Anonymous
Post 04/22/2020 08:57     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
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Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.


I wouldn't describe Mia the college student and the family she came from as poor. And that's literally what a surrogate is - the purchase of a body for the purposes of growing a child. They knew it, Mia knew it. I don't see how the couple could be characterized as having "little regard" for Mia's well being although Mia certainly had little regard for the rights of the biological father.


She was a girl cut off from her family and desperate for money who clearly wouldn't have done it but for the financial exigency. And, yes, my point is precisely that surrogacy exploits people of low socioeconomic status. If they didn't need the money, and had other options, the vast majority wouldn't do it.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2020 08:23     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.


I wouldn't describe Mia the college student and the family she came from as poor. And that's literally what a surrogate is - the purchase of a body for the purposes of growing a child. They knew it, Mia knew it. I don't see how the couple could be characterized as having "little regard" for Mia's well being although Mia certainly had little regard for the rights of the biological father.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2020 07:42     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Confused about Izzy. Where did she wind up in the end?
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2020 07:41     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2020 02:17     Subject: Re:Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
I actually burst out laughing during the finale. I hadn’t read the book and figured it would end in a super dramatic way, but it was just so ridiculous how it all came together that I couldn’t take it seriously at all. Good fun, though!
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:30     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I too really like the whole "You had good choices" part. I thought that was very powerful. I think the show really highlights the chasm of understanding between the white affluent and lower class AA communities. I feel as if the boyfriend is a little more 'woke' than an AA young man might have been at that time but we don't know about his family so I could be wrong. I also like the way in which Pearl caught in between and caught up in the 'wanting of things' that is typical of teens of any race supersedes the lessons her mom is trying to teach. Also the young Mia was in CHI on Showtime which is a terrific show. She is a terrific actress. KW I agree is too much.

What lessons? Pearl had a good point - the mom was sitting on artwork that could have made Pearls life a bit more comfortable for all those years but she never sold it. She is willing to sell it to help someone she only knew for 3 months?


Yes, Mia is using poverty as a virtue, when she herself was raised middle class. She expected Pearl to think the nomad lifestyle was fun and exciting, and so much better than boring suburbia.

While Elena uses charity as a virtue, without realizing how demeaning she is when giving her hand outs.


I thought that the nomadic lifestyle and low standard of living was an attempt to stay under the radar because she ran off with Pearl. People don't notice the poor and transient. The lesson I think she was trying to teach Pearl re:Elena et al is that you need to think about the motives of the people you are with. People may offer you things for 'free' but there usually is a price tag of some sort especially for people of color.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2020 14:06     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I too really like the whole "You had good choices" part. I thought that was very powerful. I think the show really highlights the chasm of understanding between the white affluent and lower class AA communities. I feel as if the boyfriend is a little more 'woke' than an AA young man might have been at that time but we don't know about his family so I could be wrong. I also like the way in which Pearl caught in between and caught up in the 'wanting of things' that is typical of teens of any race supersedes the lessons her mom is trying to teach. Also the young Mia was in CHI on Showtime which is a terrific show. She is a terrific actress. KW I agree is too much.

What lessons? Pearl had a good point - the mom was sitting on artwork that could have made Pearls life a bit more comfortable for all those years but she never sold it. She is willing to sell it to help someone she only knew for 3 months?


Yes, Mia is using poverty as a virtue, when she herself was raised middle class. She expected Pearl to think the nomad lifestyle was fun and exciting, and so much better than boring suburbia.

While Elena uses charity as a virtue, without realizing how demeaning she is when giving her hand outs.


Yes. Like my college friend from Westport, Connecticut, who grew up in a house 20x bigger than my two-bedroom childhood apartment in NYC, telling me I was a snob bc I didn't want to live in a graffiti-covered dump in Williamsburg in 1995.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2020 13:15     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I too really like the whole "You had good choices" part. I thought that was very powerful. I think the show really highlights the chasm of understanding between the white affluent and lower class AA communities. I feel as if the boyfriend is a little more 'woke' than an AA young man might have been at that time but we don't know about his family so I could be wrong. I also like the way in which Pearl caught in between and caught up in the 'wanting of things' that is typical of teens of any race supersedes the lessons her mom is trying to teach. Also the young Mia was in CHI on Showtime which is a terrific show. She is a terrific actress. KW I agree is too much.

