Anonymous wrote:15 is young, but all of you on this thread freaking out--you do know that most of your kids will drink before they are 21 right? If you do not think so, you are naive and kidding yourself.

Anonymous wrote:Not to the point of getting drunk, but maybe two beers while at a party?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't think the researcher is condoning rape, so stop trying to make that leap. She is saying that teens (male and female) put themself in dangerous situations when they drink.

Addiction isn't the only risk.

Thanks, PP. You got it right.

Other PP, come on. Don't be so disingenuous. Risky sexual behaviors are absolutely a consequence of alcohol misuse, however that topic may be phrased.

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Anonymous wrote:Serve my teen and I’ll report your ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would absolutely mind!
College is the earliest kids should try alcohol (responsibly, although it might be wishful thinking).

Not trying until college reduces the likelihood your kid will try responsibly then.

You made that up.

Kids who have never had alcohol, particularly if it is because of parent restrictions, are more likely to go crazy with the freedom of college. They are also less prepared to handle the effects of alcohol so are more likely to get trashed, intentionally or not.

NP, and you have literally no research to back that up.

As someone who studies alcohol addiction, you’re damn right I would mind if my 15 year old drank. I’m not so naive as to think teenagers never drink, but I’m not going to approve it or supply for them or tell them it’s okay. Same for weed. Both substances are terrible for developing brains.

The problem is that you’re surrounded with worst case scenario so you really actually don’t understand what happens to the majority of kids.

NP. I don't think you understand how research works...

How about you read a little bit about the research done around cops, firefighters, and therapists and how I was being around tragedy affects their ability to reason.

Addiction researcher here: you’re talking about trauma research. I know something about that, too, and it’s absolutely a risk factor for later development of addiction (and a whole host of other things). Your comment is a non sequiter, but I wanted to address the link between trauma and addiction.

As to the worst case scenario thing: I know how to interpret epidemiological and longitudinal studies. I’ve also treated patients with addiction, and know how to separate my clinical work from the research. Sure, the majority of kids who drink in adolescence don’t go on to develop alcohol addiction. That doesn’t mean it’s good for them or okay to do or NBD. I’ll try to modify those risk factors I can, thanks.

I agree with the researcher.

Plus, many of you are jumping to the worst case scenario — addiction. But there’s also impaired behavior and judgment. Having sex while drunk and later realizing you did not consent. Or you did not get consent. Or you drive drunk and get arrested. Or hurt. Or hurt someone else. Kids can barely manage their hormonal messy lives while sober. Don’t make it worse.

I'm the researcher, and the bolded is absolutely right. Addiction is a long-term outcome, but these proximal ones are also incredibly problematic.

Not wanting your kid to drink as a teen doesn't mean locking them in a cage and not letting them live. We can keep track of what our kids are doing and with whom, and that is, again, better than looking the other way.

You are an f'ing researcher and you are okay with this statement? "Having sex while drunk and later realizing you did not consent. Or you did not get consent" FFS, what is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't think the researcher is condoning rape, so stop trying to make that leap. She is saying that teens (male and female) put themself in dangerous situations when they drink.

Addiction isn't the only risk.

Thanks, PP. You got it right.

Other PP, come on. Don't be so disingenuous. Risky sexual behaviors are absolutely a consequence of alcohol misuse, however that topic may be phrased.

Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't think the researcher is condoning rape, so stop trying to make that leap. She is saying that teens (male and female) put themself in dangerous situations when they drink.

Addiction isn't the only risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would absolutely mind!
College is the earliest kids should try alcohol (responsibly, although it might be wishful thinking).

Not trying until college reduces the likelihood your kid will try responsibly then.

You made that up.

Kids who have never had alcohol, particularly if it is because of parent restrictions, are more likely to go crazy with the freedom of college. They are also less prepared to handle the effects of alcohol so are more likely to get trashed, intentionally or not.

NP, and you have literally no research to back that up.

As someone who studies alcohol addiction, you’re damn right I would mind if my 15 year old drank. I’m not so naive as to think teenagers never drink, but I’m not going to approve it or supply for them or tell them it’s okay. Same for weed. Both substances are terrible for developing brains.

The problem is that you’re surrounded with worst case scenario so you really actually don’t understand what happens to the majority of kids.

NP. I don't think you understand how research works...

How about you read a little bit about the research done around cops, firefighters, and therapists and how I was being around tragedy affects their ability to reason.

Addiction researcher here: you’re talking about trauma research. I know something about that, too, and it’s absolutely a risk factor for later development of addiction (and a whole host of other things). Your comment is a non sequiter, but I wanted to address the link between trauma and addiction.

As to the worst case scenario thing: I know how to interpret epidemiological and longitudinal studies. I’ve also treated patients with addiction, and know how to separate my clinical work from the research. Sure, the majority of kids who drink in adolescence don’t go on to develop alcohol addiction. That doesn’t mean it’s good for them or okay to do or NBD. I’ll try to modify those risk factors I can, thanks.

I agree with the researcher.

Plus, many of you are jumping to the worst case scenario — addiction. But there’s also impaired behavior and judgment. Having sex while drunk and later realizing you did not consent. Or you did not get consent. Or you drive drunk and get arrested. Or hurt. Or hurt someone else. Kids can barely manage their hormonal messy lives while sober. Don’t make it worse.

I'm the researcher, and the bolded is absolutely right. Addiction is a long-term outcome, but these proximal ones are also incredibly problematic.

Not wanting your kid to drink as a teen doesn't mean locking them in a cage and not letting them live. We can keep track of what our kids are doing and with whom, and that is, again, better than looking the other way.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would absolutely mind!
College is the earliest kids should try alcohol (responsibly, although it might be wishful thinking).

Not trying until college reduces the likelihood your kid will try responsibly then.

You made that up.

Kids who have never had alcohol, particularly if it is because of parent restrictions, are more likely to go crazy with the freedom of college. They are also less prepared to handle the effects of alcohol so are more likely to get trashed, intentionally or not.

NP, and you have literally no research to back that up.

As someone who studies alcohol addiction, you’re damn right I would mind if my 15 year old drank. I’m not so naive as to think teenagers never drink, but I’m not going to approve it or supply for them or tell them it’s okay. Same for weed. Both substances are terrible for developing brains.

The problem is that you’re surrounded with worst case scenario so you really actually don’t understand what happens to the majority of kids.

NP. I don't think you understand how research works...

How about you read a little bit about the research done around cops, firefighters, and therapists and how I was being around tragedy affects their ability to reason.

Addiction researcher here: you’re talking about trauma research. I know something about that, too, and it’s absolutely a risk factor for later development of addiction (and a whole host of other things). Your comment is a non sequiter, but I wanted to address the link between trauma and addiction.

As to the worst case scenario thing: I know how to interpret epidemiological and longitudinal studies. I’ve also treated patients with addiction, and know how to separate my clinical work from the research. Sure, the majority of kids who drink in adolescence don’t go on to develop alcohol addiction. That doesn’t mean it’s good for them or okay to do or NBD. I’ll try to modify those risk factors I can, thanks.

I agree with the researcher.

Plus, many of you are jumping to the worst case scenario — addiction. But there’s also impaired behavior and judgment. Having sex while drunk and later realizing you did not consent. Or you did not get consent. Or you drive drunk and get arrested. Or hurt. Or hurt someone else. Kids can barely manage their hormonal messy lives while sober. Don’t make it worse.

Anonymous wrote:Serve my teen and I’ll report your ass.