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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Can you explain-where does he go to drive his car off the road? I don’t really understand how this is legal—do you own a huge
country property somewhere?

There are hundreds of miles of designated off-road trails in the National Forest lands of Virginia alone. These are off-road trails the federal government WANTS people to keep driving on, because doing so keeps those trails open and passable so they can be used by medical rescue or firefighting vehicles.

There are also off-road parks, private land with trails and obstacles and camping areas, for people to go off-roading in on a fee-basis.

And yes, people DO own huge swathes of land, particularly on mountainsides, for timber and logging. Land that's too steep for farming or building on is VERY cheap, even more so a generation or two ago. People have Jeeps or ATVs for rural land.


Just because you sit in your 600 sq ft condo on U street and can't fathom how someone would be allowed to drive off-road, doesn't mean it's not a thing.

LOL - sure -lots of people are buying jeeps to take them off road.

And another LOL about the Federal Government wanting people to drive on roads to keep them clear for firefighting vehicles and "medical rescue" vehicles - the only reason an ambulance or fire truck would even need to be on one of these roads is to rescue your frat boy son/sorority daughter who got stuck driving off road which in and of itself is very unlikely because almost no 4WD vehicles are actually driven off road.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Can you explain-where does he go to drive his car off the road? I don’t really understand how this is legal—do you own a huge
country property somewhere?

There are hundreds of miles of designated off-road trails in the National Forest lands of Virginia alone. These are off-road trails the federal government WANTS people to keep driving on, because doing so keeps those trails open and passable so they can be used by medical rescue or firefighting vehicles.

There are also off-road parks, private land with trails and obstacles and camping areas, for people to go off-roading in on a fee-basis.

And yes, people DO own huge swathes of land, particularly on mountainsides, for timber and logging. Land that's too steep for farming or building on is VERY cheap, even more so a generation or two ago. People have Jeeps or ATVs for rural land.


Just because you sit in your 600 sq ft condo on U street and can't fathom how someone would be allowed to drive off-road, doesn't mean it's not a thing.

LOL - sure -lots of people are buying jeeps to take them off road.

And another LOL about the Federal Government wanting people to drive on roads to keep them clear for firefighting vehicles and "medical rescue" vehicles - the only reason an ambulance or fire truck would even need to be on one of these roads is to rescue your frat boy son/sorority daughter who got stuck driving off road which in and of itself is very unlikely because almost no 4WD vehicles are actually driven off road.

Do you ever stop to think about what you are saying? The off roaders aren't frat/sorority people in general. Did you reason read what that poster said. Jeeps are also great in the snow and rain.

LOL - this region averages 15 inches of snow per year.

Not we get a 15 inch snowstorm every year but we average 15 inches per year.

This year we've gotten .75 inches of snow.

About once every 10 years do we get a snowstorm where you actually need a 4WD vehicle but almost everything shuts down when that happens (and if you've ever lived somewhere that gets a lot of snow you know that the cars that most often end up in the ditch are big SUV's because their owners are usually idiots) but we should just queue up the "but what about the doctors and nurses" wah wah wah responses.

There is no rational argument for getting an SUV in our area because of the weather.

And the higher roll-over rates negate any safety benefit of having an SUV so there isn't even a sound safety argument.

Off-roading in a car is for pussies who are too lazy to hike in. I particularly love the people at the beach who can't park their SUV in the parking lot and walk 200 feet to the beach with their cooler of bud light and fishing pole but prance around like they are the tough guys because they drove onto the beach rather than carrying their piss water in.

Luckily next to no one actually actually takes their SUV's off road - look just like hunters bother me a lot less than people who eat at McDonalds people who take SUV's off-roading actually bother me a lot less than people who get Jeeps because they are insecure suckers for marketing and want to look cool but both are useless exercises in machismo.

Unfortunately we do still need cars in our backwards county but we don't need to be driving gas guzzling SUV's everywhere but hey why care about global warming when you can look cool in your Jeep!

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Can you explain-where does he go to drive his car off the road? I don’t really understand how this is legal—do you own a huge
country property somewhere?

There are hundreds of miles of designated off-road trails in the National Forest lands of Virginia alone. These are off-road trails the federal government WANTS people to keep driving on, because doing so keeps those trails open and passable so they can be used by medical rescue or firefighting vehicles.

There are also off-road parks, private land with trails and obstacles and camping areas, for people to go off-roading in on a fee-basis.

And yes, people DO own huge swathes of land, particularly on mountainsides, for timber and logging. Land that's too steep for farming or building on is VERY cheap, even more so a generation or two ago. People have Jeeps or ATVs for rural land.


Just because you sit in your 600 sq ft condo on U street and can't fathom how someone would be allowed to drive off-road, doesn't mean it's not a thing.

LOL - sure -lots of people are buying jeeps to take them off road.

