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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.

hey my riding 1st grade kid did that too in spring K. guess what i’ve done all summer ... talk up DL and get her in a positive mindset and let her know we all wish we could be in school but this is what we do to protect other people right now and one day she will walk into school and greet all her classmates as friends. i’ve tried to focus on the parts that will be okay or good, acknowledge and validate the parts that won’t be, and remind her it isn’t forever.

Yes, I think this is what they really need more than math or anything else. They need to know that we can be okay and that they will be okay and that we know they will be okay. And that doesn't have to mean that we are jumping up and down about DL or not struggling with how things are, but we can model being resilient despite all the bad.

No, it means that my kid will sit this year out.

But you guys have fun with your "resilience".

My kid has diagnosed anxiety that is triggered by school. Full on panic attacks and a whole lot of tears most days until an excellent therapist helped us with coping skills. Do you think we should have just let her sit out because it was hard for her?

Seriously, they need coping skills and if they don't have them, they need help getting them. Good for you for getting her help.

I didn't make up this resilience stuff for fun. I got it from child development experts.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.

hey my riding 1st grade kid did that too in spring K. guess what i’ve done all summer ... talk up DL and get her in a positive mindset and let her know we all wish we could be in school but this is what we do to protect other people right now and one day she will walk into school and greet all her classmates as friends. i’ve tried to focus on the parts that will be okay or good, acknowledge and validate the parts that won’t be, and remind her it isn’t forever.

Yes, I think this is what they really need more than math or anything else. They need to know that we can be okay and that they will be okay and that we know they will be okay. And that doesn't have to mean that we are jumping up and down about DL or not struggling with how things are, but we can model being resilient despite all the bad.

No, it means that my kid will sit this year out.

But you guys have fun with your "resilience".

My kid has diagnosed anxiety that is triggered by school. Full on panic attacks and a whole lot of tears most days until an excellent therapist helped us with coping skills. Do you think we should have just let her sit out because it was hard for her?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.

hey my riding 1st grade kid did that too in spring K. guess what i’ve done all summer ... talk up DL and get her in a positive mindset and let her know we all wish we could be in school but this is what we do to protect other people right now and one day she will walk into school and greet all her classmates as friends. i’ve tried to focus on the parts that will be okay or good, acknowledge and validate the parts that won’t be, and remind her it isn’t forever.

Yes, I think this is what they really need more than math or anything else. They need to know that we can be okay and that they will be okay and that we know they will be okay. And that doesn't have to mean that we are jumping up and down about DL or not struggling with how things are, but we can model being resilient despite all the bad.

No, it means that my kid will sit this year out.

But you guys have fun with your "resilience".

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

Because we do not believe this is “socialization” perhaps?

“If my kid can’t socialize in person he will ONLY DO MATH.”

Make it make sense.

DP. It doesn’t. But then it does explain why they were so desperate for two days a week of “socialization” before. Morning meeting was absolutely the best part of distance learning for young kids. Maybe these parents don’t know what morning meeting is? It’s basically show and share. Kids love it. A bright start to an otherwise dismal day!

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Anonymous wrote:This is what is so frustrating. Teachers are certainly the experts on pedagogy. But those of us who are parents also know children, specifically our own. When you say something that sounds unbelievable - zoom morning meeting is essential to your kids success - it doesn’t pass the sniff test. I agree that morning meeting is valuable community building time in person. But those of us who have group family zoom sessions and watch out kids wander off even though they live their grandparents and cousins know this is just nonsense.

Honestly, then don’t do it. Don’t ask will the teacher care. It doesn’t matter. You’ve decided you don’t value this and won’t make your kid do it. That’s your choice. Why come here for approval then?

Unless it was the OP, this poster isn't asking for approval. They're just pointing out that the teacher's response lacked any degree of credibility.

It doesn’t lack credibility because it doesn’t apply to her one kid. Some kids hate zoom and will walk off. Most kids will do that when it’s their boring family on zoom. A teacher is trained to facilitate conversation and dialogue among the kids on different topics to build community. Will some kids still be bored? Yes. does that mean it doesn’t have value or it won’t be meaningful for some kids, no.

+1 That red object they have to find will be their favorite stuffed animal or souvenir or Pokemon card, which are conversation starters and ways for the kids to bond. The teacher is not saying virtual morning meeting is better than everything that happens at in-person school, but given DL is what we've got for now, there are ways s/he can promote class bonding and getting to know students to the best of their ability. And they can't take time to do that during math.

Please DO NOT DO THIS!!! It's so disrputive to others in the house. Everyone does not live in a McMansion where there is plenty of space for junior to dart around the house and not bother anyone. Families have parents trying to conduct work from home. Families have more than 1 child online. Many have MS and HS kids too whom unlike ES kids, are on ALL day in 80 min blocks with only 10 min breaks. Do not have a K-6th grader running through a house looking for objects. It is sooo disruptive to the family who is either working from home or at "school" too.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

News Flash: You weren't going to get that with hybrid either. What you would have gotten is six hours of kids in desks, lunch at their seats, masks on, recess with no playground, equipment, etc. No small groups, lunch bunches, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what is so frustrating. Teachers are certainly the experts on pedagogy. But those of us who are parents also know children, specifically our own. When you say something that sounds unbelievable - zoom morning meeting is essential to your kids success - it doesn’t pass the sniff test. I agree that morning meeting is valuable community building time in person. But those of us who have group family zoom sessions and watch out kids wander off even though they live their grandparents and cousins know this is just nonsense.

Honestly, then don’t do it. Don’t ask will the teacher care. It doesn’t matter. You’ve decided you don’t value this and won’t make your kid do it. That’s your choice. Why come here for approval then?

Unless it was the OP, this poster isn't asking for approval. They're just pointing out that the teacher's response lacked any degree of credibility.

