Anonymous wrote:Quick similar story from my European side. Cousin married. wife came to live with him and his family, as is the case in my country. My uncle was a nice guy, who was the pater familius and it was his way, his way, his house. Aunt loved him, and all was his way. Often at her own detriment. Within a month we heard that wife was mentally ill. And maybe she was, she wanted things her way... Then my cousin tells me that she will learn to listen no matter how he treats her, he is the MAN! LOL. I tried to tell him, hey, how would you feel is someone treated me like that? That was different, he adores me, I am his big sis like cousin. They are still married, have 3 kids, one is 18. Guess what? She did go and make life hell for all of them. She is now certifiably crazy, maybe she always was. Or maybe she said, they treat me like I am crazy, so let me show them crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am not buying what you are selling. Sure you could be right, but this is all just too much. It is like she knows you and your family are ganging up on her. If she disliked you, you probably did something in the beginning. There is a thing your brother is doing, and that is that he is gossiping his own wife to you. And she knows it and she is insecure because he badmouths her o his family. I'd be pissed too.

OP here. Everything I said it’s true. Why would I lie? Everything was fine (or I thought was fine) until the baby ended up at the hospital (in April) and she got upset at me and eventually left family chat (so did my brother). I then found out and put things together about past things. My brother eventually told me that pregnancy was horrible as well and that she did not want to be a mom, etc. We live so far away and di not see them that Christmas that I had no idea.
To me SIL was a normal person with a few issues she was working on (fear of flying, a bit of anxiety, etc.) like we all do. I have since completely changed my mind...

It is true from your and your brothers and mother's point of view. Your brother sounds immature to complain so much about his wife that recently had a baby. It sounds like she had enough of you. Rather than suggest to your brother that she has PPD you are all ganging up on her, and it sounds like your brother never put her first. And she had enough, this might be her way of trying to save the marriage, before she decides she had enough of a dh that badmouths her to his family(whom he works with!) and who know no boundaries. And rather than advice to your brother how hard motherhood is, you are fueling the fall apart of his marriage. You say this was not like this always, look past your own needs op.

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Op you have choices here (1) stay out of it (2) try to tactfully tell brother how hard motherhood can be, and smooth things over with your mom- try to help a fellow woman and mom here OR (3) throw fuel on the fire

And you are choosing door number 3. Not only are you undermining your brothers marriage, this route is quite likely to backfire on you

This is not accurate. Up until he told me that he would like to get back on the family chat, but can’t because when he tried to bring it up it was a 2-shit storm, I had only told him that the first year with a baby is hard. DH and I fought a lot more than we usually do etc. I never once told him that I think she is crazy, manipulative and possessive... this is what I think now (probably had a sense of this in the past too, but only firmly believe it for the past couple of months). I would never say these things to my brother and if I did, I am sure he would defend her... he is a very good person. I don’t want them to get divorced. All I am saying to him now is that he needs to think about himself too at this point, that I will always be there for him and that I hope he gets back on the family chat (because he wants to... I had never mentioned this chat until the did a month or two ago)

Enough with the stupid family chat. You talk to him on a regular basis, enough for him to keep bitching about his marriage. He sees and talks to his father daily, he sees his mother regularly. Clearly no one is restricting this man from his family of origin. He and you all do not seem to understand his life has to move into a different phase now, he has to establish his family.

Anonymous wrote:I think your SIL sounds nuts, and all these crazy DCUM posters are right there with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am not buying what you are selling. Sure you could be right, but this is all just too much. It is like she knows you and your family are ganging up on her. If she disliked you, you probably did something in the beginning. There is a thing your brother is doing, and that is that he is gossiping his own wife to you. And she knows it and she is insecure because he badmouths her o his family. I'd be pissed too.

OP here. Everything I said it’s true. Why would I lie? Everything was fine (or I thought was fine) until the baby ended up at the hospital (in April) and she got upset at me and eventually left family chat (so did my brother). I then found out and put things together about past things. My brother eventually told me that pregnancy was horrible as well and that she did not want to be a mom, etc. We live so far away and di not see them that Christmas that I had no idea.
To me SIL was a normal person with a few issues she was working on (fear of flying, a bit of anxiety, etc.) like we all do. I have since completely changed my mind...

It is true from your and your brothers and mother's point of view. Your brother sounds immature to complain so much about his wife that recently had a baby. It sounds like she had enough of you. Rather than suggest to your brother that she has PPD you are all ganging up on her, and it sounds like your brother never put her first. And she had enough, this might be her way of trying to save the marriage, before she decides she had enough of a dh that badmouths her to his family(whom he works with!) and who know no boundaries. And rather than advice to your brother how hard motherhood is, you are fueling the fall apart of his marriage. You say this was not like this always, look past your own needs op.

+1000

Op you have choices here (1) stay out of it (2) try to tactfully tell brother how hard motherhood can be, and smooth things over with your mom- try to help a fellow woman and mom here OR (3) throw fuel on the fire

And you are choosing door number 3. Not only are you undermining your brothers marriage, this route is quite likely to backfire on you

This is not accurate. Up until he told me that he would like to get back on the family chat, but can’t because when he tried to bring it up it was a 2-shit storm, I had only told him that the first year with a baby is hard. DH and I fought a lot more than we usually do etc. I never once told him that I think she is crazy, manipulative and possessive... this is what I think now (probably had a sense of this in the past too, but only firmly believe it for the past couple of months). I would never say these things to my brother and if I did, I am sure he would defend her... he is a very good person. I don’t want them to get divorced. All I am saying to him now is that he needs to think about himself too at this point, that I will always be there for him and that I hope he gets back on the family chat (because he wants to... I had never mentioned this chat until the did a month or two ago)

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am not buying what you are selling. Sure you could be right, but this is all just too much. It is like she knows you and your family are ganging up on her. If she disliked you, you probably did something in the beginning. There is a thing your brother is doing, and that is that he is gossiping his own wife to you. And she knows it and she is insecure because he badmouths her o his family. I'd be pissed too.

