Anonymous
08/17/2020 14:41
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:
PP here, I am not in favor of 100% vote by mail. Mail is inherently an insecure and unreliable service. *REGISTERED* mail was implemented as a secure and reliable service - registered mail is stored in locked cages with a signature based chain of custody. This is why when you send something registered they put a bunch of stamps all over the envelope's seals, to prevent/detect people messing with the mail. But because of this chain-of-custody requirement, registered mail is hand sorted and not machine sorted. I would assume that a registered mail level of service is what would be necessary for 100% mailed ballots.
Taxes
Passports
Drivers Licenses
Social Security Cards
Social Security Checks
Government Pension Checks
Bank Chacks
- all things sent routinely by the public and government without being registered mail
Anonymous
08/17/2020 14:32
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:I think it's hillarious that this all started with Trump's obsession with Jeff Bezos. The sheer amount of people involved and reverberating consequences that are arising out of one man's one way personal and vindictive feud is amazing.
Well, you have to admit that the WaPo went pretty negative on Trump after Bezos bought it.
Also, Amazon is leveraging the post office pretty hard to support its business model. https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/amazon-supreme-court-package-prices
Anonymous
08/17/2020 14:26
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
I think it's hillarious that this all started with Trump's obsession with Jeff Bezos. The sheer amount of people involved and reverberating consequences that are arising out of one man's one way personal and vindictive feud is amazing.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 14:10
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.
I think what they're saying is that the road repaving will occur during rush hour. But as anyone knows, there's no good time to do road repair. What the Democrats really want is $25 billion to pay 9 out of 10 road workers to stand around while one guy fills a pothole.
Well, clearly this isn't the case. Mail volume is currently dramatically down, and 260 million ballots is tiny compared to the annual volume of 142 billion pieces of mail. This is the definition of a non-rush hour. Use your brain cell.
Apples and oranges. Ballots can't be late. Packages and regular mail can be.
USPS does not provide a 100% no-lateness service. It never has, and probably never will. No one does. I am not sure what your argument is intended to accomplish. Are you saying that we simply can't use the USPS to deliver ballots?
You actually just made part of the argument against 100% vote by mail. Absentee ballots are by request, and thus those individuals requesting them are far more conscientious of returning their ballots than those who are just sent a ballot in the mail. This doesn't even address the problem with inaccurate voter rolls, people who have moved, died, etc... And the Democrats want all of this to happen in 2.5 months? The USPS is only the delivery service. Voter rolls are handled by every state and locality board of elections. The idea of 100% vote by mail will take YEARS to implement properly, unless you want massive errors and possible fraud. Who wouldn't want those in a Presidential election?
Think about how many years it took to fix the problems uncovered in the 2000 election?
PP here, I am not in favor of 100% vote by mail. Mail is inherently an insecure and unreliable service. *REGISTERED* mail was implemented as a secure and reliable service - registered mail is stored in locked cages with a signature based chain of custody. This is why when you send something registered they put a bunch of stamps all over the envelope's seals, to prevent/detect people messing with the mail. But because of this chain-of-custody requirement, registered mail is hand sorted and not machine sorted. I would assume that a registered mail level of service is what would be necessary for 100% mailed ballots.
And this is not what Nancy Pelosi wants.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 14:03
Subject: Re:postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:I thought I would be able to avoid the Post Office by filling out my mail ballot and bringing it to an election dropbox.
But now Trump is attacking the use of drop boxes
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Some states use “drop boxes” for the collection of Universal Mail-In Ballots. So who is going to “collect” the Ballots, and what might be done to them prior to tabulation? A Rigged Election? So bad for our Country. Only Absentee Ballots acceptable!
Some states like Utah. Check the photo at the very top. https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/05/18/heavily-republican-utah/
Anonymous
08/17/2020 14:00
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.
I think what they're saying is that the road repaving will occur during rush hour. But as anyone knows, there's no good time to do road repair. What the Democrats really want is $25 billion to pay 9 out of 10 road workers to stand around while one guy fills a pothole.
Well, clearly this isn't the case. Mail volume is currently dramatically down, and 260 million ballots is tiny compared to the annual volume of 142 billion pieces of mail. This is the definition of a non-rush hour. Use your brain cell.
Apples and oranges. Ballots can't be late. Packages and regular mail can be.
USPS does not provide a 100% no-lateness service. It never has, and probably never will. No one does. I am not sure what your argument is intended to accomplish. Are you saying that we simply can't use the USPS to deliver ballots?
You actually just made part of the argument against 100% vote by mail. Absentee ballots are by request, and thus those individuals requesting them are far more conscientious of returning their ballots than those who are just sent a ballot in the mail. This doesn't even address the problem with inaccurate voter rolls, people who have moved, died, etc... And the Democrats want all of this to happen in 2.5 months? The USPS is only the delivery service. Voter rolls are handled by every state and locality board of elections. The idea of 100% vote by mail will take YEARS to implement properly, unless you want massive errors and possible fraud. Who wouldn't want those in a Presidential election?
Think about how many years it took to fix the problems uncovered in the 2000 election?
PP here, I am not in favor of 100% vote by mail. Mail is inherently an insecure and unreliable service. *REGISTERED* mail was implemented as a secure and reliable service - registered mail is stored in locked cages with a signature based chain of custody. This is why when you send something registered they put a bunch of stamps all over the envelope's seals, to prevent/detect people messing with the mail. But because of this chain-of-custody requirement, registered mail is hand sorted and not machine sorted. I would assume that a registered mail level of service is what would be necessary for 100% mailed ballots.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 13:47
Subject: Re:postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
I thought I would be able to avoid the Post Office by filling out my mail ballot and bringing it to an election dropbox.