It doesn’t lack credibility because it doesn’t apply to her one kid. Some kids hate zoom and will walk off. Most kids will do that when it’s their boring family on zoom. A teacher is trained to facilitate conversation and dialogue among the kids on different topics to build community. Will some kids still be bored? Yes. does that mean it doesn’t have value or it won’t be meaningful for some kids, no.

+1 That red object they have to find will be their favorite stuffed animal or souvenir or Pokemon card, which are conversation starters and ways for the kids to bond. The teacher is not saying virtual morning meeting is better than everything that happens at in-person school, but given DL is what we've got for now, there are ways s/he can promote class bonding and getting to know students to the best of their ability. And they can't take time to do that during math.

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Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing about all this is the breaking of the parent-teacher bond for some. I honestly never thought about my kids teachers too much except to be grateful and wanting to see if I could support things in some way at home. We’ve had good teachers, bad teachers, and middling teachers and I still considered it a partnership. Talking to friends right now, some are pissed at teachers right now. I also no longer think of teachers right now as being on the same team with respect to my my kids needs and we’ll-being. I hope things settle down. This animosity is good for no-one.

+1. It isn’t. But I used to believe parents teachers and parents both used to want to educate healthy happy kids. Now, their interests have diverged. From a parent perspective, I’ve come to realize teachers never viewed me as a real partner in supporting my kids education. And I have been shocked that teachers don’t want to be considered essential employees. It s hard to see it ever being them same again . It’s hard to imagine ever working with an FCPS teacher to solve an issue— especially now that I see how many teachers think that parents who are struggling with DL are lazy, bad parents, not parenting, awful people, hurting their kids— on teach said a@@holes. And now that I see teachers washing their hands of the idea they need to work to make DL a success and are saying they’ll punch in and meet meet contract hours, and all the problems with poor.y thought out DL rest on parents. I guess I had thought both parents and teachers would push back if DL scheduling wasn’t working. Now I realize it’s just parents.

You can’t return from that. Only go forward. We’ll see what school looks like in 3-54 years, but their is no chance that among affluent involved parents it looks like in did a year ago. I know I will be pushing and voting for vouchers, charter schools, school choice and the ability to take the money FCPS spends on my kid and look for a private or charter school that is more in line with my idea of collaboration between families and the schools, working with teachers for them to meet kids where they are at and me to support schools work at homes. And using developmentally appropriate strategies— ie not 6-7 hours of DL in early ES.

I also agree with everyone who points out that the recession is going to kill the 2021-22 budget. And I agree with all the people who say that we should be terminating pensions. Obviously pay out what we owe up to now. But, quit accruing additional liabilities. It would free up a ton of money when we most need it. And I don’t understand why non-essential employees would be getting pensions to being with.

We should also eliminate tenure and make firing dead weight easier. And we all know some teachers are dead weight.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.

hey my riding 1st grade kid did that too in spring K. guess what i’ve done all summer ... talk up DL and get her in a positive mindset and let her know we all wish we could be in school but this is what we do to protect other people right now and one day she will walk into school and greet all her classmates as friends. i’ve tried to focus on the parts that will be okay or good, acknowledge and validate the parts that won’t be, and remind her it isn’t forever.

Yes, I think this is what they really need more than math or anything else. They need to know that we can be okay and that they will be okay and that we know they will be okay. And that doesn't have to mean that we are jumping up and down about DL or not struggling with how things are, but we can model being resilient despite all the bad.

No, it means that my kid will sit this year out.

But you guys have fun with your "resilience".

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

Because we do not believe this is “socialization” perhaps?

“If my kid can’t socialize in person he will ONLY DO MATH.”

Make it make sense.

DP. It doesn’t. But then it does explain why they were so desperate for two days a week of “socialization” before. Morning meeting was absolutely the best part of distance learning for young kids. Maybe these parents don’t know what morning meeting is? It’s basically show and share. Kids love it. A bright start to an otherwise dismal day!

This is a broad generalization. My 8 year old did not like morning meeting, he always said pass if his name was called. Some like it, some don’t. My DS started bringing a book to his DL session and reading under the table because DL is just not engaging enough for most kids. I am a physician and work outside the home 4 days per week. On the day I was home, my DC couldn’t wait for the 1 hour session to end. For the upcoming year, it won’t be possible to have a parent monitor him most days. I imagine there will be times he forgets to log in on time in the morning or doesn’t log back in on time during a break. I imagine a lot of reading under the table or playing with toys. I’m not going to stress about it, too many other things to stress about at this point. I will do math and reading with him at night and on the weekends, the rest is what it is. Each parent is making the decisions they feel are best for their children. No great options, just lots of not so good ones.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.

hey my riding 1st grade kid did that too in spring K. guess what i’ve done all summer ... talk up DL and get her in a positive mindset and let her know we all wish we could be in school but this is what we do to protect other people right now and one day she will walk into school and greet all her classmates as friends. i’ve tried to focus on the parts that will be okay or good, acknowledge and validate the parts that won’t be, and remind her it isn’t forever.

Yes, I think this is what they really need more than math or anything else. They need to know that we can be okay and that they will be okay and that we know they will be okay. And that doesn't have to mean that we are jumping up and down about DL or not struggling with how things are, but we can model being resilient despite all the bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.

hey my riding 1st grade kid did that too in spring K. guess what i’ve done all summer ... talk up DL and get her in a positive mindset and let her know we all wish we could be in school but this is what we do to protect other people right now and one day she will walk into school and greet all her classmates as friends. i’ve tried to focus on the parts that will be okay or good, acknowledge and validate the parts that won’t be, and remind her it isn’t forever.

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Anonymous wrote:The question says it all.

And it says a lot about you, OP.

What does it say about me?

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For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.