OP here. Everything I said it’s true. Why would I lie? Everything was fine (or I thought was fine) until the baby ended up at the hospital (in April) and she got upset at me and eventually left family chat (so did my brother). I then found out and put things together about past things. My brother eventually told me that pregnancy was horrible as well and that she did not want to be a mom, etc. We live so far away and di not see them that Christmas that I had no idea.
To me SIL was a normal person with a few issues she was working on (fear of flying, a bit of anxiety, etc.) like we all do. I have since completely changed my mind...

It is true from your and your brothers and mother's point of view. Your brother sounds immature to complain so much about his wife that recently had a baby. It sounds like she had enough of you. Rather than suggest to your brother that she has PPD you are all ganging up on her, and it sounds like your brother never put her first. And she had enough, this might be her way of trying to save the marriage, before she decides she had enough of a dh that badmouths her to his family(whom he works with!) and who know no boundaries. And rather than advice to your brother how hard motherhood is, you are fueling the fall apart of his marriage. You say this was not like this always, look past your own needs op.

+1000

Op you have choices here (1) stay out of it (2) try to tactfully tell brother how hard motherhood can be, and smooth things over with your mom- try to help a fellow woman and mom here OR (3) throw fuel on the fire

And you are choosing door number 3. Not only are you undermining your brothers marriage, this route is quite likely to backfire on you

This is not accurate. Up until he told me that he would like to get back on the family chat, but can’t because when he tried to bring it up it was a 2-shit storm, I had only told him that the first year with a baby is hard. DH and I fought a lot more than we usually do etc. I never once told him that I think she is crazy, manipulative and possessive... this is what I think now (probably had a sense of this in the past too, but only firmly believe it for the past couple of months). I would never say these things to my brother and if I did, I am sure he would defend her... he is a very good person. I don’t want them to get divorced. All I am saying to him now is that he needs to think about himself too at this point, that I will always be there for him and that I hope he gets back on the family chat (because he wants to... I had never mentioned this chat until the did a month or two ago)

Anonymous wrote:She sees you are trying to break her marriage, she acts accordingly.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I guess I am not sure why I posted what I did. Maybe I wanted an outside opinion since everyone in my family is already aware of what is going and we all agree. It is very hard however to explain this all situation in writing.
It is an impossible situation because we do not want them to get divorced, but we at the same time do not want my brother to be miserable. My mom or dad have suggested to my brother to go to couple counseling and that she should see a therapist, but I don’t think they want to do that. I am not even 100% sure whether she is also unhappy with their marriage. I would love to hang out with my brother alone and talk about it all, but I am sure it will be impossible. He does not want to admit it, but while she encourages in words his relationship with me (and my parents), is practice she is manipulating him. She tells him he can get back on his family chat, but then when he tells her he wants to, she gets anxiety, cries and does not sleep for 2 nights so, of course, my brother is not back on the chat...

See... I want to think that she is having a very hard time, that maybe did not want the pregnancy (they are mid 30s, but I think she wanted to wait a little more) and she will calm down And eventually become more normal.
But then when I think about Her actions I am afraid that she is either has mental issues or she is really a malicious and manipulative person. When she says “sure, you should go back on your family chat” and then goes crazy; when she decides to do the baptism 2 weeks after we left so that we could not attend; when she makes sure I cannot see the baby unless she is there; when she is upset at me about not reaching out to her directly (as opposed to my brother) when their daughter was at the hospital even after I showed her my brother’s message asking to not contact her because she was too stressed out... all of those things together give me a different picture. I hope I am wrong and that my brother did not make the biggest mistake of his life

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I guess I am not sure why I posted what I did. Maybe I wanted an outside opinion since everyone in my family is already aware of what is going and we all agree. It is very hard however to explain this all situation in writing.
It is an impossible situation because we do not want them to get divorced, but we at the same time do not want my brother to be miserable. My mom or dad have suggested to my brother to go to couple counseling and that she should see a therapist, but I don’t think they want to do that. I am not even 100% sure whether she is also unhappy with their marriage. I would love to hang out with my brother alone and talk about it all, but I am sure it will be impossible. He does not want to admit it, but while she encourages in words his relationship with me (and my parents), is practice she is manipulating him. She tells him he can get back on his family chat, but then when he tells her he wants to, she gets anxiety, cries and does not sleep for 2 nights so, of course, my brother is not back on the chat...

See... I want to think that she is having a very hard time, that maybe did not want the pregnancy (they are mid 30s, but I think she wanted to wait a little more) and she will calm down And eventually become more normal.
But then when I think about Her actions I am afraid that she is either has mental issues or she is really a malicious and manipulative person. When she says “sure, you should go back on your family chat” and then goes crazy; when she decides to do the baptism 2 weeks after we left so that we could not attend; when she makes sure I cannot see the baby unless she is there; when she is upset at me about not reaching out to her directly (as opposed to my brother) when their daughter was at the hospital even after I showed her my brother’s message asking to not contact her because she was too stressed out... all of those things together give me a different picture. I hope I am wrong and that my brother did not make the biggest mistake of his life

Your brother isn’t unhappy in his marriage and is NOT getting divorced. He is scared of you and your family members and is telling you what you want to hear.