What lessons? Pearl had a good point - the mom was sitting on artwork that could have made Pearls life a bit more comfortable for all those years but she never sold it. She is willing to sell it to help someone she only knew for 3 months?


Yes, Mia is using poverty as a virtue, when she herself was raised middle class. She expected Pearl to think the nomad lifestyle was fun and exciting, and so much better than boring suburbia.

While Elena uses charity as a virtue, without realizing how demeaning she is when giving her hand outs.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2020 13:12     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:I too really like the whole "You had good choices" part. I thought that was very powerful. I think the show really highlights the chasm of understanding between the white affluent and lower class AA communities. I feel as if the boyfriend is a little more 'woke' than an AA young man might have been at that time but we don't know about his family so I could be wrong. I also like the way in which Pearl caught in between and caught up in the 'wanting of things' that is typical of teens of any race supersedes the lessons her mom is trying to teach. Also the young Mia was in CHI on Showtime which is a terrific show. She is a terrific actress. KW I agree is too much.

What lessons? Pearl had a good point - the mom was sitting on artwork that could have made Pearls life a bit more comfortable for all those years but she never sold it. She is willing to sell it to help someone she only knew for 3 months?
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2020 11:52     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
I too really like the whole "You had good choices" part. I thought that was very powerful. I think the show really highlights the chasm of understanding between the white affluent and lower class AA communities. I feel as if the boyfriend is a little more 'woke' than an AA young man might have been at that time but we don't know about his family so I could be wrong. I also like the way in which Pearl caught in between and caught up in the 'wanting of things' that is typical of teens of any race supersedes the lessons her mom is trying to teach. Also the young Mia was in CHI on Showtime which is a terrific show. She is a terrific actress. KW I agree is too much.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2020 19:29     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
I really hope they don’t screw up the ending.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2020 18:57     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:KW is beautiful but that thing she does with her teeth/ smile looks like angry disturbed person.


For the life of me I don’t understand why she hasn’t been coached out of that FACE.


Quivering lip was in FULL EFFECT in the last episode. It quivered more than it didn't. She spent 90% of the show crying and 10% weird/scary smiling.

Honestly, I am only still watching to see whether Joshua Jackson finally comes to his senses and leaves Elena for someone better. He's young--he stll has a chance at happiness with a woman who won't schedule sex! Bill--she's out there!!! Go!!!


They’re perfect for each other. He knows he was second choice and he’s cool. He’s boring. They’re a great match.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2020 18:51     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
In the book, Mia is fine. She’s as unlikeable as Elena, but nothing crazy.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2020 18:13     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From the looks of the trailer, I think they are changing the story?

Book followers, help me. Does Elena ever figure out about Mia and pearl?


Yes


Does she use it against her?


I am SO excited to see how they play out the very end. Like, very end. I was sobbing and gasping. I’m team Bebe.


I'm empathetic, but she abandoned her baby and the mandatory waiting periods have well since passed (the baby is a year old!). Should babies left at safe haven spots be left in foster care limbo for years just in case the mom returns?

Exactly. She abandoned her daughter - at a certain point, she can’t get her back.

Does anyone know the laws about this?

Mia is just not like able in this series.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2020 15:02     Subject: Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:KW is beautiful but that thing she does with her teeth/ smile looks like angry disturbed person.


For the life of me I don’t understand why she hasn’t been coached out of that FACE.


Quivering lip was in FULL EFFECT in the last episode. It quivered more than it didn't. She spent 90% of the show crying and 10% weird/scary smiling.

Honestly, I am only still watching to see whether Joshua Jackson finally comes to his senses and leaves Elena for someone better. He's young--he stll has a chance at happiness with a woman who won't schedule sex! Bill--she's out there!!! Go!!!