We are lucky we have the option to DL. Otherwise we'd all be homeschooling.

Anonymous wrote:I love the parents who are angry because they think they are doing the teacher’s job. Teachers do YOUR job all day long and have for eternity. I blow noses, clean up bodily fluids, hold them when they cry, talk to them about problems at home, buy coats and sneakers for kids who don’t have appropriate clothing, and feed them. Teachers don’t get to complain about anything or people scream that it’s all “for the kids” which they weaponize against us to get us to work unpaid overtime, spend our own money on classroom supplies, and take on additional roles at work. Now it’s parents’ turn. You shouldn’t mind going above and beyond for your child right now. It’s all for them, right? Or do you just not care about your kids? Because that’s what the public, administration, and everyone else says to us when we say we are struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to learn how to parent. Maybe start living in joint families.

How dare you? I know how to parent. And if someone would pay me $100,000 a year to teach my child that would be one thing, but I am being expected to do that for free. I have a job. I cannot do it and also a second, unpaid job that I am not being paid for and that forces me to work an additional 8 hours for free. FIX DISTANCE LEARNING and take responsibility for your students.

So, I can come through zoom and wake your child up? I can give your child breakfast so that they can focus? I can take the legos, stuffed animals, and video games away from him so he can actually focus on learning? I can give him a quiet background so that he can learn? I can sit with him for 4 hours to review all that he/she refused to get during instructional time? I can do his assignments for him? I can prep him for tests since he missed a lot of assignments? I cannot do ANY of these things. I can provide instruction, encourage, mentor, and have additional zoom time within reason to help him/her but I cannot do all of the above. That is the parent's job.

It's funny, because you actually can do most of these things, in a building called a school. You just refuse to.

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The problem with these arguments that DL provides an adequate education *as long as parents fill in all the gaps* is that if the job of teaching, especially at an elementary level, can be done over Zoom from your home while providing childcare to your own kids, then it probably shouldn't pay very much.

I know teachers are working a lot. The problem is that 90% of what they are doing isn't educating kids. They are troubleshooting technology, they are performing administrative tasks that administration to make unrealistic claims about attendance and participation. Even the actual instruction is so poor, not necessarily because the teachers are bad (though some of them are), but because none of them were trained to teach in this way and most do not have the skill set to do it effectively.

I am happy to admit that as a parent, I am doing a subpar job of helping my kid learn via DL. I'm trying my best, but I'm not an educator, I find the technology clunky and frustrating, and I'm distracted much of the time due to my own job and the stress of having the whole family working and learning in our house for months on end. But at least I can admit that. I'm not a good teacher! I am a great parent but I don't know much about how to teach a small child how to read. I would love to have an actual professional educator do it instead. But DL has not offered that.

So yeah, we should probably open schools, unless school districts can magically figure out how to make DL effective at teaching kids things like basic literacy. It's one or the other.

+1 Spot on.

The parents who tend to talk about how much their child is learning in DL are people who don't really understand education and confuse "quiet and not bothering me in front of a screen" with actual learning.

Mine are learning a lot, probably just as much if not more in school. They are doing a heavy focus on writing which is fantastic. My kids are camera on, fed and go to the bathroom. They are one of the few who actually engage with the teacher and participate. They attend all optional sessions as well except when told not to as they have demonstrated knowledge of the material. We make sure all work is done, we make sure if there were errors or low grades and there is an option to redo that they redo and we work with them on the redo. In person, you really don't get that much more but as parents we don't see what's going on. I would like more than 2 hours a week per class and more homework. The math homework is minimal and practice is important. Mine are also in several social clubs at school after school.

We have always worked with our kids. We taught them to read. We taught the math facts, handwriting, typing and much more.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to learn how to parent. Maybe start living in joint families.

How dare you? I know how to parent. And if someone would pay me $100,000 a year to teach my child that would be one thing, but I am being expected to do that for free. I have a job. I cannot do it and also a second, unpaid job that I am not being paid for and that forces me to work an additional 8 hours for free. FIX DISTANCE LEARNING and take responsibility for your students.

So, I can come through zoom and wake your child up? I can give your child breakfast so that they can focus? I can take the legos, stuffed animals, and video games away from him so he can actually focus on learning? I can give him a quiet background so that he can learn? I can sit with him for 4 hours to review all that he/she refused to get during instructional time? I can do his assignments for him? I can prep him for tests since he missed a lot of assignments? I cannot do ANY of these things. I can provide instruction, encourage, mentor, and have additional zoom time within reason to help him/her but I cannot do all of the above. That is the parent's job.

