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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

Then put me on that list.

If Warren makes it, i'm going third party. She's way too progressive. And she thinks money will fall down from the heavens.

no thanks

Then you will get four more years of Trump, and you will deserve it. We can't afford the luxury of a third party candidate this round.

Better four more years of what we have than four years of the socialist revolution.

that's a false dichotomy, first

but second, i'd take the socialist revolution over more trump. i'd take almost anything over more trump, frankly.

Your choice -- not mine.

And I bet most Independents are like me....when a candidate promises to abolish the private insurance held by 180 million Americans, and to offer huge new entitlements to be funded by a more than questionable wealth tax...we think thanks but no thanks.

I am the PP you are responding to - and I don't fricking want a socialist revolution either. But we're not actually getting one and anyone who says we are is either hopelessly naive or just trying to scare you out of voting for a Democrat. I think a public option is the best way to improve healthcare. I cringe every time I hear the candidates talk about abolishing private healthcare. I cringe at a lot of things that are further left than I am - things that realistically they will never actually be able to pass because we just aren't that country.

But I sure as fck am not going to be scared out of voting for a Democrat by some braindead Trump supporter shouting SOCIALISM SOCIALISM SOCIALISM while propping up the military industrial contract, promoting crony capitalism to a sickening degree, and giving billions of dollars to already-rich agricultural barons while denying pennies and a basic safety net to ordinary people.

I believe your hate for Trump is making you ignore very obvious red flags among Dem candidates but, well, crazily enough we have more than a year to go and to see who actually proposed what.

Personally I am dismayed that a great and proven Governor like Hickenlooper is about to leave the race.

Anonymous wrote:For the low-information voter, and there are many, Warren is Hillary 2.0. If she's the front-runner we'll have Trump for another 4 years... or even longer...

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Anonymous wrote:Warren is now ahead of Bernie by a nose. Harris is borderline irrelevant after what Gabbard did to her. First primary is almost 6 months away so reading polls is a bit premature IMO.

Biden 30.3%
Warren 18..5%
Bernie 17.5%
Kamala 8.3%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_pre.38sidential_nomination-6730.html

national polls are garbage this is going to be decided in the first 4 states

Iowa and NH are what you should be focused on

This is a 5 person race. Everyone else should just drop out

Iowa

Biden 25
Warren 16
Harris 14
Sanders 12
Buttegie 7

NH

Biden 22
Sanders 19
Warren 16
Harris 9
Buteegie 8

Buteegie should also drop out. He’s by far the biggest among billionaires and near the top in Manhattan+DC. Doesn’t sound like the makings of a national politician to me.

You get to have that opinion. He impresses the heck out of. Although there are a dozen what male candidates polling lower that need to drop out first.

Well—11. Thanks Hickenlooper. Time to run for Senate

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Anonymous wrote:Warren is now ahead of Bernie by a nose. Harris is borderline irrelevant after what Gabbard did to her. First primary is almost 6 months away so reading polls is a bit premature IMO.

Biden 30.3%
Warren 18..5%
Bernie 17.5%
Kamala 8.3%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_pre.38sidential_nomination-6730.html

national polls are garbage this is going to be decided in the first 4 states

Iowa and NH are what you should be focused on

This is a 5 person race. Everyone else should just drop out

Iowa

Biden 25
Warren 16
Harris 14
Sanders 12
Buttegie 7

NH

Biden 22
Sanders 19
Warren 16
Harris 9
Buteegie 8

I’d like an SC poll. It’s a lost cause, but would help gauge NC and GA, both of which are swing. And maybe ROVA.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!

When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.

No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

Don't you realize that a lot of the expenditures you reference above (esp. the $800/month for health insurance) would be reduced or eliminated under her plans?

Anonymous wrote:I think she would do a good job and she won't select Harris as her running mate, so that's a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't gain any advantage from that. It is just part of the family history of many people in Oklahoma to think they have native american DNA, which she did

That doesn't quite capture the issue. She claimed to be part Native American, a woman of color. Tribal membership is not determined by genetics. For someone who grew up in Oklahoma, she seems ignorant of the politics concerning Native American heritage.

Plus she DID lie and she DID leverage that lie.

Eh. Even if she did, tell me, which number of lies is bigger: 1 or 12,300?

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People, looking at the news today about how Clinton and Gore are alleged to have visited Epstein's island... no man is safe from suspicion.


WE NEED TO COALESCE AROUND A WOMAN CANDIDATE.

Palin?

Someone more electable, hopefully.

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Anonymous wrote:Warren is now ahead of Bernie by a nose. Harris is borderline irrelevant after what Gabbard did to her. First primary is almost 6 months away so reading polls is a bit premature IMO.

Biden 30.3%
Warren 18..5%
Bernie 17.5%
Kamala 8.3%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_pre.38sidential_nomination-6730.html

national polls are garbage this is going to be decided in the first 4 states

Iowa and NH are what you should be focused on

This is a 5 person race. Everyone else should just drop out

Iowa

Biden 25
Warren 16
Harris 14
Sanders 12
Buttegie 7

NH

Biden 22
Sanders 19
Warren 16
Harris 9
Buteegie 8

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Anonymous wrote:Warren is now ahead of Bernie by a nose. Harris is borderline irrelevant after what Gabbard did to her. First primary is almost 6 months away so reading polls is a bit premature IMO.

Biden 30.3%
Warren 18..5%
Bernie 17.5%
Kamala 8.3%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_pre.38sidential_nomination-6730.html

national polls are garbage this is going to be decided in the first 4 states

Iowa and NH are what you should be focused on

This is a 5 person race. Everyone else should just drop out

Iowa

Biden 25
Warren 16
Harris 14
Sanders 12
Buttegie 7

NH

Biden 22
Sanders 19
Warren 16
Harris 9
Buteegie 8

Buteegie should also drop out. He’s by far the biggest among billionaires and near the top in Manhattan+DC. Doesn’t sound like the makings of a national politician to me.

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Anonymous wrote:For the low-information voter, and there are many, Warren is Hillary 2.0. If she's the front-runner we'll have Trump for another 4 years... or even longer...

+1. Lizzie Lovers had better wake up. I know that you're thrilled that she drew a crowd of 600 - 700 people today in New Hampshire. Whoppee.

Just realize that Trump is also speaking in New Hampshire tonight, and, 17 miles away, vendors are doing a brisk business in Trump 2020 merchandise, because so many people had to park there.

A brisk business eh? How incredibly predictive that is.

And I’m sure Trump will draw millions to his rally as usual.

Anonymous wrote:I like her. Who would be her VP? Booker or Harris? Or maybe the former Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick?

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Anonymous wrote:For the low-information voter, and there are many, Warren is Hillary 2.0. If she's the front-runner we'll have Trump for another 4 years... or even longer...

+1. Lizzie Lovers had better wake up. I know that you're thrilled that she drew a crowd of 600 - 700 people today in New Hampshire. Whoppee.

Just realize that Trump is also speaking in New Hampshire tonight, and, 17 miles away, vendors are doing a brisk business in Trump 2020 merchandise, because so many people had to park there.

Anonymous wrote:For the low-information voter, and there are many, Warren is Hillary 2.0. If she's the front-runner we'll have Trump for another 4 years... or even longer...

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Anonymous wrote:I like her. Who would be her VP? Booker or Harris? Or maybe the former Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick?

Pocahontas will be demolished by Trump. Vote for Warren if you want 4 more years of Trump.