Anonymous wrote:Matt Gaetz is so dumb.

He was exercising his pledge to preserve and protect Trump's big fat a$$?

This was the action of petulant children
Absolutely disgraceful.

Anonymous wrote:How have these anarchists not been arrested? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pentagon-official-to-testify-about-ukraine-aid-in-house-impeachment-probe/2019/10/22/59c2c872-f518-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html Quite apart from violating the house rules just to throw a tantrum, they broke into a SCIF and I sincerely doubt they actually followed the protocol for entering a SCIF. For those who do not yet know what a SCIF is and why this is monumentally bad: https://mobile.twitter.com/MiekeEoyang/status/1187032800572125191

There is no hope for these clowns as they very clearly seek to overthrow the government.

This is serious third world banana republic stuff. IOW, just another day for today's Republican party.

Hey.. why not.. the French stormed the Bastille, and look how that turned out.. French Independence day and the beheading of the elite. I'm sure Trumpsters would love that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You did not answer it until this post. Sounds like you are inclined to think this is a procedural violation and not much more. I strongly disagree. As do multiple previous posters who have worked in SCIFs. And I think you are kind of right in your overall point in that the sustained outrage makes it difficult to keep being outraged. But I disagree that most of these things are not worthy of the outrage in the first place.

Almost all of Trump's issues would have individually consumed another Presidency.

Since you seem reasonable unlike most of the posters on this forum who are just blindly biased here is a serious thought for you. If the goal is to win the next election, find out the issues that matter to much of middle America and have an agenda that promotes those priorities. Now that is the way to win in 2020.

DP. This isn't about "winning", it's about following the Constitution and the law. Apparently, breaking the law means winning for you.

No, what matters to me is taking action that will bring about a victory for the Democrats. Impeachment will not result in Trump's removal. We can have more faux outrage about the Republicans tolerating Trump and allowing him to remain in office but there is a difference between reality and idealism. Democrats are just as opportunistic as Republicans and let us not pretend otherwise.

You have to be a troll, there's just no other way to explain it. This isn't about impeaching Trump or the 2020 election, this is about 25 GOP representatives who stormed a SCIF and brought their cell phones with them. That is a national security violation. But hey, don't believe me, and go try it yourself. You can jabber on at the police about winning elections while they hog tie you in a police car.

Then prosecute them if they broke the law. I am not willing to base guilt or innocence on hysteria.

I'm the very first PP you're responding to. I didn't write either of the other two posts in this thread. Taking a cell phone into a secure location isn't pronouncing innocence or guilt on hysteria. It's a fact/event. It happened or it didn't happen.

The most damaging thing Trump has done is completely eliminate a lot of American's abilities to determine fact and fiction. Or fact and opinion. This incident is not like, 'oh we all see it a different way' type thing. Secure rooms are set up for a reason to protect national security and compromising them is a big deal. One that, as another pp has pointed out multiple times, would get a regular employee fired without much question.

As for your other point. I used to be like you. 2020 is the most important thing, eyes on the prize. But Trump has to be impeached for posterity. We cannot have allowed a president to do what he has done without consequence, allowing it will erode norms for generations. It is the duty of congress to investigate presidential malfeasance and to remove from office or censure a president who violates his duties of office. I believe that it would politically smarter to not pursue this, but it would be like letting one person get away with murder because its too hard or awkward to prosecute. It would be wrong. My libertarian used to be a Republican husband thinks this even more than I do FWIW.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You did not answer it until this post. Sounds like you are inclined to think this is a procedural violation and not much more. I strongly disagree. As do multiple previous posters who have worked in SCIFs. And I think you are kind of right in your overall point in that the sustained outrage makes it difficult to keep being outraged. But I disagree that most of these things are not worthy of the outrage in the first place.

Almost all of Trump's issues would have individually consumed another Presidency.

Since you seem reasonable unlike most of the posters on this forum who are just blindly biased here is a serious thought for you. If the goal is to win the next election, find out the issues that matter to much of middle America and have an agenda that promotes those priorities. Now that is the way to win in 2020.

DP. This isn't about "winning", it's about following the Constitution and the law. Apparently, breaking the law means winning for you.

No, what matters to me is taking action that will bring about a victory for the Democrats. Impeachment will not result in Trump's removal. We can have more faux outrage about the Republicans tolerating Trump and allowing him to remain in office but there is a difference between reality and idealism. Democrats are just as opportunistic as Republicans and let us not pretend otherwise.