It's funny, because you actually can do most of these things, in a building called a school. You just refuse to.

+1

The problem with these arguments that DL provides an adequate education *as long as parents fill in all the gaps* is that if the job of teaching, especially at an elementary level, can be done over Zoom from your home while providing childcare to your own kids, then it probably shouldn't pay very much.

I know teachers are working a lot. The problem is that 90% of what they are doing isn't educating kids. They are troubleshooting technology, they are performing administrative tasks that administration to make unrealistic claims about attendance and participation. Even the actual instruction is so poor, not necessarily because the teachers are bad (though some of them are), but because none of them were trained to teach in this way and most do not have the skill set to do it effectively.

I am happy to admit that as a parent, I am doing a subpar job of helping my kid learn via DL. I'm trying my best, but I'm not an educator, I find the technology clunky and frustrating, and I'm distracted much of the time due to my own job and the stress of having the whole family working and learning in our house for months on end. But at least I can admit that. I'm not a good teacher! I am a great parent but I don't know much about how to teach a small child how to read. I would love to have an actual professional educator do it instead. But DL has not offered that.

So yeah, we should probably open schools, unless school districts can magically figure out how to make DL effective at teaching kids things like basic literacy. It's one or the other.

+1 Spot on.

The parents who tend to talk about how much their child is learning in DL are people who don't really understand education and confuse "quiet and not bothering me in front of a screen" with actual learning.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to learn how to parent. Maybe start living in joint families.

How dare you? I know how to parent. And if someone would pay me $100,000 a year to teach my child that would be one thing, but I am being expected to do that for free. I have a job. I cannot do it and also a second, unpaid job that I am not being paid for and that forces me to work an additional 8 hours for free. FIX DISTANCE LEARNING and take responsibility for your students.

So, I can come through zoom and wake your child up? I can give your child breakfast so that they can focus? I can take the legos, stuffed animals, and video games away from him so he can actually focus on learning? I can give him a quiet background so that he can learn? I can sit with him for 4 hours to review all that he/she refused to get during instructional time? I can do his assignments for him? I can prep him for tests since he missed a lot of assignments? I cannot do ANY of these things. I can provide instruction, encourage, mentor, and have additional zoom time within reason to help him/her but I cannot do all of the above. That is the parent's job.

It's funny, because you actually can do most of these things, in a building called a school. You just refuse to.

+1

The problem with these arguments that DL provides an adequate education *as long as parents fill in all the gaps* is that if the job of teaching, especially at an elementary level, can be done over Zoom from your home while providing childcare to your own kids, then it probably shouldn't pay very much.

I know teachers are working a lot. The problem is that 90% of what they are doing isn't educating kids. They are troubleshooting technology, they are performing administrative tasks that administration to make unrealistic claims about attendance and participation. Even the actual instruction is so poor, not necessarily because the teachers are bad (though some of them are), but because none of them were trained to teach in this way and most do not have the skill set to do it effectively.

I am happy to admit that as a parent, I am doing a subpar job of helping my kid learn via DL. I'm trying my best, but I'm not an educator, I find the technology clunky and frustrating, and I'm distracted much of the time due to my own job and the stress of having the whole family working and learning in our house for months on end. But at least I can admit that. I'm not a good teacher! I am a great parent but I don't know much about how to teach a small child how to read. I would love to have an actual professional educator do it instead. But DL has not offered that.

So yeah, we should probably open schools, unless school districts can magically figure out how to make DL effective at teaching kids things like basic literacy. It's one or the other.

Anonymous wrote:It's unbelievable to watch people in this thread claim they know better personally than the overwhelming number of educational and public health experts, scientists, and scientific researchers who believe school should be in person and have provided the analysis to support their positions.

Given how off their judgment is in the face of voluminous scientific analysis, I don't think we can trust their judgment. They are like anti-vaxxers who have "done their research." They probably don't understand how to even measure learning.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to learn how to parent. Maybe start living in joint families.

How dare you? I know how to parent. And if someone would pay me $100,000 a year to teach my child that would be one thing, but I am being expected to do that for free. I have a job. I cannot do it and also a second, unpaid job that I am not being paid for and that forces me to work an additional 8 hours for free. FIX DISTANCE LEARNING and take responsibility for your students.

