Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:55     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Reparations in academia?How can academia offer reparations? Sure, they can do proper research and present it to include things avoided before, but academia makes almost no difference in the public eye. Can't even publish textbooks that are are better suited to today's academic understanding of the history of the U.S. How do you accept "new history" without tearing down the Founding Fathers, please tell me that?
Michigan wants to change history textbooks and not for the better representation either. This is nothing new, nor it is only Texas and Michigan doing it. Let's don't fake all the outrage about slavery, but act like things were better afterwards. Half of the world had slavery at that time, but Jim Crow era that is still present in many ways, let's act like we have nothing to do with it?
Let's see a single history textbook publish a diary of a First Nation person that walked the Trail of Tears? Where is it?
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/michigan-conservatives-vie-to-cut-democracy-from-classroom.html
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:48     Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.

We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.


The Native Americans were violently taking land from each other when we showed up. Those we conquered were merely the last in a long line of conquerors. But we should feel all sad and ashamed because we were better at conquering!
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:47     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
I would feel uneasy there as a guest. Not a place I’d view as festive.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:43     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's certainly not romantic *because* it's on a plantation. A plantation is not an inherently romantic place, unless you are into Scarlett O'Hara cosplay nonsense. The romantic image of the Old South is a lie.

A wedding at a home that used to be a plantation might nonetheless be romantic, but it would not be because of the history of the house as a plantation.


Seriously. I don't understand why people have any romantic notions about places where human beings were owned, whipped, raped, children taken from them, etc.


So, we can't be romantic about anywhere, because that stuff happened everywhere. Too bad, I guess. We have to spend our lives wallowing in guilt and misery because people we don't even know had a hard time over 150 years ago. Why? Because shut up, raciss.

By the way, everyone throw away your Regency and Victorian romances because the British were being mean to people while conquering and ruling their Empire!
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:37     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
I don't know why but the funeral scene in "Get Out" just comes to mind, and perhaps as well in the minds of any black friends you may invite.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:36     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Until this was brought up I would have thought it a nice venue, and upon reflection, any older home or restaurant or country club is guilty until proven innocent so unless it was built after 2010 or so I would nix having an event in one for fear that some racially unacceptable behavior had taken place in it, I mean just think about it , would you want to have your wedding in a country club where, God forbid, an off color joke was told? And it was found out and brought up?
Makes you think?


You're not as clever as you think you are.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:28     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Loonie Americans.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:25     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Until this was brought up I would have thought it a nice venue, and upon reflection, any older home or restaurant or country club is guilty until proven innocent so unless it was built after 2010 or so I would nix having an event in one for fear that some racially unacceptable behavior had taken place in it, I mean just think about it , would you want to have your wedding in a country club where, God forbid, an off color joke was told? And it was found out and brought up?
Makes you think?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:15     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:It's certainly not romantic *because* it's on a plantation. A plantation is not an inherently romantic place, unless you are into Scarlett O'Hara cosplay nonsense. The romantic image of the Old South is a lie.

A wedding at a home that used to be a plantation might nonetheless be romantic, but it would not be because of the history of the house as a plantation.


Seriously. I don't understand why people have any romantic notions about places where human beings were owned, whipped, raped, children taken from them, etc.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 16:04     Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
History is written from the point of view of the victors, correct? When slavery was acceptable, snatching land from native Americans and Hawaiians was ok and majority Whites ruled this land, a Plantation Wedding would have been common.

Now, that this land is sort of a Democracy and Whites cannot cage your kids, shoot your kids, push policies that make them richer...oh, wait. Never mind.

OK - Latinos, Blacks and Other Immigrants can have a plantation wedding. For Whites (except MAGA people) plantation wedding is bad form. But then there is always Maar-E-Laagoo
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 15:59     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
I’m looking for a well priced venue that holds 250 and is approved by my caterer.
Does it have an alternate location for inclement weather?
Is it beautiful?
So it has a big beautiful manor and lush farm land?
That sounds nice.
Rename it Manor. Take plantation out of the name. Problem solved.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 15:55     Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
It's certainly not romantic *because* it's on a plantation. A plantation is not an inherently romantic place, unless you are into Scarlett O'Hara cosplay nonsense. The romantic image of the Old South is a lie.

A wedding at a home that used to be a plantation might nonetheless be romantic, but it would not be because of the history of the house as a plantation.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 15:52     Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.

We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.


Not all was violently taken, in fact.

I would also take issue with the claim that no land was stolen from Native Americans by anyone still alive. Read up on the history of mineral rights claims and Natives declared "incompetent" in Oklahoma in the first half of the 20th century. Or the allotments programs on the Plains also into the 20th century.

Weirdly enough, there could have been a survivor or two of the Wounded Knee massacre still living when my millennial son was born in 1989. As Faulkner said, the past is not even past.

Adding to this, Standing Rock is a recent example of the government overreaching sovereign Native land.



Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 15:42     Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.

We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.


Not all was violently taken, in fact.

I would also take issue with the claim that no land was stolen from Native Americans by anyone still alive. Read up on the history of mineral rights claims and Natives declared "incompetent" in Oklahoma in the first half of the 20th century. Or the allotments programs on the Plains also into the 20th century.

Weirdly enough, there could have been a survivor or two of the Wounded Knee massacre still living when my millennial son was born in 1989. As Faulkner said, the past is not even past.





Anonymous
Post 04/11/2019 15:41     Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
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Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.

We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.


This is the truest statement in this entire thread. If you complain about plantations, you better complain about every inch of soil you step on day to day. Cause guess what, you’re just as guilty.


This


You honestly don't see the difference in someone *choosing* to hold a wedding on a plantation? Seriously? And considering it "romantic"? Come on.



No, I honestly do not. Do you view the Native Americans as lesser than everyone else or something? Because you seem to have no qualms about sticking your head in the sand about the land you live on.


First, don't tell me how I live my life. Of course I don't see American Indians as lesser, and I stand up for them a hell of a lot more than I see many do (people who wear Washington football team gear, I'm looking at you).

Second, I didn't choose to be born in this country. I did choose where to hold my wedding, though, and it sure as hell wasn't going to be on a plantation.


So again, just to be clear, you’re totally cool with living your life on stolen land. You libs are absolutely hysterical the way you talk out of both sides of your mouth. The horrors perpetrated on the Native Americans aren’t the trendy issue du jour for lib America so apparently it just doesn’t matter. “But look at me! I heart the blacks! Equality for everyone!” You have zero credibility. #whatindians #hypocrite


You are pretty disconnected from reality. Issues of decolonization and repatriation have been happening in politics and academia for many years now. Almost every talk I attend includes acknowledgement of Indigenous lands and calls for decolonization. Educate yourself on what people are actually doing about Native rights about before you start sound off like a triggered Fox News personality.


DP. Acknowledgement of Indigenous lands and calls for decolonization? Really?

I've seen some of that but didn't realize it was mainstream. Serious talk of decolonization.


It's "mainstream" in cultural heritage fields. Canada's more ahead of the United States. It's about as serious as it can be during this administration, meaning we mostly talk about it and museums are working closely with Indigenous tribes to better contextualize or repatriate objects, but the administration continues to cause more harm.