Anonymous
Post 09/09/2019 08:41     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
The Maryland side also has more academics--UMD, but you also have to consider NIH.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2019 08:32     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
Takoma Park in particular has long been known as a center for activism and liberalism since the late 1960s--"The People's Republic of Takoma Park." In teh late 1970s/early 1980s, that really took off with the folk festival, rent control, Nuclear-free zone status, etc under mayor Sammie Abbott, a Marxist.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2019 08:27     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
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In other words, only the liberal elites can afford the liberal bastions of socialism, and the middle-class is being driven out?


When did "elites" come to mean "those people who support policies I dislike"?
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2019 08:25     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
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The reference was to taxpayers, implicitly those who pay the incomes taxes on which the rest of MC live. Top 10% of TPs pay roughly 70% of income taxes. MC can't survive on low to medium income TPs. What Maryland and MC actually should do is to reduce upper rates and to eliminate Maryland estate tax, eliminating the financial incentive to leave Maryland. States like AZ and FL depend on the arrival of retirees, many of which move there for tax reasons.



Yes, that's how it works in a system with progressive taxes. Actually that's a very common statistical distribution in general. The top 10-20% of [whatever] buy/use/pay/drink 70-80% of [whatever].

Also, it's absurd to say that the rest of Montgomery County lives on the rich people, but if the rest of Montgomery County actually did, it would be foolish to reduce the rich people's taxes.



Very simple. I can live in DMV and pay less taxes than I do in MC. DC and VA are both cheaper overall. You actually want to create reasonable incentives for rich to live, retire and die in MC. The opposite is the case now. Not only do the rich pay more in income taxes (70% as noted above), but the rich also spend more and our economy is highly dependent on consumption. Keep the rich here, keep their taxes here, and keep their spending here. Yes, MC entire reputation of good governance and good schools has been depended on the taxes paid by the top 10%. If a sizable portion of that top 10% leave, MC is screwed.


No, you do. I don't. There is a long list of things I want to do, and that's not on it.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2019 08:17     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
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Anonymous wrote:Good question. Proximity to DC, I guess? I'm a bleeding heart liberal in MoCo and love it here, but some of my conservative neighbors can't stop ranting about it.


And folks like me, a moderate Democrat, are tired of the silly SS and TP types that currently dominate MC politics. MC is well on the road toward being another CT, with serious financial problems and dwindling population of taxpayers. Enjoy! I am moving!


We moved, too! I have many friends still in Mo Co - many in denial - but one too strapped to move. She's disgusted by the schools and their lack of rigor and discipline.


The "dwindling population" is increasing every year.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/md/montgomery-county-population/

Even at the 2018 rate, that's 12 people a day that need new housing. Strange way to describe a "dwindling population".


The reference was to taxpayers, implicitly those who pay the incomes taxes on which the rest of MC live. Top 10% of TPs pay roughly 70% of income taxes. MC can't survive on low to medium income TPs. What Maryland and MC actually should do is to reduce upper rates and to eliminate Maryland estate tax, eliminating the financial incentive to leave Maryland. States like AZ and FL depend on the arrival of retirees, many of which move there for tax reasons.



Yes, a lot of folks move out of high col areas to lower col areas when they retire. We will, too, but it's not necessarily because of progressive politics. For example, I would *love* to retire to CA if I could, but housing costs are too high.

But high earners who are still working will stay in high col areas like MoCo because of the proximity to high paying jobs, which tend to be concentrated in progressive urban areas like the Bay Area and NYC, and DC. Those jobs are not located in very red counties in the US.


Why do you think that the housing costs are too high in CA, if not for the progressive politics? Do you honestly not see the link?

No.. it's high because lots of people with lots of money are moving there or getting rich there and buying up homes. And because the job market there is pretty hot, and so it drives up housing costs. I lived in CA for 40 years, both NorCal and SoCal. I think you don't know what you are talking about.

Same for places like NYC and DC are expensive of progressive policies. Wherever there are lots of educated people with high paying jobs the area turns blue.

So, what you are saying is that places like WV and NE are not progressive and that's why its cheap to live there? Well, you are partly correct... very conservative areas don't attract the highly educated or the high paying jobs. That's why housing costs in such places tend to be cheap.

Do you honestly not see that link?


In other words, only the liberal elites can afford the liberal bastions of socialism, and the middle-class is being driven out?
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2019 13:30     Subject: Re:Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
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Anonymous wrote:Education. Period.



Public schools!?!?!

I guess if you’re inferring that it’s possible because of the poor quality of education here, then I’d agree with you.


Well, my public school education taught me that the correct word is "implying," not "inferring."