So, I can come through zoom and wake your child up? I can give your child breakfast so that they can focus? I can take the legos, stuffed animals, and video games away from him so he can actually focus on learning? I can give him a quiet background so that he can learn? I can sit with him for 4 hours to review all that he/she refused to get during instructional time? I can do his assignments for him? I can prep him for tests since he missed a lot of assignments? I cannot do ANY of these things. I can provide instruction, encourage, mentor, and have additional zoom time within reason to help him/her but I cannot do all of the above. That is the parent's job.

It's funny, because you actually can do most of these things, in a building called a school. You just refuse to.

+1

The problem with these arguments that DL provides an adequate education *as long as parents fill in all the gaps* is that if the job of teaching, especially at an elementary level, can be done over Zoom from your home while providing childcare to your own kids, then it probably shouldn't pay very much.

I know teachers are working a lot. The problem is that 90% of what they are doing isn't educating kids. They are troubleshooting technology, they are performing administrative tasks that administration to make unrealistic claims about attendance and participation. Even the actual instruction is so poor, not necessarily because the teachers are bad (though some of them are), but because none of them were trained to teach in this way and most do not have the skill set to do it effectively.

I am happy to admit that as a parent, I am doing a subpar job of helping my kid learn via DL. I'm trying my best, but I'm not an educator, I find the technology clunky and frustrating, and I'm distracted much of the time due to my own job and the stress of having the whole family working and learning in our house for months on end. But at least I can admit that. I'm not a good teacher! I am a great parent but I don't know much about how to teach a small child how to read. I would love to have an actual professional educator do it instead. But DL has not offered that.

So yeah, we should probably open schools, unless school districts can magically figure out how to make DL effective at teaching kids things like basic literacy. It's one or the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to learn how to parent. Maybe start living in joint families.

How dare you? I know how to parent. And if someone would pay me $100,000 a year to teach my child that would be one thing, but I am being expected to do that for free. I have a job. I cannot do it and also a second, unpaid job that I am not being paid for and that forces me to work an additional 8 hours for free. FIX DISTANCE LEARNING and take responsibility for your students.

So, I can come through zoom and wake your child up? I can give your child breakfast so that they can focus? I can take the legos, stuffed animals, and video games away from him so he can actually focus on learning? I can give him a quiet background so that he can learn? I can sit with him for 4 hours to review all that he/she refused to get during instructional time? I can do his assignments for him? I can prep him for tests since he missed a lot of assignments? I cannot do ANY of these things. I can provide instruction, encourage, mentor, and have additional zoom time within reason to help him/her but I cannot do all of the above. That is the parent's job.

It's funny, because you actually can do most of these things, in a building called a school. You just refuse to.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to learn how to parent. Maybe start living in joint families.

How dare you? I know how to parent. And if someone would pay me $100,000 a year to teach my child that would be one thing, but I am being expected to do that for free. I have a job. I cannot do it and also a second, unpaid job that I am not being paid for and that forces me to work an additional 8 hours for free. FIX DISTANCE LEARNING and take responsibility for your students.

So, I can come through zoom and wake your child up? I can give your child breakfast so that they can focus? I can take the legos, stuffed animals, and video games away from him so he can actually focus on learning? I can give him a quiet background so that he can learn? I can sit with him for 4 hours to review all that he/she refused to get during instructional time? I can do his assignments for him? I can prep him for tests since he missed a lot of assignments? I cannot do ANY of these things. I can provide instruction, encourage, mentor, and have additional zoom time within reason to help him/her but I cannot do all of the above. That is the parent's job.

No, I do all of those things (the ones that need to be done: most of them, apart from breakfast and quiet, he doesn’t need). What YOU can do is understand that I am now working two jobs, my own and yours, and that the latter I am not paid for. You spend one hour a day with my child and four other kids onscreen. Yet you assign 4 hours a day of work that my child cannot access on his own, so I have to access it for him. You provide a jumble of assignments so disorganized that it is impossible for me, let alone my child, to keep track of what has and hasn’t been completed. You make no attempt to check that my child understands what he is being taught, and leave it up to me to teach it when it becomes clear that he doesn’t. You place the entire responsibility for learning on me and my child, and take no responsibility or interest in your own part of the equation. If he’s not learning, that’s our problem. You can understand that we are in the middle of a lethal pandemic and at the very least acknowledge that, and accept that if work is not turned in on time that may have something to do with it. Your school could provide supervised online time for students to join and do their independent work with an adult present who can answer their questions, technological and educational, and make sure they complete their assignments to the best of their abilities. Instead of taking it for granted that “the parents will do it.”