And another LOL about the Federal Government wanting people to drive on roads to keep them clear for firefighting vehicles and "medical rescue" vehicles - the only reason an ambulance or fire truck would even need to be on one of these roads is to rescue your frat boy son/sorority daughter who got stuck driving off road which in and of itself is very unlikely because almost no 4WD vehicles are actually driven off road.

Do you ever stop to think about what you are saying? The off roaders aren't frat/sorority people in general. Did you reason read what that poster said. Jeeps are also great in the snow and rain.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Can you explain-where does he go to drive his car off the road? I don’t really understand how this is legal—do you own a huge
country property somewhere?

There are hundreds of miles of designated off-road trails in the National Forest lands of Virginia alone. These are off-road trails the federal government WANTS people to keep driving on, because doing so keeps those trails open and passable so they can be used by medical rescue or firefighting vehicles.

There are also off-road parks, private land with trails and obstacles and camping areas, for people to go off-roading in on a fee-basis.

And yes, people DO own huge swathes of land, particularly on mountainsides, for timber and logging. Land that's too steep for farming or building on is VERY cheap, even more so a generation or two ago. People have Jeeps or ATVs for rural land.


Just because you sit in your 600 sq ft condo on U street and can't fathom how someone would be allowed to drive off-road, doesn't mean it's not a thing.

LOL - sure -lots of people are buying jeeps to take them off road.

And another LOL about the Federal Government wanting people to drive on roads to keep them clear for firefighting vehicles and "medical rescue" vehicles - the only reason an ambulance or fire truck would even need to be on one of these roads is to rescue your frat boy son/sorority daughter who got stuck driving off road which in and of itself is very unlikely because almost no 4WD vehicles are actually driven off road.

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Anonymous wrote:Honda Elements aren't being made any more. We love ours, but they aren't popular with young women. Jeeps are expensive and can be dangerous, but are extremely trendy.

Honda CR-V? Toyota RAV? Subaru Forester? One of the sportier Subaru's?

All three of these are cars for old fogies like us. You have to put yourself in the mind of a young woman in her 20s.


I would suggest looking for a convertible. I realize she wants to sit higher, but at least you get the wind in your hair sensation.

Talk about "old fogies" I'm the pp and we're in our 40s and are a couple of decades younger than anyone I see in convertibles. All.senior citizens.

Most younger people, mid 20s, either buy practical cars and spend as little money as possible, or go all out and buy something expensive trendy and in need of maintenance like a Jeep.

Why do they need practical cars? Life is too short. She wants an AWD and up high. So, for a convertible that is a Wrangler. Our Jeep has been cheaper than my last car that was nothing but problems and you can buy an extended warranty. Maintenance is the same price as any other car, or cheaper as there are more aftermarket parts which are generally cheaper than brand.

Are you a Jeep chick?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

My youngest drives his Jeep off road at least once or twice a month. He is very into hiking and camping and being outdoors. He has pulled people out of the mud and snow several times. He often drives mountainous roads when he takes road trips. Not all of us are raising pasty kids who sit in front of a computer all day. For people who love off road travel, camping, hiking, etc. Jeep is a good choice. Also, if you are a decent driver, you aren’t going to flip a newer Jeep. My kids got their licenses out of state at 15. When they left for college, they had over three years of daily driving experience.

Can you explain-where does he go to drive his car off the road? I don’t really understand how this is legal—do you own a huge
country property somewhere?

There are hundreds of miles of designated off-road trails in the National Forest lands of Virginia alone. These are off-road trails the federal government WANTS people to keep driving on, because doing so keeps those trails open and passable so they can be used by medical rescue or firefighting vehicles.

There are also off-road parks, private land with trails and obstacles and camping areas, for people to go off-roading in on a fee-basis.

And yes, people DO own huge swathes of land, particularly on mountainsides, for timber and logging. Land that's too steep for farming or building on is VERY cheap, even more so a generation or two ago. People have Jeeps or ATVs for rural land.


Just because you sit in your 600 sq ft condo on U street and can't fathom how someone would be allowed to drive off-road, doesn't mean it's not a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Honda Elements aren't being made any more. We love ours, but they aren't popular with young women. Jeeps are expensive and can be dangerous, but are extremely trendy.

Honda CR-V? Toyota RAV? Subaru Forester? One of the sportier Subaru's?

All three of these are cars for old fogies like us. You have to put yourself in the mind of a young woman in her 20s.


I would suggest looking for a convertible. I realize she wants to sit higher, but at least you get the wind in your hair sensation.

Talk about "old fogies" I'm the pp and we're in our 40s and are a couple of decades younger than anyone I see in convertibles. All.senior citizens.

Most younger people, mid 20s, either buy practical cars and spend as little money as possible, or go all out and buy something expensive trendy and in need of maintenance like a Jeep.

Why do they need practical cars? Life is too short. She wants an AWD and up high. So, for a convertible that is a Wrangler. Our Jeep has been cheaper than my last car that was nothing but problems and you can buy an extended warranty. Maintenance is the same price as any other car, or cheaper as there are more aftermarket parts which are generally cheaper than brand.