Anonymous wrote:The planet was fine for millions of years without border fences. Anarchists are true conservatives.

lol

ever study the conquerors?

https://www.reckontalk.com/top-10-greatest-conquerors-of-all-time-history/

The most worrisome thing is that the number of unauthorized immigrants in the US has DECLINED since 2007 (and had declined between 2007 and 2016 btw) as well as border apprehensions.
While the political baiting about invasions has INCREASED and the management of the system has devolved into chaos.

How is it a system that is dealing with FEWER cases is MORE overwhelmed?

https://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/

D here.

Allow asylum applications to be made from consulates and embassies outside the US, instead of ONLY in the US and at border crossings. Right now asylum seekers at San Diego crossings are stuck in Tijuana, the single most dangerous city in the world.
End the travel bans.
End for-profit companies from operating detention facilities.
Prosecute companies hiring undocumented workers--as Jake Tapper pointed out yesterday when interviewing the head of CBP, NO companies were prosecuted in 2018 for hiring undocumented workers. NONE.
Guest worker visas--when the abrazo program ended years ago, CBP predicted an increase in illegal border crossings.
Stop the "invasion" hype. I have a SIL who listens to OneAmerica (the new Fox News, apparently) and insists the number of illegal crossings is 400,00 a day. If that were the case, we would have had a 146 million population increase in the last 12 months.
Own up to the history of US policies in Central America as a major contributing factor in the region's problems (and the fact that to the extent drugs are being brought in, they are going to US consumers).

I would like to hear more specifics from both sides about ideas for immigration reform--there have been many bipartisan attempts in the past 20 years, all of which have collapsed over partisan politics including racism.

The history of the Mexican border as a region for illegal border crossing AND human smugglers originated in the 1920s--back when the illegal immigrants were Jews. Interesting bit of history I only recently learned about.

There have been a number of well-publicized cases about people whose deportations had been stayed for years with the condition the individuals report regularly to immigration officials, only to be taken into custody recently and deported.

Require the US to monitor the fate of asylum seekers not granted asylum status and returned to other countries. This would be a requirement in any agreement with other countries to accept deportees.

Most democrats are against illegal immigration. What we need to worry is having a president that is not so old that some quack like Pence has to take over!

I came here legally. Naturalized citizen. I expect everyone else to do the same. No excuses!!!

Anonymous wrote:The planet was fine for millions of years without border fences. Anarchists are true conservatives.

You don't believe in Evolution?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, immigration threads on DCUM are so depressing. They always bring out the fascists who probably go to church on Sundays and fancy themselves good people ...

Where did you learn your history?

Fascists didn't go to church. They actually hated the Church...just like antifa.

Haven't you learned? Anyone on DCUM that doesn't agree with you is either a racist of a fascist. Sometimes both. It's a rule.

+1 they just drop insults while adding nothing to the conversation

I started a 20+ page thread a few weeks ago to discuss the economic research on immigration. not a single one of you xenophobes engaged honestly - or even dishonestly! You have zero interest in understanding. Just a disgusting, racist zeal to get rid of people you have been convinced don't belong here.

Oh, I remember you. You’re that idiotic poster who refused to accept anything anyone else was saying because you disagreed and didn’t want to hear it. No matter that many of us had done our OWN research and presented our OWN sources to back up our opinions. You simply refused to listen to anyone who wasn’t in full agreement with you. People were mocking you because you were so obnoxious. Thanks for the reminder. I definitely won’t be engaging with you again.

-DP

No, literally not a single person in that thread discussed the research I posted or provided other research. It was really absurd, and sad, and telling. Mock me all you want - just demonstrating again you're motivated by your dislike of seeing immigrants in your town than by actual research.

DP

Please be accurate.

I am a legal immigrant. I have no problems with ANY of the legal immigrants in 'my town'. They are more than welcome and I do not dislike any of them. (Except the one lady who lets her dog poop on my lawn).

I do, however, have a problem with illegal immigration. I don't even really dislike the illegal immigrants in 'my town'. I have gotten to know many of them and my kids attend school with them.

I do see how illegal immigration has negatively affected my community and my kids' school, and I dislike that. I recognize that there needs to be some changes because this cannot continue.

blah blah blah illegal blah blah blah don't like poor people blah blah blah

post again when you have something substantive to say.

One may say the same about PP

Anonymous wrote:The planet was fine for millions of years without border fences. Anarchists are true conservatives.

That's because there were no social welfare programs for millions of years.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a democrat and wish there were humane but common sense immigration reforms to include stronger enforcement along the border, no family separation during detention, real consequences for employers of undocumented employees, realistic numbers of temporary work visas that include STEM professions and also blue collar workers in key industries like agriculture, construction, etc.

I supported DACA because at some point we need to invest in kids who were raised here and let them contribute as employable, tax-paying would-be citizen.

I've spent many years in and around Latin America and have met so many people who have worked illegally in the U.S. and then gone back to their home countries (voluntarily or by deportation).

Most really don't want to live forever in the U.S. They get "stuck" there because of their illegal status and often live relatively lonely lives while losing contact with home. I think if they had, say, a five-year work visa tied to an industry (not to a specific employer) that allowed them to travel and return, they would be much more likely to maintain ties in their home countries and more likely to leave at the end of the visa.

Regarding DACA- who better to go back and make changes for the betterment of their countries than someone who has an American education and understanding of how our system works?

Regarding not wanting to live in the US - a Marshall Plan type of investment would be the best way to address this. We need to make their countries liveable so they dont come here. This would only work when coupled with strict border and Visa enforcement and no benefits for being here illegally

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/marshall-plan-1 The USA was aiding in replacing infrastructure destroyed because of WW2. Money was grants and we only recouped 5%. IMHO Germany and any Axis countries should have been on a repayment plan.

