Anonymous
04/01/2020 13:15
Subject: Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:^ plus they dominate STEM departments, mainly engineering, drowning out domestic students from those scarce seats. and they rise up to grad level, not only drowning out domestic students in grad school, but then they're TEACHING undergrads.
Teaching is a loose term here. Had some classes where I understood very little of what was said.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 12:33
Subject: Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't Michigan, a state whose residents and taxpayers built up one of the finest R1s in the world over the last 200 years, just hand it over to Wall Street parasites to operate as their private tax free hedge fund and televised sports program? . . .
fyi, that mere 15% is about $350 million a year from state taxpayers, and the gov just bumped it 2%
Do Michigan taxpayers get first dibs on the football ducats? Or a discount on them?
Anonymous
04/01/2020 12:27
Subject: Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Why doesn't Michigan, a state whose residents and taxpayers built up one of the finest R1s in the world over the last 200 years, just hand it over to Wall Street parasites to operate as their private tax free hedge fund and televised sports program? . . .
fyi, that mere 15% is about $350 million a year from state taxpayers, and the gov just bumped it 2%
fyi, that mere 15% is about $350 million a year from state taxpayers, and the gov just bumped it 2%
Anonymous
04/01/2020 11:17
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.
I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).
Ann Arbor is 50% oos
Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.
The state of Michigan generously kicks in 14% of the school's general fund budget. The retrenchment in state funding is what drives OOS enrollment.
Nevertheless, UM-Ann Arbor has a duty to educate Michiganders. If that's not the case, then why not take the school private? All you'd have to do is jack up tuition a bit (for those currently paying in-state tuition rates) to make up for the 14% that the state currently supplies to the school's budget.
If the state is only providing 14% of the funding, then a reasonable tax payer cannot expect the University to have a matriculation that is 80 or 90% Michigan residents. If it were such a priority to have state residents attend, then vote for state representatives who will increase the budget accordingly. Otherwise, don't complain about OOS students and the full freight money they are bringing, as well as the services/social dollars they add to the local economy.
Thw heyday of the State of Michigan along with the automotive industry was the 1950s - 1970s. Once the early 1980s recession along with the endless downsizing of GM started, state funding for UM went down. I agree with the poster who identified this as a vicious circle. Detroit is nowhere near an Atlanta, Chicago, or Dallas and will never be. So state aid to universities educates residents who take these skills and go somewhere else.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 10:45
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.
I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).
Ann Arbor is 50% oos
Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.
The state of Michigan generously kicks in 14% of the school's general fund budget. The retrenchment in state funding is what drives OOS enrollment.
Nevertheless, UM-Ann Arbor has a duty to educate Michiganders. If that's not the case, then why not take the school private? All you'd have to do is jack up tuition a bit (for those currently paying in-state tuition rates) to make up for the 14% that the state currently supplies to the school's budget.
If the state is only providing 14% of the funding, then a reasonable tax payer cannot expect the University to have a matriculation that is 80 or 90% Michigan residents. If it were such a priority to have state residents attend, then vote for state representatives who will increase the budget accordingly. Otherwise, don't complain about OOS students and the full freight money they are bringing, as well as the services/social dollars they add to the local economy.
In a sense, you're correct. But I suspect the dynamic has, by now, turned into a vicious circle: UM wants to have a national rep, so it encourages OOS enrollment -- and the accompanying revenue. State legislators look at this and decide the school doesn't need greater funding; and maybe UM can do with less. So, not surprisingly, UM comes to rely more and more upon full-pay out of state enrollees (who can afford to go to more prestigious private colleges, but can't get into them).
Anonymous
04/01/2020 10:32
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.
I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).
Ann Arbor is 50% oos
Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.
The state of Michigan generously kicks in 14% of the school's general fund budget. The retrenchment in state funding is what drives OOS enrollment.
Nevertheless, UM-Ann Arbor has a duty to educate Michiganders. If that's not the case, then why not take the school private? All you'd have to do is jack up tuition a bit (for those currently paying in-state tuition rates) to make up for the 14% that the state currently supplies to the school's budget.
If the state is only providing 14% of the funding, then a reasonable tax payer cannot expect the University to have a matriculation that is 80 or 90% Michigan residents. If it were such a priority to have state residents attend, then vote for state representatives who will increase the budget accordingly. Otherwise, don't complain about OOS students and the full freight money they are bringing, as well as the services/social dollars they add to the local economy.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 10:17
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.
I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).
Ann Arbor is 50% oos
Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.
The state of Michigan generously kicks in 14% of the school's general fund budget. The retrenchment in state funding is what drives OOS enrollment.
Nevertheless, UM-Ann Arbor has a duty to educate Michiganders. If that's not the case, then why not take the school private? All you'd have to do is jack up tuition a bit (for those currently paying in-state tuition rates) to make up for the 14% that the state currently supplies to the school's budget.
