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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

No. It also be the top football school for over a decade.

You're wrong in the first part. In the '90s Seneca Valley was a top football school, having won the state 6 times in that decade but the school was still majority minorities.

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Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

In 1974, Seneca Valley HS was basically surrounded by farmland. True fact.

(I agree that "redneck" is a pejorative, and people shouldn't use the word.)

We are not talking about 1974, we're talking about '90s as the poster claimed.

Growing up in the 80's in Olney it was farmland and considered very rednecky.....

Anonymous wrote:Redneck is a racist term please stop throwing it around

White people coined that term for other white people.

Anonymous wrote:Redneck is a racist term please stop throwing it around

No, it's not racist, but it is bigoted. Also classist. People should feel free to use the term to describe themselves, if they want, but I don't think that people should use the term to describe others.

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Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

In 1974, Seneca Valley HS was basically surrounded by farmland. True fact.

(I agree that "redneck" is a pejorative, and people shouldn't use the word.)

Redneck is a racist term please stop throwing it around

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

No. It also be the top football school for over a decade.

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Not one of the previous posters, but I find it funny that PP thinks that folks in the 90s really thought about some of the cities as being in MoCo affiliated. In reality places like Silver Spring was just thought of as their own separate city, right outside of DC. Little thought was given to the fact that it resided in MoCo.

I find this hard to believe, given that most of the east county is Silver Spring. Leisure World, part of Silver Spring, that separate city, right outside of DC...

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

It just cracks me up that since they don't "like" the idea that this was the perception of MoCo in the 90s, they just simply say "its not true"

I know everyone here likes to think of themselves as super education and advanced and the elite county in the entire country. But there was (and still is) a strong redneck presence in the county. And 30 years ago, when the county was predomanitely white, the perception of MoCo was rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase, and Rednecks further up.

And yes, we all understood there was a middle class in between. But it was a joke. But it was 100% said. Outloud. By real people

That tells us a lot of the kind of people you were around.
For the majority of people in DC, MoCo was Silver Spring, Rockville, part of Takoma Park, Bethesda, Wheaton, Potomac, Gaithersburg. Most didn't even know if there were such places as Poolesville and Damascus. Up north was Fredneck.

Not one of the previous posters, but I find it funny that PP thinks that folks in the 90s really thought about some of the cities as being in MoCo affiliated. In reality places like Silver Spring was just thought of as their own separate city, right outside of DC. Little thought was given to the fact that it resided in MoCo.

Maybe that's what you thought personally, but as a long time resident I never had this peculiar view. I thought of these areas as moco.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

It just cracks me up that since they don't "like" the idea that this was the perception of MoCo in the 90s, they just simply say "its not true"

I know everyone here likes to think of themselves as super education and advanced and the elite county in the entire country. But there was (and still is) a strong redneck presence in the county. And 30 years ago, when the county was predomanitely white, the perception of MoCo was rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase, and Rednecks further up.

And yes, we all understood there was a middle class in between. But it was a joke. But it was 100% said. Outloud. By real people

That tells us a lot of the kind of people you were around.
For the majority of people in DC, MoCo was Silver Spring, Rockville, part of Takoma Park, Bethesda, Wheaton, Potomac, Gaithersburg. Most didn't even know if there were such places as Poolesville and Damascus. Up north was Fredneck.

Not one of the previous posters, but I find it funny that PP thinks that folks in the 90s really thought about some of the cities as being in MoCo affiliated. In reality places like Silver Spring was just thought of as their own separate city, right outside of DC. Little thought was given to the fact that it resided in MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

It just cracks me up that since they don't "like" the idea that this was the perception of MoCo in the 90s, they just simply say "its not true"

I know everyone here likes to think of themselves as super education and advanced and the elite county in the entire country. But there was (and still is) a strong redneck presence in the county. And 30 years ago, when the county was predomanitely white, the perception of MoCo was rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase, and Rednecks further up.

And yes, we all understood there was a middle class in between. But it was a joke. But it was 100% said. Outloud. By real people

That tells us a lot of the kind of people you were around.
For the majority of people in DC, MoCo was Silver Spring, Rockville, part of Takoma Park, Bethesda, Wheaton, Potomac, Gaithersburg. Most didn't even know if there were such places as Poolesville and Damascus. Up north was Fredneck.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

It just cracks me up that since they don't "like" the idea that this was the perception of MoCo in the 90s, they just simply say "its not true"

I know everyone here likes to think of themselves as super education and advanced and the elite county in the entire country. But there was (and still is) a strong redneck presence in the county. And 30 years ago, when the county was predomanitely white, the perception of MoCo was rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase, and Rednecks further up.

And yes, we all understood there was a middle class in between. But it was a joke. But it was 100% said. Outloud. By real people

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks

This is a joke, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

Again it has never been used to describe MoCo, and especially not in the late 90s. You're probably confusing Frederick, which used to be called Fredneck, with MoCo.
I have lived in the area for over 35 years.

Congrats. I've lived in the DMV for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that it was called that, and especially for those of us that lived in the District at the time, that was 100% the perception of MoCo:

- Rich people in Bethesda & Chevy Chase
- Rednecks in Poolesvile/Clarksburg/Damascus

And yes, the perception of Frederick at that time was also of Rednecks. But there was no reason to say that 'rich people' lived there.

That's moving the goal post from what you said earlier.
Everyone knows that there are rednecks in Poolesville, Damascus but that's different from saying MoCo used to be called " the rich and the rednecks", as if those are the only places in MoCo. What about the rest of MoCo (the majority of it)?
I got to wonder what kind of people you frequent who only think of MoCo as Bethesda/Chevy Chase and the whitest areas?
Don't tell me

We were talking about the perception of MoCo in the 90s....when ya know, it was predominately white: https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf slide 25

No, it was not called "the rich and the rednecks" nor was it the perception in the 90s, even though the county was majority White.

Yes it was Seneca Valley was rednecks