Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no such thing as a "definitive" study. This is the social science field; they're currently in the midst of a replication crisis because a large portion of the studies they've done can't be replicated. Do researchers study the effects of this integration on the higher performing students? Most studies I've read don't, and from what I've seen education researchers don't really care. The government tried something like this on a large scale (moving to opportunity) and there were no educational gains. In fact, almost all educational interventions show no lasting gains.

Honestly, if this integration was a magic bullet then the problem would have been solved by now. What are you going to suggest we do once this also fails?

Please actually read the study before you dismiss it: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf

The study is solid as are its conclusions. The segregationists on this board are hellbent on segregation and you can't reason with them.

I wonder why it is not racist when the blacks think mixing black and white students could improve black students’ acadamic performance? Doesnt that indicate black students cannot learn in schools by themselves?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no such thing as a "definitive" study. This is the social science field; they're currently in the midst of a replication crisis because a large portion of the studies they've done can't be replicated. Do researchers study the effects of this integration on the higher performing students? Most studies I've read don't, and from what I've seen education researchers don't really care. The government tried something like this on a large scale (moving to opportunity) and there were no educational gains. In fact, almost all educational interventions show no lasting gains.

Honestly, if this integration was a magic bullet then the problem would have been solved by now. What are you going to suggest we do once this also fails?

Please actually read the study before you dismiss it: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf

Wow, I read it again. It's even worse than I remember. It's clear that they took a look at the the data and chose a break point (20%) that would kind of support their agenda. This wasn't a study, this was a data trolling expedition to find results they liked. Even that wasn't particularly successful. From the paper: "In math, the cumulative positive effect of attending a green zone school by the end of elementary school (nine points, p<0.12) was about the same as that of attending the lowest-poverty elementary schools (eight points, p<0.05). However, in reading, the cumulative effect of attending a green zone school (eight points, p <0.12 level) was larger than attending the lowest-poverty schools (five points, p<0.20 level). "

They're touting results with p-values of .2.

You get a white kid, Blair gets some white kids, Kennedy gets a white kid, Wheaton we have some white kids for you.




Sorry Einstein, we ran out

AP classes in DDs friends cluster are easier than honors in her cluster.

My DD goes to an extremely low poverty HS school. DDs friend goes to another school that has a much higher poverty level. DDs friend used to live in same cluster as us. She says the classes are no where near as difficult in her new cluster.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no such thing as a "definitive" study. This is the social science field; they're currently in the midst of a replication crisis because a large portion of the studies they've done can't be replicated. Do researchers study the effects of this integration on the higher performing students? Most studies I've read don't, and from what I've seen education researchers don't really care. The government tried something like this on a large scale (moving to opportunity) and there were no educational gains. In fact, almost all educational interventions show no lasting gains.

Honestly, if this integration was a magic bullet then the problem would have been solved by now. What are you going to suggest we do once this also fails?

Please actually read the study before you dismiss it: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf

I've read it. It's not a peer reviewed study. It's not published. It's a paper put together by a progressive institution and posted on their website.

Would you believe a study produced by the NRA posted on their own website about how owning guns made families safer?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no such thing as a "definitive" study. This is the social science field; they're currently in the midst of a replication crisis because a large portion of the studies they've done can't be replicated. Do researchers study the effects of this integration on the higher performing students? Most studies I've read don't, and from what I've seen education researchers don't really care. The government tried something like this on a large scale (moving to opportunity) and there were no educational gains. In fact, almost all educational interventions show no lasting gains.

Honestly, if this integration was a magic bullet then the problem would have been solved by now. What are you going to suggest we do once this also fails?

Please actually read the study before you dismiss it: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf

The study clearly finds that there is zero benefit to poorer children once FARMs rate rises above 20%. MCPS is 35% FARMs. So. If the board gets its wish and “levels the playing field” to 35% FARMs rate across every school, there would be no measurable improvement in performance. There would however be a massive disruption in the real estate market and a lot of people will lose a lot of money. For nothing other that getting to say “look at how woke we are.”

Anonymous wrote:

There's no such thing as a "definitive" study. This is the social science field; they're currently in the midst of a replication crisis because a large portion of the studies they've done can't be replicated. Do researchers study the effects of this integration on the higher performing students? Most studies I've read don't, and from what I've seen education researchers don't really care. The government tried something like this on a large scale (moving to opportunity) and there were no educational gains. In fact, almost all educational interventions show no lasting gains.

