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Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the lack of a strong middle class. In the DMV and other strong economic areas we are becoming a society of wealthy high educated members served by a large lower class. Automation and technology has taken a hammer to entry level middle class jobs, sales and other previously well paying changes work that didn't require huge amounts of edUcation or skills. Our school systems are starting to reflect these income gaps. The amount of immigration hasn't changed that much over time.

No the proportion of poor people is increasing

The proportion of people who won't parent properly and/or care about education is increasing

We need to stop funneling everyone into college tracks. There are plenty of middle class jobs that are still available the don't involve going to a 4 year degree problem.

THIS

Gross.

So these beliefs are exactly the problem. They led to extreme bias in education where low income children and children of color were far less likely to be challenged or accelerated even when their test scores and abilities merited it.

DP:
Sweetheart, the world needs plumbers. That’s not a bad thing. Skilled trades are nothing to be ashamed of. I find your classism to be “gross”.

We should discuss the fact that truly poor kids can’t even access vocational programs to become plumbers or electricians. A friend paid for the apprenticeship program for her son and it was $8K.

In most schools systems, kids are not allowed into the vocational programs unless they are completing their other classes successfully and will graduate on time. Skilled trades are nothing to mess around with and you still need a high degree of reading competency as well as basic algebra and geometry skills. Fro example, having worked in construction it is embarrassing when carpenters can't calculate measurements or angles for roof framing. The old "strong back and weak mind" joke no longer applies. Cheap immigrant labor does all the "bitch" work like painting, hauling concrete, lumber, cleaning up, etc. Skilled labor needs serious math and reading skills. The wealthiest people I know are electricians who started their own companies and now have net worth of over $20 million.

BS. What electrician has a net worth of over $20 million? I know people in investment banking and private equity who don't have that net worth.

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the lack of a strong middle class. In the DMV and other strong economic areas we are becoming a society of wealthy high educated members served by a large lower class. Automation and technology has taken a hammer to entry level middle class jobs, sales and other previously well paying changes work that didn't require huge amounts of edUcation or skills. Our school systems are starting to reflect these income gaps. The amount of immigration hasn't changed that much over time.

No the proportion of poor people is increasing

The proportion of people who won't parent properly and/or care about education is increasing

We need to stop funneling everyone into college tracks. There are plenty of middle class jobs that are still available the don't involve going to a 4 year degree problem.

THIS

Gross.

So these beliefs are exactly the problem. They led to extreme bias in education where low income children and children of color were far less likely to be challenged or accelerated even when their test scores and abilities merited it.

DP:
Sweetheart, the world needs plumbers. That’s not a bad thing. Skilled trades are nothing to be ashamed of. I find your classism to be “gross”.

We should discuss the fact that truly poor kids can’t even access vocational programs to become plumbers or electricians. A friend paid for the apprenticeship program for her son and it was $8K.

In most schools systems, kids are not allowed into the vocational programs unless they are completing their other classes successfully and will graduate on time. Skilled trades are nothing to mess around with and you still need a high degree of reading competency as well as basic algebra and geometry skills. Fro example, having worked in construction it is embarrassing when carpenters can't calculate measurements or angles for roof framing. The old "strong back and weak mind" joke no longer applies. Cheap immigrant labor does all the "bitch" work like painting, hauling concrete, lumber, cleaning up, etc. Skilled labor needs serious math and reading skills. The wealthiest people I know are electricians who started their own companies and now have net worth of over $20 million.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in ACPS and thinking of leaving before middle school. I look at the threads on DCUM about other districts and get the feeling that there's nowhere really better to go, except private. And even then people complain. Sheesh.

Well, you’ll take about a 20% pay cut and the benefits are worse. If you can stay public, I would.

Pp, here. Just assumed you were a teacher. Moo moo.

Anonymous wrote:I'm in ACPS and thinking of leaving before middle school. I look at the threads on DCUM about other districts and get the feeling that there's nowhere really better to go, except private. And even then people complain. Sheesh.

Well, you’ll take about a 20% pay cut and the benefits are worse. If you can stay public, I would.

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the lack of a strong middle class. In the DMV and other strong economic areas we are becoming a society of wealthy high educated members served by a large lower class. Automation and technology has taken a hammer to entry level middle class jobs, sales and other previously well paying changes work that didn't require huge amounts of edUcation or skills. Our school systems are starting to reflect these income gaps. The amount of immigration hasn't changed that much over time.

No the proportion of poor people is increasing

The proportion of people who won't parent properly and/or care about education is increasing

We need to stop funneling everyone into college tracks. There are plenty of middle class jobs that are still available the don't involve going to a 4 year degree problem.

THIS

Gross.

So these beliefs are exactly the problem. They led to extreme bias in education where low income children and children of color were far less likely to be challenged or accelerated even when their test scores and abilities merited it.

DP:
Sweetheart, the world needs plumbers. That’s not a bad thing. Skilled trades are nothing to be ashamed of. I find your classism to be “gross”.

We should discuss the fact that truly poor kids can’t even access vocational programs to become plumbers or electricians. A friend paid for the apprenticeship program for her son and it was $8K.