But now Trump is attacking the use of drop boxes
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Some states use “drop boxes” for the collection of Universal Mail-In Ballots. So who is going to “collect” the Ballots, and what might be done to them prior to tabulation? A Rigged Election? So bad for our Country. Only Absentee Ballots acceptable!
But now Trump is attacking the use of drop boxes
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Some states use “drop boxes” for the collection of Universal Mail-In Ballots. So who is going to “collect” the Ballots, and what might be done to them prior to tabulation? A Rigged Election? So bad for our Country. Only Absentee Ballots acceptable!
Anonymous
08/17/2020 13:40
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
No one is "sending out ballots" willy nilly.
What sates are doing is sending Absentee applications to every registered voter. Those who fill them out and send them back will then received a ballot, just like a regular absentee ballot.
Please stop with the disinformation.
Also, there was more fraud in NC-9 with this stuff than anywhere else, all GOP operatives to try to get a GOP congressman.
What sates are doing is sending Absentee applications to every registered voter. Those who fill them out and send them back will then received a ballot, just like a regular absentee ballot.
Please stop with the disinformation.
Also, there was more fraud in NC-9 with this stuff than anywhere else, all GOP operatives to try to get a GOP congressman.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 13:32
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.
I think what they're saying is that the road repaving will occur during rush hour. But as anyone knows, there's no good time to do road repair. What the Democrats really want is $25 billion to pay 9 out of 10 road workers to stand around while one guy fills a pothole.
Well, clearly this isn't the case. Mail volume is currently dramatically down, and 260 million ballots is tiny compared to the annual volume of 142 billion pieces of mail. This is the definition of a non-rush hour. Use your brain cell.
Apples and oranges. Ballots can't be late. Packages and regular mail can be.
USPS does not provide a 100% no-lateness service. It never has, and probably never will. No one does. I am not sure what your argument is intended to accomplish. Are you saying that we simply can't use the USPS to deliver ballots?
You actually just made part of the argument against 100% vote by mail. Absentee ballots are by request, and thus those individuals requesting them are far more conscientious of returning their ballots than those who are just sent a ballot in the mail. This doesn't even address the problem with inaccurate voter rolls, people who have moved, died, etc... And the Democrats want all of this to happen in 2.5 months? The USPS is only the delivery service. Voter rolls are handled by every state and locality board of elections. The idea of 100% vote by mail will take YEARS to implement properly, unless you want massive errors and possible fraud. Who wouldn't want those in a Presidential election?
Think about how many years it took to fix the problems uncovered in the 2000 election?
Anonymous
08/17/2020 13:02
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.
I think what they're saying is that the road repaving will occur during rush hour. But as anyone knows, there's no good time to do road repair. What the Democrats really want is $25 billion to pay 9 out of 10 road workers to stand around while one guy fills a pothole.
Well, clearly this isn't the case. Mail volume is currently dramatically down, and 260 million ballots is tiny compared to the annual volume of 142 billion pieces of mail. This is the definition of a non-rush hour. Use your brain cell.
Apples and oranges. Ballots can't be late. Packages and regular mail can be.
USPS does not provide a 100% no-lateness service. It never has, and probably never will. No one does. I am not sure what your argument is intended to accomplish. Are you saying that we simply can't use the USPS to deliver ballots?
Anonymous
08/17/2020 13:00
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Chaffetz makes some good points:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-vs-dems-on-mail-in-voting-jason-chaffetz
The president of the United States does not control the operations of the Postal Service nor does he select or appoint the Postmaster General. The Board of Governors does both of these things. The Postal Regulatory Commission sets rates, service levels and decides on postal closings, not the president.
The governors are appointed by a president and confirmed by the United States Senate. No more than five of the nine governors may be from the same political party.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-vs-dems-on-mail-in-voting-jason-chaffetz
The president of the United States does not control the operations of the Postal Service nor does he select or appoint the Postmaster General. The Board of Governors does both of these things. The Postal Regulatory Commission sets rates, service levels and decides on postal closings, not the president.
The governors are appointed by a president and confirmed by the United States Senate. No more than five of the nine governors may be from the same political party.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 12:49
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.
I think what they're saying is that the road repaving will occur during rush hour. But as anyone knows, there's no good time to do road repair. What the Democrats really want is $25 billion to pay 9 out of 10 road workers to stand around while one guy fills a pothole.
Well, clearly this isn't the case. Mail volume is currently dramatically down, and 260 million ballots is tiny compared to the annual volume of 142 billion pieces of mail. This is the definition of a non-rush hour. Use your brain cell.
Apples and oranges. Ballots can't be late. Packages and regular mail can be.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 12:44
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.
I think what they're saying is that the road repaving will occur during rush hour. But as anyone knows, there's no good time to do road repair. What the Democrats really want is $25 billion to pay 9 out of 10 road workers to stand around while one guy fills a pothole.
Well, clearly this isn't the case. Mail volume is currently dramatically down, and 260 million ballots is tiny compared to the annual volume of 142 billion pieces of mail. This is the definition of a non-rush hour. Use your brain cell.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 12:41
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.
I think what they're saying is that the road repaving will occur during rush hour. But as anyone knows, there's no good time to do road repair. What the Democrats really want is $25 billion to pay 9 out of 10 road workers to stand around while one guy fills a pothole.
Anonymous
08/17/2020 12:34
Subject: postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.
Period.
That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.
I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!
Bad analogy.
This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.
We are talking specifically about the removal of sorting machines. So that they can better align their business to package handling. This is analogous to repaving a road to better handle current traffic conditions. The liberals are screaming as the repaving machine is grinding down the surface of the old road to prepare for the new surface.