Anonymous
07/12/2019 15:17
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.
I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.
If the choices are
(1) no oversight even when members of the county police department do questionable things while policing
(2) members of the county police department having hurt feelings and refusing to do their jobs
I'm really not sure which is worse for public safety.
Those aren’t the choices. The choices are Marcus Jones or some other Chief. That’s it.
Anonymous
07/12/2019 15:15
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:
Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.
I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.
If the choices are
(1) no oversight even when members of the county police department do questionable things while policing
(2) members of the county police department having hurt feelings and refusing to do their jobs
I'm really not sure which is worse for public safety.
Anonymous
07/12/2019 15:12
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone think crime will skyrocket nowafter the aspen hill incident? I’ve read things saying police are hesitant to do their jos now according to Kevin Lewis
Yes, the beginnings of depolicing is a real problem. Only person who can fix that is Assistant Chief Jones. Whose been passed over for two finalists who are not competent to run such a large department.
And what exactly is de-policing?
Baltimore City. Where the police just stop doing their jobs. The most fragile of our residents will be the ones who suffer. The exact population the acouncil is trying to protect.
And the police chief can’t fire anyone thanks to collective bargaining. So many bad cops stay.
Sorry but I'm not buying that apocalyptic nonsense.
Police groups and their supporters advance the de-policing argument to keep the public scared. It's a panic button tactic used to frighten folks into thinking that if we don’t keep police officers happy, they’ll stop protecting us — and “keeping police officers happy” means refraining from criticizing cops and removing all outside oversight, even in clear cases of abuse. It’s a cynical, dangerous argument that not only aims to shame critics into silence, but it besmirches the integrity of conscientious police officers. It suggests that good cops would rather let people die than allow the worst and most abusive of their colleagues to even be criticized, much less held accountable.
That's bullshit.
If de-policing means less unconstitutional harassment, then let’s have more de-policing. If it means fewer suspicionless stops, mass arrests or harassment for petty offenses, then de-policing is not the end of the world as you infer. Now if if de-policing means cops don’t respond to calls, or disengage from the community entirely, that of course is a lot more problematic HOWEVER, if the majority of officers out here are decent and honorable and dedicated and don't abuse their power as police groups and their supporters saiday then I doubt such decent, honorable, and dedicated servants of the community would deliberately abandon those they pledged to protect and serve just because (GASP!!) people had the gall to criticize them. Tell em to grow a pair and ask them if they're carrying badges or pansies.
Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.
I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.
Anonymous
07/12/2019 14:35
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DP
I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.
Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?
Will Jawando
Where and when? What, specifically, did he say?
Here's one article about it:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/trooper-stops-black-county-council-member-for-minor-infraction/
Can you please highlight in that article the parts where Will Jawando disparages all police officers in Montgomery County?
Anonymous
07/12/2019 14:34
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DP
I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.
Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?
Will Jawando
DP
I was mostly referring to the posts on NextDoor. There were some crazy anti-Police comments that were over the top.
Anybody will say anything on NextDoor. It's worse than DCUM.
Anonymous
07/12/2019 14:29
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DP
I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.
Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?
Will Jawando
DP
I was mostly referring to the posts on NextDoor. There were some crazy anti-Police comments that were over the top.
Anonymous
07/12/2019 14:06
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DP
I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.
Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?
Will Jawando
Where and when? What, specifically, did he say?
Here's one article about it:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/news/trooper-stops-black-county-council-member-for-minor-infraction/
Anonymous
07/12/2019 14:04
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DP
I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.
Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?
Will Jawando
Where and when? What, specifically, did he say?
Anonymous
07/12/2019 13:58
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone think crime will skyrocket nowafter the aspen hill incident? I’ve read things saying police are hesitant to do their jos now according to Kevin Lewis
Yes, the beginnings of depolicing is a real problem. Only person who can fix that is Assistant Chief Jones. Whose been passed over for two finalists who are not competent to run such a large department.
And what exactly is de-policing?
Baltimore City. Where the police just stop doing their jobs. The most fragile of our residents will be the ones who suffer. The exact population the acouncil is trying to protect.
And the police chief can’t fire anyone thanks to collective bargaining. So many bad cops stay.
Sorry but I'm not buying that apocalyptic nonsense.
Police groups and their supporters advance the de-policing argument to keep the public scared. It's a panic button tactic used to frighten folks into thinking that if we don’t keep police officers happy, they’ll stop protecting us — and “keeping police officers happy” means refraining from criticizing cops and removing all outside oversight, even in clear cases of abuse. It’s a cynical, dangerous argument that not only aims to shame critics into silence, but it besmirches the integrity of conscientious police officers. It suggests that good cops would rather let people die than allow the worst and most abusive of their colleagues to even be criticized, much less held accountable.
That's bullshit.
If de-policing means less unconstitutional harassment, then let’s have more de-policing. If it means fewer suspicionless stops, mass arrests or harassment for petty offenses, then de-policing is not the end of the world as you infer. Now if if de-policing means cops don’t respond to calls, or disengage from the community entirely, that of course is a lot more problematic HOWEVER, if the majority of officers out here are decent and honorable and dedicated and don't abuse their power as police groups and their supporters say then I doubt such decent, honorable, and dedicated servants of the community would deliberately abandon those they pledged to protect and serve just because (GASP!!) people had the gall to criticize them. Tell em to grow a pair and ask them if they're carrying badges or pansies.
Anonymous
07/12/2019 13:53
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DP
I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.
Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?
Will Jawando
Anonymous
07/12/2019 13:50
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:
DP
I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.
Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?
Anonymous
07/12/2019 13:47
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone think crime will skyrocket nowafter the aspen hill incident? I’ve read things saying police are hesitant to do their jos now according to Kevin Lewis
Yes, the beginnings of depolicing is a real problem. Only person who can fix that is Assistant Chief Jones. Whose been passed over for two finalists who are not competent to run such a large department.
And what exactly is de-policing?
Baltimore City. Where the police just stop doing their jobs. The most fragile of our residents will be the ones who suffer. The exact population the acouncil is trying to protect.
And the police chief can’t fire anyone thanks to collective bargaining. So many bad cops stay.
Anonymous
07/12/2019 13:34
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone think crime will skyrocket nowafter the aspen hill incident? I’ve read things saying police are hesitant to do their jos now according to Kevin Lewis
Yes, the beginnings of depolicing is a real problem. Only person who can fix that is Assistant Chief Jones. Whose been passed over for two finalists who are not competent to run such a large department.
And what exactly is de-policing?
Anonymous
07/12/2019 13:29
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People, the Executive Branch is falling apart. Absolutely falling apart. Nobody wants to work for Elrich. And the folks he has are incompetent. I hope the Council has the backbone needed to avert this latest police chief disaster in the making.
And yet lots of people are working for him.
Not really. He’s got a lot of department head vacancies he can’t seem to fill......the liberal version of Trump.
Yes really.
Like who?
Anonymous
07/12/2019 13:28
Subject: Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over
Anonymous wrote:Anyone think crime will skyrocket nowafter the aspen hill incident? I’ve read things saying police are hesitant to do their jos now according to Kevin Lewis
Yes, the beginnings of depolicing is a real problem. Only person who can fix that is Assistant Chief Jones. Whose been passed over for two finalists who are not competent to run such a large department.