Anonymous
10/02/2023 19:03
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
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WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.
So, you think "southern Cotillion and country club" are WASP? There's your problem.
Bingo.
Baptists and Pentecostals don’t count as Protestant and Methodists are on the bubble.
Once again, your posts affirms that you have no clue.
NE WASP here, I actually think it’s on the money. Baptists and Pentecostals are definitely not in WASP culture. Presbyterians are. I don’t know about Methodists, not sure if I have ever met one.
There’s a lot of overlap in Methodist and Episcopalian families. I attended both growing up. Both sides of my family had Methodists and Episcopalians in each. Had a lot to do with politics around alcohol and other hot topics 100+ years ago. Methodists were a break away from Anglicans, so while the services are quite different, the British historical roots and common church history and as a result, family trees, are often overlapping.
With exception of Presbyterians, the Calvinists were never really fully integrated into the white anglo Saxon Protestant ranks.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 18:50
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
And same as NE, lots of drinking and tennis.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 18:48
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
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WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No, In the south it’s the same- right down to the family home not maintained- you need lineage to the founding British families too. They will let you in the club if you can afford it but they will never really invite you to join their social circle unless your granddaddy was a certain kind of man from a certain lineage. Only solid colors, nude nail polish kind of rules for the women. They left the episcopal church over politics and now are mostly Presbyterian and Methodist.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 18:25
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:It died the day I moved to California. The only wasps are the ones buzzing around my garden.
LOL, same. I forgot all about wasps once I left the east coast…and I’m only ever reminded about them on DCUM.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 18:22
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
.
???
WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.
So, you think "southern Cotillion and country club" are WASP? There's your problem.
Bingo.
Baptists and Pentecostals don’t count as Protestant and Methodists are on the bubble.
Once again, your posts affirms that you have no clue.
NE WASP here, I actually think it’s on the money. Baptists and Pentecostals are definitely not in WASP culture. Presbyterians are. I don’t know about Methodists, not sure if I have ever met one.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 18:07
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
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???
WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.
So, you think "southern Cotillion and country club" are WASP? There's your problem.
Bingo.
Baptists and Pentecostals don’t count as Protestant and Methodists are on the bubble.
Once again, your posts affirms that you have no clue.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 17:55
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
.
???
WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.
So, you think "southern Cotillion and country club" are WASP? There's your problem.
Bingo.
Baptists and Pentecostals don’t count as Protestant and Methodists are on the bubble.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 17:27
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
.
???
WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.
So, you think "southern Cotillion and country club" are WASP? There's your problem.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 16:37
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
.
???
WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.
+1 Clearly, the person to whom you responded has no clue.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 16:34
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Obviously the world has changed a lot in the last fifty years. Does this culture still exist and if so, how does in manifest in contemporary America?
Please define what you mean by WASP culture ..
Anonymous
10/02/2023 16:15
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
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???
WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.
Sorry, I forgot, you have to attended Ole Miss and have an affection for the “Old South”.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 14:30
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote: Wasp culture has become synonymous with UMC success.
Can join a country club?
Send kids to elite private?
Do you “summer”?
Live in the best enclave, with appropriate zoning? ( obviously this means no multi family dwellings ( exception: NYC)
That’s wasp culture.
Simply shorthand for making it.
You’re just trying to include yourself in the group.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 14:25
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Try to attend a DAR or Junior League meting in any city in the Southeast or New England.
Why would anyone try to attend a group about the American Revolution? And the Jr League of Boston is made up of all types of women and they are always recruiting new members because it’s not very popular.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 13:40
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:It exists in small pockets, mostly in New England but eminates out to some cities throughout the US where the NE WASPs have spread - obviously NYC, Philly, DC but also pockets in WASP-acceptable cities like SF.
Characteristics include private schools, country and yacht clubs, lots and lots of cocktail parties. Being social is very much part of WASP culture. Other markers include having a second home at a NE enclave, having a mean backhand, a good golf game, knowing your way around a boat and good skiing ability. Kids play lax and hockey (but this has spread to the Catholics and Jews so no longer exclusively WASP). Having a messed up kid or two, or at least one who works at a sailing shop rather than Wall St. is pretty par for the course.
And, of course, not being showy with one’s money is the number one characteristic.
Pretty much all of this, including the fact that certain Catholics and Jews can now be WASP-adjacent.
Anonymous
10/02/2023 12:39
Subject: Is “WASP” culture still a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Especially in the south.
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???
WASP culture isn't a thing at all in the south. Yes there are wealthy southerners, but it's not his same WASP culture that people here are describing.
It absolutely is a thing in the south. Hardcore. They are also southern, obviously, but their traditions and culture is heavily British heritage. They used to be in the Episcopal churches but since politics entered the church, most have left for more conservative baptist or Methodist churches. From the way they name their children, to the clothes they wear, to the way they socialize. Very WASPy.
The south is cosplay WASP -- kind of sweet in its aspirational quality, but nothing like true WASP. I know from true WASP. DH's family goes back to the Mayflower on both sides. Today, the most noteworthy characteristic uniting family members is drinking copious quantities of alcohol and playing tennis. Sometimes simultaneously. Also, nobody has money anymore; just East Coast beach real estate.
This is sort of true. All you need to be WASPy in the south are a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs. In the north all you need is a membership to Prouts Neck, parents who’s marriage was arranged over drinks at the R&T, a lineage going back to the mayflower including gilded age wealthy families, 2 grandfathers in banking, and a collection of houses that haven’t been kept up with for 2 generations.
Roughly equivalent entry requirements.
No way, try faking your way into the southern Cotillion and country club crowd with just a pair of red pants and a set of golf clubs and see how far it gets you.