You have to be a troll, there's just no other way to explain it. This isn't about impeaching Trump or the 2020 election, this is about 25 GOP representatives who stormed a SCIF and brought their cell phones with them. That is a national security violation. But hey, don't believe me, and go try it yourself. You can jabber on at the police about winning elections while they hog tie you in a police car.

Then prosecute them if they broke the law. I am not willing to base guilt or innocence on hysteria.

Then wtf are you arguing about?!?! Do you know what thread you're on?

I do ...... do you?

Yes, I'm on the thread about 25 House GOP members violating national security, and the law, by storming a SCIF and bringing their cell phones inside, while you're blabbering about winning the next election. So you either don't know what thread you're on, or you do know, and you're a troll trying to deflect attention away from this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I did .... but I don't take an opening statement at face value. Whether the accusations are against a Republican or Democratic president, they should be subject to stringent questioning in a public forum. Taylor may be right ...... or he may be wrong ...... or it may be something in between.

It is in an investigatory phase right now. Next there will be a public hearing phase with plenty of opportunities for "cross examination." Assuming Trump is impeached then there will be a trial in the Senate with more cross examination.

Be careful what you wish for - public hearings will make things worse for Trump, not better.

As I said, I am not a Trump supporter but I am not on the bandwagon of condemning anything and everything that he does.

The question for me is not whether Trump will be removed from office - he will not. The question is whether any damage will take place to Trump in terms of his reelection. I doubt it but that remains to be seen.

Anonymous wrote:Nancy Pelosi is at her brother's funeral today which is why they chose today to illegally storm the SCIF.

No, there is no bottom.

They are all afraid of her!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No, that's not what I meant. I meant that Trump is uniquely and extremely opportunistic. This isn't a "both sides" issue.

Politicians and presidents on both sides are opportunistic. The only difference is that Trump does not give a crap unlike other politicians. It is both a strength and weakness of his.

He doesn't know the difference between what he should and should not do. That's not a good thing. As we see.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You did not answer it until this post. Sounds like you are inclined to think this is a procedural violation and not much more. I strongly disagree. As do multiple previous posters who have worked in SCIFs. And I think you are kind of right in your overall point in that the sustained outrage makes it difficult to keep being outraged. But I disagree that most of these things are not worthy of the outrage in the first place.

Almost all of Trump's issues would have individually consumed another Presidency.

Since you seem reasonable unlike most of the posters on this forum who are just blindly biased here is a serious thought for you. If the goal is to win the next election, find out the issues that matter to much of middle America and have an agenda that promotes those priorities. Now that is the way to win in 2020.

DP. This isn't about "winning", it's about following the Constitution and the law. Apparently, breaking the law means winning for you.

No, what matters to me is taking action that will bring about a victory for the Democrats. Impeachment will not result in Trump's removal. We can have more faux outrage about the Republicans tolerating Trump and allowing him to remain in office but there is a difference between reality and idealism. Democrats are just as opportunistic as Republicans and let us not pretend otherwise.

You have to be a troll, there's just no other way to explain it. This isn't about impeaching Trump or the 2020 election, this is about 25 GOP representatives who stormed a SCIF and brought their cell phones with them. That is a national security violation. But hey, don't believe me, and go try it yourself. You can jabber on at the police about winning elections while they hog tie you in a police car.

Then prosecute them if they broke the law. I am not willing to base guilt or innocence on hysteria.

Then wtf are you arguing about?!?! Do you know what thread you're on?

I do ...... do you?

It’s over. For now. https://twitter.com/tierney_megan/status/1187082114711347200?s=21

Nancy Pelosi is at her brother's funeral today which is why they chose today to illegally storm the SCIF.

No, there is no bottom.

Anonymous wrote:
No, that's not what I meant. I meant that Trump is uniquely and extremely opportunistic. This isn't a "both sides" issue.

Politicians and presidents on both sides are opportunistic. The only difference is that Trump does not give a crap unlike other politicians. It is both a strength and weakness of his.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You did not answer it until this post. Sounds like you are inclined to think this is a procedural violation and not much more. I strongly disagree. As do multiple previous posters who have worked in SCIFs. And I think you are kind of right in your overall point in that the sustained outrage makes it difficult to keep being outraged. But I disagree that most of these things are not worthy of the outrage in the first place.