ERP, European Recovery Program, cost $13b or about $100b in todays money. That amount of money is small compared to funds the US taxpayers have sent to other counties and regions since The Marshall Plan. Those larger amounts have not had the same success. Why?

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/look-behind-marshall-plan-mythology

LA Times with a frankly honest article on Central America and illegal immigration. It's economic and remittances:
https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-migrants-todossantos-20190711-story.html

As for the Mauritania deportee, NO ONE should be allowed to check in for 20 years and not be deported. E verify has to be mandatory and birth right citizenship allowed via the intent of the law not the practice. Considering the Central American remittance economy the USA should have a guest worker program - 1 year only and worker only. Application in those countries and return required. HB1 should be 1 year and NO family. Visa overstays deported. Warren stated a path to citizenship for student visa overstays? Sad.

Letting them work for a year only is actually a good plan IMO. there should also be a clause that they must go back early if they get pregnant before their one year is up. Otherwise the taxpayer is on the hook for hospital delivery, schooling and welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a democrat and wish there were humane but common sense immigration reforms to include stronger enforcement along the border, no family separation during detention, real consequences for employers of undocumented employees, realistic numbers of temporary work visas that include STEM professions and also blue collar workers in key industries like agriculture, construction, etc.

I supported DACA because at some point we need to invest in kids who were raised here and let them contribute as employable, tax-paying would-be citizen.

I've spent many years in and around Latin America and have met so many people who have worked illegally in the U.S. and then gone back to their home countries (voluntarily or by deportation).

Most really don't want to live forever in the U.S. They get "stuck" there because of their illegal status and often live relatively lonely lives while losing contact with home. I think if they had, say, a five-year work visa tied to an industry (not to a specific employer) that allowed them to travel and return, they would be much more likely to maintain ties in their home countries and more likely to leave at the end of the visa.

Regarding DACA- who better to go back and make changes for the betterment of their countries than someone who has an American education and understanding of how our system works?

Regarding not wanting to live in the US - a Marshall Plan type of investment would be the best way to address this. We need to make their countries liveable so they dont come here. This would only work when coupled with strict border and Visa enforcement and no benefits for being here illegally

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/marshall-plan-1 The USA was aiding in replacing infrastructure destroyed because of WW2. Money was grants and we only recouped 5%. IMHO Germany and any Axis countries should have been on a repayment plan.

ERP, European Recovery Program, cost $13b or about $100b in todays money. That amount of money is small compared to funds the US taxpayers have sent to other counties and regions since The Marshall Plan. Those larger amounts have not had the same success. Why?

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/look-behind-marshall-plan-mythology

LA Times with a frankly honest article on Central America and illegal immigration. It's economic and remittances:
https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-migrants-todossantos-20190711-story.html

As for the Mauritania deportee, NO ONE should be allowed to check in for 20 years and not be deported. E verify has to be mandatory and birth right citizenship allowed via the intent of the law not the practice. Considering the Central American remittance economy the USA should have a guest worker program - 1 year only and worker only. Application in those countries and return required. HB1 should be 1 year and NO family. Visa overstays deported. Warren stated a path to citizenship for student visa overstays? Sad.

Anonymous wrote:8 pages discussing proposals to “decriminalize” border crossings by Trump supporters who seem to know nothing about anything.

If you truly care about this issue, the facts are readily available. The rest of you are just nutty racists who enjoy kidnapping brown children and keeping them in cages.

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18760665/1325-immigration-castro-democratic-debate

It was very clear what he was talking about. It's open borders if everyone knows that there are no consequences for crossing. And actually no one enjoys kidnapping children -brown or otherwise. Here is a hint: if they stayed on the Mexican side of the border, the kids are theirs to keep. No one wants them here, certainly not to kidnap.

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Anonymous wrote:8 pages discussing proposals to “decriminalize” border crossings by Trump supporters who seem to know nothing about anything.

If you truly care about this issue, the facts are readily available. The rest of you are just nutty racists who enjoy kidnapping brown children and keeping them in cages.

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18760665/1325-immigration-castro-democratic-debate

+1. This thread is exhibit A in why people think Trump supporters are low-information.

Here's the main point from Vox:

Under that plan, an immigrant crossing into the US without papers, whether he was seeking asylum in the US or coming for some other reason, would not be committing a federal crime. If caught by Border Patrol agents, she’d be detained for a brief amount of time, but if she didn’t raise any red flags, she’d be released into the US (with a case management system to check up on her whereabouts) pending an immigration hearing. If she didn’t qualify for some form of legal status like asylum, she’d still ultimately be ordered deported from the US.

If it's a fed crime, people are locked up and the courts are backlogged.

If it's decriminalized, more people will enter (Who's going to argue against THIS point?), BP will have to still process them - looking for "red flags" - and then they're released and given an immigration hearing to determine whether they stay or go.

Basically, if BP is overwhelmed now, this measure won't lessen their load.

still not a better option - in fact, a slippery slope

The planet was fine for millions of years without border fences. Anarchists are true conservatives.

Anonymous wrote:Not true of all Dems. I'm with him:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu

Amen to that. Sadly, he probably doesn’t even recognize today’s Dem party.

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Anonymous wrote:8 pages discussing proposals to “decriminalize” border crossings by Trump supporters who seem to know nothing about anything.

If you truly care about this issue, the facts are readily available. The rest of you are just nutty racists who enjoy kidnapping brown children and keeping them in cages.

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18760665/1325-immigration-castro-democratic-debate

+1. This thread is exhibit A in why people think Trump supporters are low-information.

Far from it. just keep telling decent, law-abiding folks that they "enjoy kidnapping brown children" because they dare speak out about the negative consequences of illegal immigration - and watch Trump win again.

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