Honestly, if this integration was a magic bullet then the problem would have been solved by now. What are you going to suggest we do once this also fails?

Please actually read the study before you dismiss it: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf

Anonymous wrote:

the goal of MCPS is to eliminate the achievement gap. You do that by spreading out the higher and lower performers equally to all schools so everyone floats to the mean. The goal is to have average schools everywhere no more good or bad schools

Parents on this boars are being deliberately obtuse. Pushing for socioeconomic diversity in schools leads to better performance outcomes (definitive study cited upthread). Full stop. Show me in the data that it *reduces* outcomes for some.

For the last 50 years, parents have used arguments like the above, or other which are appallingly classist or racist to 1) fight against integration, economic or racial and 2) justify white flight.

There's no such thing as a "definitive" study. This is the social science field; they're currently in the midst of a replication crisis because a large portion of the studies they've done can't be replicated. Do researchers study the effects of this integration on the higher performing students? Most studies I've read don't, and from what I've seen education researchers don't really care. The government tried something like this on a large scale (moving to opportunity) and there were no educational gains. In fact, almost all educational interventions show no lasting gains.

Honestly, if this integration was a magic bullet then the problem would have been solved by now. What are you going to suggest we do once this also fails?

Anonymous wrote:

the goal of MCPS is to eliminate the achievement gap. You do that by spreading out the higher and lower performers equally to all schools so everyone floats to the mean. The goal is to have average schools everywhere no more good or bad schools

Parents on this boars are being deliberately obtuse. Pushing for socioeconomic diversity in schools leads to better performance outcomes (definitive study cited upthread). Full stop. Show me in the data that it *reduces* outcomes for some.

For the last 50 years, parents have used arguments like the above, or other which are appallingly classist or racist to 1) fight against integration, economic or racial and 2) justify white flight.

It's hard to believe anyone could be that dense, but it's deliberate. You are right and the county should figure out how to do this.

the goal of MCPS is to eliminate the achievement gap. You do that by spreading out the higher and lower performers equally to all schools so everyone floats to the mean. The goal is to have average schools everywhere no more good or bad schools

Parents on this boars are being deliberately obtuse. Pushing for socioeconomic diversity in schools leads to better performance outcomes (definitive study cited upthread). Full stop. Show me in the data that it *reduces* outcomes for some.

For the last 50 years, parents have used arguments like the above, or other which are appallingly classist or racist to 1) fight against integration, economic or racial and 2) justify white flight.

Anonymous wrote:What else can sprinkling white kids in cure? Maybe we should send some Bethesda elementary kids to the caravans down south so they won’t be marginalized. A boat full to the Gaza Strip and maybe Israel be so quick to open fire. Send some to the factories in China and maybe Apple workers can get weekends off. They are like the tiger penis of societal medicine

Lololol

Funniest part is a bus load of would actually pay positive Dividends to most of those situations

Anonymous wrote:What else can sprinkling white kids in cure? Maybe we should send some Bethesda elementary kids to the caravans down south so they won’t be marginalized. A boat full to the Gaza Strip and maybe Israel be so quick to open fire. Send some to the factories in China and maybe Apple workers can get weekends off. They are like the tiger penis of societal medicine

White kids are apparently magic. Of course we're running out of them in MCPS. Might need to start substituting in Asian kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
lol - diversity at Cabin John?

MCPS cares about FARMs, ESOL, sped and minority status. In many cases, there is overlap (quite a bit) with the aforementioned categories.

Cabin John MS
ESOL - under 5%
FARMs - 7.2%
SPED - 14%

white - 42.8%
Asian - 31.6%
a sprinkling of Hispanics, blacks and mixed races

Not mentioned above is that Cabin John is 11.6% black. In fact, the demographics of Cabin John look something like America (73.3 white, 12.6 black, 5.2 Asian) except the Asian population is much larger at about equal expense of both white and black. So one could say that Cabin is even more similar to the demographics of the world.

Rather than say that MCPS only cares about American blacks and Hispanics, maybe it is better to say that MCPS wants all its school to have the mean demographics of Montgomery county. As for myself -- perhaps because I grew up in New England -- I have no loyalty to a county. I am a Rockvillian, a Marylander and an American but to me Montgomery county is just a boundary line.

the goal of MCPS is to eliminate the achievement gap. You do that by spreading out the higher and lower performers equally to all schools so everyone floats to the mean. The goal is to have average schools everywhere no more good or bad schools