As a Michigander and UM graduate, this is how I respond to the high OOS % - UM is not a state school, it is a school that gives a discount to people from Michigan. [b]Of course this is obvious sarcasm.
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Regarding Hillsdale, I have worked with several graduates and have found them hard working, articulate and friendly.
Very benevolent of UM to grant discounts to Michiganders.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 10:08
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.
I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).
Ann Arbor is 50% oos
Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.
The state of Michigan generously kicks in 14% of the school's general fund budget. The retrenchment in state funding is what drives OOS enrollment.
Nevertheless, UM-Ann Arbor has a duty to educate Michiganders. If that's not the case, then why not take the school private? All you'd have to do is jack up tuition a bit (for those currently paying in-state tuition rates) to make up for the 14% that the state currently supplies to the school's budget.
As a Michigander and UM graduate, this is how I respond to the high OOS % - UM is not a state school, it is a school that gives a discount to people from Michigan. Of course this is obvious sarcasm.
Regarding Hillsdale, I have worked with several graduates and have found them hard working, articulate and friendly.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 10:03
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.
I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).
Ann Arbor is 50% oos
Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.
The state of Michigan generously kicks in 14% of the school's general fund budget. The retrenchment in state funding is what drives OOS enrollment.
Nevertheless, UM-Ann Arbor has a duty to educate Michiganders. If that's not the case, then why not take the school private? All you'd have to do is jack up tuition a bit (for those currently paying in-state tuition rates) to make up for the 14% that the state currently supplies to the school's budget.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 09:52
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What % of Hillsdale is out of state students? I assume it's got more OOS kids than any undergrad in Michigan, outside of Ann Arbor.
I believe two-thirds come from OOS (which, if I'm not mistaken would be a higher percentage than that at UM-Ann Arbor).
Ann Arbor is 50% oos
Kind of a shame that UM-Ann Arbor doesn't focus more on educating citizens of Michigan. It is, after all, a taxpayer- supported university.
The state of Michigan generously kicks in 14% of the school's general fund budget. The retrenchment in state funding is what drives OOS enrollment.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 09:51
Subject: Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:To be clear, I was not approving the prior poster's use of the word "trash" to describe certain out of state students from the northeast. I think that using that word was coded dog whistling. I'm saying this now just in case my post of a few minutes ago was too subtle for some readers.
If your goal is to be clear, why encode a dog whistle. Seems like overkill. A double veil. That's like encoding something that's already been transmitted in cipher.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 09:48
Subject: Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.
Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit
An interesting take. As to your "Tier 1" here are my comments: Notre Dame -- perhaps, if you're Catholic (and not terribly orthodox); Northwestern -- if you want to attend the second-best school in Chicago; Duke -- if you like partying, basketball, and identity politics; USC -- who cares?; Ivies -- if you belong to one of the correct demographic groups.
Northwestern has been the smart rich kid magnet of the entire Middle West for at least 50 years. Very few in Michigan care about U of Chicago, it's a niche school. To have a mere chance of getting into Notre Dame you need to be val or sal of your class at your Catholic high school. To get into U of Michigan you just need to be within the top 5% to 10% of your class. Many kids that qualify for U of Michigan have no appetite to become 1 of 7,000 freshman, half of which are obnoxious trash from Jersey and Long Island, into cocaine and blacking out before sport ball competitions. MSU is backwater, over 50,000 undergrads, admits any warm body since they ran into financial trouble from lawsuits.
but gretchen whitmer, our lordess and savior went there!
You should refer to her by her full name: Gretchen Half Whitmer
Anonymous
04/01/2020 09:41
Subject: Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
To be clear, I was not approving the prior poster's use of the word "trash" to describe certain out of state students from the northeast. I think that using that word was coded dog whistling. I'm saying this now just in case my post of a few minutes ago was too subtle for some readers.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 09:38
Subject: Re:Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Do some states support their flagship more than others?
yes - there are huge variances.
Anonymous
04/01/2020 09:37
Subject: Question for Michigan residents - how do in-state people view the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.
Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit
An interesting take. As to your "Tier 1" here are my comments: Notre Dame -- perhaps, if you're Catholic (and not terribly orthodox); Northwestern -- if you want to attend the second-best school in Chicago; Duke -- if you like partying, basketball, and identity politics; USC -- who cares?; Ivies -- if you belong to one of the correct demographic groups.
Northwestern has been the smart rich kid magnet of the entire Middle West for at least 50 years. Very few in Michigan care about U of Chicago, it's a niche school. To have a mere chance of getting into Notre Dame you need to be val or sal of your class at your Catholic high school. To get into U of Michigan you just need to be within the top 5% to 10% of your class. Many kids that qualify for U of Michigan have no appetite to become 1 of 7,000 freshman, half of which are obnoxious trash from Jersey and Long Island, into cocaine and blacking out before sport ball competitions. MSU is backwater, over 50,000 undergrads, admits any warm body since they ran into financial trouble from lawsuits.
but gretchen whitmer, our lordess and savior went there!