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Anonymous wrote:I really doubt this is true. How much money would 8th graders have to buy answers to a math test? And how many 8th graders are interested enough in these tests to even plan this? Finally, why would anyone bother when you can look at the past exams and answers well before the test and for free.

I can’t think of any activity that would put an AMC 8 score as a deciding factor for being admitted.

DS took the AMC 8 this year, as a 6th grader. He was averaging a 17 on the practice tests. I am going to guess that he scores around that on the real thing since the exams are all pretty similar.

$15 was how much people paid for AMC10/12 leaked copies this year.

Kids have access to parents computers, and parents can spend money too. Some of the parents who will pay thousands of dollars for prep classes and Curie's TJ prep material will also pay a few dollars to help their kid cheat on a test.

What is the benefit to cheating on the AMC 8? I mean, the results are no longer public. Are there programs that use it as part of their admission? I don’t think there are. I fail to see why people would want to cheat, other than ego. And if it is adult ego that is really embarrassing.

I guess I find the idea that cheating on an 8th grade math extra curricular exam pathetic and embarrassing for everyone. What pressure is a kid feeling if they need to cheat on an 8th grade extra math test?

I proctored some very low stakes math contests, and the sad truth is that some kids will cheat on just about anything. They want the accolades from friends and parents. It is pathetic and embarrassing, but kids don't exactly have the best judgment. When math kangaroo went virtual during Covid, the number of kids with perfect scores skyrocketed, showing that not only will kids cheat on a fairly insignificant contest, but also parents will help their 6 year olds cheat on these contests.

I doubt there are programs that use it directly for admissions, but many kids likely can use it as part of their packets for magnet school or selective program admissions. Even if the lists aren't published, academic institutions and programs can verify scores with MAA.

Your observation about MK is true, but I didn't share it with my child who was very proud to have scored a perfect score virtually that Covid year.
4th grade is a sweet spot anyway for MK (participation traditionally peaks, and the kids who started doing it in 1st grade and are good can manage a perfect score with some practice.)

For AMC8, this leak is unfortunate to the extent that it could affect the HR cutoff (top 5%). My child is right on the cusp and if the cheating were to push the cut-off to 19 that would suck for them. (I haven't told them about the leak, I learned about it in a Google autocomplete suggestion. Thanks Google AI. Or pre-AI.) AMC8 is btw run almost entirely by volunteers so it relies on a sense of civic responsibility we should preserve.

In Mathcounts, they placed 4 male college students in each corner of each room along with a clear policy that the first cheating attempt would have led to disqualification. I think that helped for at least this portion.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

We got DS’s score and a picture of his answer sheet with the correct answers. He scored an 18. Other kids are discussing their scores at the AoPS Middle School site. They have not announced the scores needed for DH and H or 6th grade honors. The kids at the AoPS site seem to think a 21/22 for DH and an 18 for H.

Wow, last year our school admin lost the kids score sheets / answers and just gave out scores, which I suspected weren't even accurate.

For the last 2-3 years, the scoresheets have been available to print out on the proctor's MAA/edvistas account. It isn't even possible to lose the kids' score sheets, since MAA doesn't physically send any.

Does this apply to paper administered tests too?

Yes. For digital administration, kids directly submit answers for grading. For pencil and paper, the proctor downloads the test papers and answer forms from their edvistas portal a couple days before the test. They then have like 2 days after the testing window closes to scan the answer sheets into their edvistas online portal, where they are graded. All of the score reports are available digitally in the proctor's portal. No materials are being physically shipped anywhere in this process.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

We got DS’s score and a picture of his answer sheet with the correct answers. He scored an 18. Other kids are discussing their scores at the AoPS Middle School site. They have not announced the scores needed for DH and H or 6th grade honors. The kids at the AoPS site seem to think a 21/22 for DH and an 18 for H.

Wow, last year our school admin lost the kids score sheets / answers and just gave out scores, which I suspected weren't even accurate.

For the last 2-3 years, the scoresheets have been available to print out on the proctor's MAA/edvistas account. It isn't even possible to lose the kids' score sheets, since MAA doesn't physically send any.

Does this apply to paper administered tests too?

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Anonymous wrote:Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

We got DS’s score and a picture of his answer sheet with the correct answers. He scored an 18. Other kids are discussing their scores at the AoPS Middle School site. They have not announced the scores needed for DH and H or 6th grade honors. The kids at the AoPS site seem to think a 21/22 for DH and an 18 for H.

Wow, last year our school admin lost the kids score sheets / answers and just gave out scores, which I suspected weren't even accurate.