Anonymous
Post 09/08/2019 12:09     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
Anonymous wrote:
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The reference was to taxpayers, implicitly those who pay the incomes taxes on which the rest of MC live. Top 10% of TPs pay roughly 70% of income taxes. MC can't survive on low to medium income TPs. What Maryland and MC actually should do is to reduce upper rates and to eliminate Maryland estate tax, eliminating the financial incentive to leave Maryland. States like AZ and FL depend on the arrival of retirees, many of which move there for tax reasons.



Yes, that's how it works in a system with progressive taxes. Actually that's a very common statistical distribution in general. The top 10-20% of [whatever] buy/use/pay/drink 70-80% of [whatever].

Also, it's absurd to say that the rest of Montgomery County lives on the rich people, but if the rest of Montgomery County actually did, it would be foolish to reduce the rich people's taxes.



Very simple. I can live in DMV and pay less taxes than I do in MC. DC and VA are both cheaper overall. You actually want to create reasonable incentives for rich to live, retire and die in MC. The opposite is the case now. Not only do the rich pay more in income taxes (70% as noted above), but the rich also spend more and our economy is highly dependent on consumption. Keep the rich here, keep their taxes here, and keep their spending here. Yes, MC entire reputation of good governance and good schools has been depended on the taxes paid by the top 10%. If a sizable portion of that top 10% leave, MC is screwed.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2019 04:21     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
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Anonymous wrote:If all this is true, then why are more white people moving into my neighborhood in MoCo, displacing the Hispanic renters?

where is this?


At the corner of Make Believe Ave and Fantasyland St.

That’s where.
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2019 18:47     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
Anonymous wrote:If all this is true, then why are more white people moving into my neighborhood in MoCo, displacing the Hispanic renters?

If global warming is true, then why was it cold where I am today?
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2019 18:40     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
When NIH began, many of the researchers and physicians were Jewish who settled in the surrounding suburbs. This attracted other Jews to the area because of synagogues, religious schools, and shops. They tend to be liberal.

Maryland is also a traditionally Catholic statement (having been named after the Blessed Virgin Mary) and has some ongoing Catholic liberalism.
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2019 17:21     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
OP, what you think as incredibly liberal is pretty central. You're just becoming an extremist.
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2019 17:15     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
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Anonymous wrote:Good question. Proximity to DC, I guess? I'm a bleeding heart liberal in MoCo and love it here, but some of my conservative neighbors can't stop ranting about it.


And folks like me, a moderate Democrat, are tired of the silly SS and TP types that currently dominate MC politics. MC is well on the road toward being another CT, with serious financial problems and dwindling population of taxpayers. Enjoy! I am moving!


We moved, too! I have many friends still in Mo Co - many in denial - but one too strapped to move. She's disgusted by the schools and their lack of rigor and discipline.


The "dwindling population" is increasing every year.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/md/montgomery-county-population/

Even at the 2018 rate, that's 12 people a day that need new housing. Strange way to describe a "dwindling population".


The reference was to taxpayers, implicitly those who pay the incomes taxes on which the rest of MC live. Top 10% of TPs pay roughly 70% of income taxes. MC can't survive on low to medium income TPs. What Maryland and MC actually should do is to reduce upper rates and to eliminate Maryland estate tax, eliminating the financial incentive to leave Maryland. States like AZ and FL depend on the arrival of retirees, many of which move there for tax reasons.



Yes, a lot of folks move out of high col areas to lower col areas when they retire. We will, too, but it's not necessarily because of progressive politics. For example, I would *love* to retire to CA if I could, but housing costs are too high.

But high earners who are still working will stay in high col areas like MoCo because of the proximity to high paying jobs, which tend to be concentrated in progressive urban areas like the Bay Area and NYC, and DC. Those jobs are not located in very red counties in the US.


Why do you think that the housing costs are too high in CA, if not for the progressive politics? Do you honestly not see the link?

No.. it's high because lots of people with lots of money are moving there or getting rich there and buying up homes. And because the job market there is pretty hot, and so it drives up housing costs. I lived in CA for 40 years, both NorCal and SoCal. I think you don't know what you are talking about.

Same for places like NYC and DC are expensive of progressive policies. Wherever there are lots of educated people with high paying jobs the area turns blue.

So, what you are saying is that places like WV and NE are not progressive and that's why its cheap to live there? Well, you are partly correct... very conservative areas don't attract the highly educated or the high paying jobs. That's why housing costs in such places tend to be cheap.

Do you honestly not see that link?
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2019 17:10     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
Anonymous wrote:If all this is true, then why are more white people moving into my neighborhood in MoCo, displacing the Hispanic renters?

where is this?
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2019 17:06     Subject: Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
If all this is true, then why are more white people moving into my neighborhood in MoCo, displacing the Hispanic renters?
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2019 11:21     Subject: Re:Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?
Anonymous wrote:MoCo is a in a death spiral

more and more illegal immigrant leaches

and more and more higher income folks moving to Virginia


Of course you'd show up. You always show up!