Almost all of Trump's issues would have individually consumed another Presidency.

Since you seem reasonable unlike most of the posters on this forum who are just blindly biased here is a serious thought for you. If the goal is to win the next election, find out the issues that matter to much of middle America and have an agenda that promotes those priorities. Now that is the way to win in 2020.

DP. This isn't about "winning", it's about following the Constitution and the law. Apparently, breaking the law means winning for you.

No, what matters to me is taking action that will bring about a victory for the Democrats. Impeachment will not result in Trump's removal. We can have more faux outrage about the Republicans tolerating Trump and allowing him to remain in office but there is a difference between reality and idealism. Democrats are just as opportunistic as Republicans and let us not pretend otherwise.

Geez. You didn't read Taylor's statement, did you?

I did .... but I don't take an opening statement at face value. Whether the accusations are against a Republican or Democratic president, they should be subject to stringent questioning in a public forum. Taylor may be right ...... or he may be wrong ...... or it may be something in between.

It is in an investigatory phase right now. Next there will be a public hearing phase with plenty of opportunities for "cross examination." Assuming Trump is impeached then there will be a trial in the Senate with more cross examination.

Be careful what you wish for - public hearings will make things worse for Trump, not better.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You did not answer it until this post. Sounds like you are inclined to think this is a procedural violation and not much more. I strongly disagree. As do multiple previous posters who have worked in SCIFs. And I think you are kind of right in your overall point in that the sustained outrage makes it difficult to keep being outraged. But I disagree that most of these things are not worthy of the outrage in the first place.

Almost all of Trump's issues would have individually consumed another Presidency.

Since you seem reasonable unlike most of the posters on this forum who are just blindly biased here is a serious thought for you. If the goal is to win the next election, find out the issues that matter to much of middle America and have an agenda that promotes those priorities. Now that is the way to win in 2020.

DP. This isn't about "winning", it's about following the Constitution and the law. Apparently, breaking the law means winning for you.

No, what matters to me is taking action that will bring about a victory for the Democrats. Impeachment will not result in Trump's removal. We can have more faux outrage about the Republicans tolerating Trump and allowing him to remain in office but there is a difference between reality and idealism. Democrats are just as opportunistic as Republicans and let us not pretend otherwise.

You have to be a troll, there's just no other way to explain it. This isn't about impeaching Trump or the 2020 election, this is about 25 GOP representatives who stormed a SCIF and brought their cell phones with them. That is a national security violation. But hey, don't believe me, and go try it yourself. You can jabber on at the police about winning elections while they hog tie you in a police car.

Then prosecute them if they broke the law. I am not willing to base guilt or innocence on hysteria.

Then wtf are you arguing about?!?! Do you know what thread you're on?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You did not answer it until this post. Sounds like you are inclined to think this is a procedural violation and not much more. I strongly disagree. As do multiple previous posters who have worked in SCIFs. And I think you are kind of right in your overall point in that the sustained outrage makes it difficult to keep being outraged. But I disagree that most of these things are not worthy of the outrage in the first place.

Almost all of Trump's issues would have individually consumed another Presidency.

Since you seem reasonable unlike most of the posters on this forum who are just blindly biased here is a serious thought for you. If the goal is to win the next election, find out the issues that matter to much of middle America and have an agenda that promotes those priorities. Now that is the way to win in 2020.

DP. This isn't about "winning", it's about following the Constitution and the law. Apparently, breaking the law means winning for you.

No, what matters to me is taking action that will bring about a victory for the Democrats. Impeachment will not result in Trump's removal. We can have more faux outrage about the Republicans tolerating Trump and allowing him to remain in office but there is a difference between reality and idealism. Democrats are just as opportunistic as Republicans and let us not pretend otherwise.

You have to be a troll, there's just no other way to explain it. This isn't about impeaching Trump or the 2020 election, this is about 25 GOP representatives who stormed a SCIF and brought their cell phones with them. That is a national security violation. But hey, don't believe me, and go try it yourself. You can jabber on at the police about winning elections while they hog tie you in a police car.

Then prosecute them if they broke the law. I am not willing to base guilt or innocence on hysteria.

Hysteria? There are pictures of them entering with phones in their hands. They tweeted from inside the SCIF. Etc.