Pell grant

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Anonymous wrote:I think more and more people are waking up to the fact that all the schools around here are being overrun by underperformers which takes away time and resources from everyone else

The above average performers are either clustering in the remaining "decent school pyramids" aka the wealthier ones supplementing and desperately holding on or going private

The average performers are really hurting and I think people are waking up and saying enough is enough you need to focus on my children

As a liberal, I hate agreeing with your post.

+1

FCPS parent here and I agree with everything. It sucks when you are not wealthy and cannot afford the more expensive pyramids or private schools. My kids are in elementary and I fear it will only get worse.

Nah. Elementary school is not FCPS's forte. MS is better and HS is really pretty good. Your kids will be fine.

And let’s be clear- statistically speaking: a lot of us have to deal with the fact that our average kids are average. And that’s really fine too.

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the lack of a strong middle class. In the DMV and other strong economic areas we are becoming a society of wealthy high educated members served by a large lower class. Automation and technology has taken a hammer to entry level middle class jobs, sales and other previously well paying changes work that didn't require huge amounts of edUcation or skills. Our school systems are starting to reflect these income gaps. The amount of immigration hasn't changed that much over time.

No the proportion of poor people is increasing

The proportion of people who won't parent properly and/or care about education is increasing

We need to stop funneling everyone into college tracks. There are plenty of middle class jobs that are still available the don't involve going to a 4 year degree problem.

THIS

Gross.

So these beliefs are exactly the problem. They led to extreme bias in education where low income children and children of color were far less likely to be challenged or accelerated even when their test scores and abilities merited it.

DP:
Sweetheart, the world needs plumbers. That’s not a bad thing. Skilled trades are nothing to be ashamed of. I find your classism to be “gross”.

We should discuss the fact that truly poor kids can’t even access vocational programs to become plumbers or electricians. A friend paid for the apprenticeship program for her son and it was $8K.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more and more people are waking up to the fact that all the schools around here are being overrun by underperformers which takes away time and resources from everyone else

The above average performers are either clustering in the remaining "decent school pyramids" aka the wealthier ones supplementing and desperately holding on or going private

The average performers are really hurting and I think people are waking up and saying enough is enough you need to focus on my children

As a liberal, I hate agreeing with your post.

+1

FCPS parent here and I agree with everything. It sucks when you are not wealthy and cannot afford the more expensive pyramids or private schools. My kids are in elementary and I fear it will only get worse.

Nah. Elementary school is not FCPS's forte. MS is better and HS is really pretty good. Your kids will be fine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think more and more people are waking up to the fact that all the schools around here are being overrun by underperformers which takes away time and resources from everyone else

The above average performers are either clustering in the remaining "decent school pyramids" aka the wealthier ones supplementing and desperately holding on or going private

The average performers are really hurting and I think people are waking up and saying enough is enough you need to focus on my children

As a liberal, I hate agreeing with your post.

+1

FCPS parent here and I agree with everything. It sucks when you are not wealthy and cannot afford the more expensive pyramids or private schools. My kids are in elementary and I fear it will only get worse.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the lack of a strong middle class. In the DMV and other strong economic areas we are becoming a society of wealthy high educated members served by a large lower class. Automation and technology has taken a hammer to entry level middle class jobs, sales and other previously well paying changes work that didn't require huge amounts of edUcation or skills. Our school systems are starting to reflect these income gaps. The amount of immigration hasn't changed that much over time.

No the proportion of poor people is increasing

The proportion of people who won't parent properly and/or care about education is increasing

We need to stop funneling everyone into college tracks. There are plenty of middle class jobs that are still available the don't involve going to a 4 year degree problem.

THIS

Gross.

So these beliefs are exactly the problem. They led to extreme bias in education where low income children and children of color were far less likely to be challenged or accelerated even when their test scores and abilities merited it.

DP:
Sweetheart, the world needs plumbers. That’s not a bad thing. Skilled trades are nothing to be ashamed of. I find your classism to be “gross”.

Yup ppp is the one that is racist/classist that is assuming poor people and people of color are going to go into trade tracks

The 4 year education model is broken. It's expensive and a waste for many

Imagine if in high school you could get IT certifications, you could get real healthcare experience, hands on engineering/manufacturing experience, and yes also trades and various other careers. This isn't your standard vo-tech from 25 years ago. These jobs are a lifeline to the middle class instead of massive debt dropping out or worthless diploma mill "degrees".

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the lack of a strong middle class. In the DMV and other strong economic areas we are becoming a society of wealthy high educated members served by a large lower class. Automation and technology has taken a hammer to entry level middle class jobs, sales and other previously well paying changes work that didn't require huge amounts of edUcation or skills. Our school systems are starting to reflect these income gaps. The amount of immigration hasn't changed that much over time.

No the proportion of poor people is increasing

The proportion of people who won't parent properly and/or care about education is increasing

We need to stop funneling everyone into college tracks. There are plenty of middle class jobs that are still available the don't involve going to a 4 year degree problem.

THIS

Gross.

So these beliefs are exactly the problem. They led to extreme bias in education where low income children and children of color were far less likely to be challenged or accelerated even when their test scores and abilities merited it.

DP:
Sweetheart, the world needs plumbers. That’s not a bad thing. Skilled trades are nothing to be ashamed of. I find your classism to be “gross”.