For the last 2-3 years, the scoresheets have been available to print out on the proctor's MAA/edvistas account. It isn't even possible to lose the kids' score sheets, since MAA doesn't physically send any.

You overestimate the computer literacy of the staff at my school.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

We got DS’s score and a picture of his answer sheet with the correct answers. He scored an 18. Other kids are discussing their scores at the AoPS Middle School site. They have not announced the scores needed for DH and H or 6th grade honors. The kids at the AoPS site seem to think a 21/22 for DH and an 18 for H.

Wow, last year our school admin lost the kids score sheets / answers and just gave out scores, which I suspected weren't even accurate.

For the last 2-3 years, the scoresheets have been available to print out on the proctor's MAA/edvistas account. It isn't even possible to lose the kids' score sheets, since MAA doesn't physically send any.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

We got DS’s score and a picture of his answer sheet with the correct answers. He scored an 18. Other kids are discussing their scores at the AoPS Middle School site. They have not announced the scores needed for DH and H or 6th grade honors. The kids at the AoPS site seem to think a 21/22 for DH and an 18 for H.

Wow, last year our school admin lost the kids score sheets / answers and just gave out scores, which I suspected weren't even accurate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

We got DS’s score and a picture of his answer sheet with the correct answers. He scored an 18. Other kids are discussing their scores at the AoPS Middle School site. They have not announced the scores needed for DH and H or 6th grade honors. The kids at the AoPS site seem to think a 21/22 for DH and an 18 for H.

The Achievement Roll, which is the 6th grade and under roll, is set at a score of 15. Your DS definitely made that one. 18 sounds about right for H. Maybe it would dip down to 17, but I doubt it would be as high as 19.

Anonymous wrote:Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

We got DS’s score and a picture of his answer sheet with the correct answers. He scored an 18. Other kids are discussing their scores at the AoPS Middle School site. They have not announced the scores needed for DH and H or 6th grade honors. The kids at the AoPS site seem to think a 21/22 for DH and an 18 for H.

Have people gotten their AMC 8 back?

We were told months.

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Anonymous wrote:Naive question, is AMC 8 administered by schools or after school clubs? Have not heard anything about it at my kid's middle school.

The website lists testing locations in your area. The number of sites increase after the New Year. RSM sites host .

Thank you, this is helpful to know for next year.

Anonymous wrote:Naive question, is AMC 8 administered by schools or after school clubs? Have not heard anything about it at my kid's middle school.

The website lists testing locations in your area. The number of sites increase after the New Year. RSM sites host .

Anonymous wrote:Naive question, is AMC 8 administered by schools or after school clubs? Have not heard anything about it at my kid's middle school.

Some of both. Not every school offers it.

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Anonymous wrote:I really doubt this is true. How much money would 8th graders have to buy answers to a math test? And how many 8th graders are interested enough in these tests to even plan this? Finally, why would anyone bother when you can look at the past exams and answers well before the test and for free.

I can’t think of any activity that would put an AMC 8 score as a deciding factor for being admitted.

DS took the AMC 8 this year, as a 6th grader. He was averaging a 17 on the practice tests. I am going to guess that he scores around that on the real thing since the exams are all pretty similar.

$15 was how much people paid for AMC10/12 leaked copies this year.

Kids have access to parents computers, and parents can spend money too. Some of the parents who will pay thousands of dollars for prep classes and Curie's TJ prep material will also pay a few dollars to help their kid cheat on a test.

What is the benefit to cheating on the AMC 8? I mean, the results are no longer public. Are there programs that use it as part of their admission? I don’t think there are. I fail to see why people would want to cheat, other than ego. And if it is adult ego that is really embarrassing.

I guess I find the idea that cheating on an 8th grade math extra curricular exam pathetic and embarrassing for everyone. What pressure is a kid feeling if they need to cheat on an 8th grade extra math test?

I proctored some very low stakes math contests, and the sad truth is that some kids will cheat on just about anything. They want the accolades from friends and parents. It is pathetic and embarrassing, but kids don't exactly have the best judgment. When math kangaroo went virtual during Covid, the number of kids with perfect scores skyrocketed, showing that not only will kids cheat on a fairly insignificant contest, but also parents will help their 6 year olds cheat on these contests.

I doubt there are programs that use it directly for admissions, but many kids likely can use it as part of their packets for magnet school or selective program admissions. Even if the lists aren't published, academic institutions and programs can verify scores with MAA.

Naive question, is AMC 8 administered by schools or after school clubs? Have not heard anything about it at my kid's middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:Our middle school said results not for months.

Less than one month.

AMC 8? DD got hers in 2 or 3 days.