Anonymous wrote:This is going to be a total debacle. Hopefully it won't spread, because it will set back progressive politics in this country by 10-20 years. It's just the kind of pie-in-the-sky thinking the liberals of yesteryear would have come up with. God, I hope this idea dies. Reform yes, abolish/defund, though, is silly.

Minneapolis just voted to abolish its police force:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/07/george-floyd-protests-live-updates/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to information on how many people DC police have killed? I can’t find that information anywhere.

Is killing the threshold? Do you want to know about the people injured, abused, or harassed?

Thanks providing zero information, but Ok then can you point me to information about how many people have been injured, abused, or harassed? I’m just looking for actual information, not your feelings.

There's no data like that because it's not collected. There is a little data on police stops by race or stop and frisk. I'm sure you can Google that.

I think it would be really interesting to have more comprehensive data on police harassment, but not with the time. Go spend some time in communities outside your bubble and see how the police treat them. Or if you want do that, listen to what they're saying with an open mind.

Walk around Baltimore. See how you like it? Walk around mid afternoon? Are you safe? Walk around at 5:00 pm. Have ya'll read the threads about not even walking one block in Baltimore? The threads are not even about safety in the evening or later? Do the same in Chicago. Chicago's nick name is Chi raq prounced Shy Raq is in Iraq.

You're not making much of a case for why the police are effective and worth maintaining.

This is going to be a total debacle. Hopefully it won't spread, because it will set back progressive politics in this country by 10-20 years. It's just the kind of pie-in-the-sky thinking the liberals of yesteryear would have come up with. God, I hope this idea dies. Reform yes, abolish/defund, though, is silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to information on how many people DC police have killed? I can’t find that information anywhere.

Is killing the threshold? Do you want to know about the people injured, abused, or harassed?

Thanks providing zero information, but Ok then can you point me to information about how many people have been injured, abused, or harassed? I’m just looking for actual information, not your feelings.

There's no data like that because it's not collected. There is a little data on police stops by race or stop and frisk. I'm sure you can Google that.

I think it would be really interesting to have more comprehensive data on police harassment, but not with the time. Go spend some time in communities outside your bubble and see how the police treat them. Or if you want do that, listen to what they're saying with an open mind.

Walk around Baltimore. See how you like it? Walk around mid afternoon? Are you safe? Walk around at 5:00 pm. Have ya'll read the threads about not even walking one block in Baltimore? The threads are not even about safety in the evening or later? Do the same in Chicago. Chicago's nick name is Chi raq prounced Shy Raq is in Iraq.

Anonymous wrote:If you cut down police, be prepared for slower response times when you do have an emergency. And richer communities will begin hiring private security. I’ve seen what “fewer cops” looks like lately - cops taking a passive stance (which isn’t to be commended) - in NYC. It’s criminals looting and stealing with impunity (absolutely unrelated to the protests). If police won’t be around to protect businesses, businesses will leave and flock to communities where there is protection. Just look at Baltimore as a case study after 2015. Police reports down, criminal activity and murder way up.

And businesses close in the inner city. No one wants to risk their life to run a bodega.

Anonymous wrote:Police unions are the problem.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/05/871298161/police-unions-and-police-violence

Other trade unions hate police unions.

Police unions are the problem.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/05/871298161/police-unions-and-police-violence

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Anonymous wrote:Defunding is idiotic. We need real consequences for misconduct, de-escalating training, and to remove the racists.

I agree with this. “De-fund” means the NRA wins, we all arm ourselves and take the law into our own hands.

You both sounds like the kind of people who think spanking your kids is actually doing something good. Whew.

Anonymous wrote:Defunding is idiotic. We need real consequences for misconduct, de-escalating training, and to remove the racists.

I agree with this. “De-fund” means the NRA wins, we all arm ourselves and take the law into our own hands.

If you cut down police, be prepared for slower response times when you do have an emergency. And richer communities will begin hiring private security. I’ve seen what “fewer cops” looks like lately - cops taking a passive stance (which isn’t to be commended) - in NYC. It’s criminals looting and stealing with impunity (absolutely unrelated to the protests). If police won’t be around to protect businesses, businesses will leave and flock to communities where there is protection. Just look at Baltimore as a case study after 2015. Police reports down, criminal activity and murder way up.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to information on how many people DC police have killed? I can’t find that information anywhere.

Is killing the threshold? Do you want to know about the people injured, abused, or harassed?

Thanks providing zero information, but Ok then can you point me to information about how many people have been injured, abused, or harassed? I’m just looking for actual information, not your feelings.

There's no data like that because it's not collected. There is a little data on police stops by race or stop and frisk. I'm sure you can Google that.

I think it would be really interesting to have more comprehensive data on police harassment, but not with the time. Go spend some time in communities outside your bubble and see how the police treat them. Or if you want do that, listen to what they're saying with an open mind.

It's really not conservatives. You can tell the difference. Conservatives would want to cut budgets for the sake of cutting budgets.

This is a progressive reform to better serve people. It's spending money on mental health, drug addiction, poverty, etc. instead of militarized police.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for taking away their military grade gear, reconsidering what weapons they actually need at what times to protect themselves and others, and ending qualified immunity, the latter of which I think would do a ton. I'm really scared that parts of DC will go the way of Baltimore with unchecked criminality. We also already have basically no traffic enforcement and really need more cops on that beat. Really unsettled by the calls to defund and won't support them.

It's scary because you don't understand how it would work, right? So what about learning about how it would work. Would you commit to reading three serious sources?

If you ask any the pedestrian/bike safety people, they'll tell you that enforcement feels like it would help but is meaningless. Only infrastructure change will matter.

All this talk about "defunding the police" is really conservatives who are against slashing police budgets amplifying a fringe minority of people who really want to technically defund police departments to distract from the real issue: out of control police. It is not a serious proposal.

What IS a serious proposal is reducing the size of police budgets. Organizations and bureaucracies only really innovate when they have less money. Police are no exception. If we really want to reform and revamp how police are recruited, trained, employed and how they deploy their tactics on the streets, we really need start with reducing the size of police budgets and start spending that money in a better way.

Seriously: Make every cop in every police department interview for their job. Fire all the white supremacists and entitled a55holes who feel they deserve to brutalize citizens for sport. Hire good police like the Charlottesville PD chief (who also just happens to be a black woman) and let them restaff their forces.

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I think defunding the police would be a disaster, but I'd be willing to give it a shot. To do so, the district should add a referendum to the ballot of the next election and if a majority of residents in a particular area approve of defunding, the district could do so in that area.

There would have to be a ton of education first, because as this thread shows, most people don't have a clue what it actually means.

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Anonymous wrote:This is stupid.

I think a lot of BLM activists are spoiled brats who need to go live in an area of the world without police. I've lived in lawless countries where police are powerless, hunted, or non-existent.

The only protection you get is the protection you BUY. Forget it entirely if you're a victim of a casual assault or rape.

You mean like the police force we currently have who believe that protect and serve applies almost entirely to gentile white people?

Who are gentile white people?
Does that include Hispanics and illegals, the poor ?
Or are you referring to wealthy clusters in suburbia