Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:31
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To 1:43 - I think your correct point is too subtle for DCUM.
They can’t imagine how their kid’s education can be good if others aren’t excluded.
Imagine for a moment that the underlying facts asserted are true and this has nothing to do with race or SES. Some of the kids in a classroom have demonstrated academic strengths and can absorb, retain, process and engage on the subject matters at a very high level (e.g., reading at a college level) at the age of 14 and other students in the same class read at a 5th grade level and cannot (or have no interest in) engage in in depth discussions. How do you think these students can be served well by the same teacher in the same classroom? Does it serve either of them? How are we to improve if ulterior motives are assigned to asking the question?
In reality, what are the numbers at Wilson? Are we talking most kids at or above level and and 5 kids in the room are being given the opportunity to struggle to keep up with them? Or the reverse?
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:30
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you want your students peers to be on the same level or higher, then send your kid to Banneker or Walls.
A comprehensive DCPS high school is different. You have choices.
Banneker and Walls aren't big enough for all the advanced kids.
Banneker had a few seats availabile last year and turned away who didn’t measure up. Also it is being expanded in 2 years into a modernized building.
Why won’t parents seeking more rigor even have their kids apply?
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:26
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:If you want your students peers to be on the same level or higher, then send your kid to Banneker or Walls.
A comprehensive DCPS high school is different. You have choices.
Banneker and Walls aren't big enough for all the advanced kids.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:22
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:If you want your students peers to be on the same level or higher, then send your kid to Banneker or Walls.
A comprehensive DCPS high school is different. You have choices.
I agree that Banneker and Walls are a clear form of tracking. For those who favor Honors For All, please lobby the mayor, council, school administrators, and principals to enroll large groups of students at Banneker and Walls who score 1s and 2s on PARCC. The lack of such students at those application schools denies low performing students access to high performing peers, challenging curricula, and superior teachers, and it denies the high performing students the opportunity to learn from a diverse set of students. Equity demands it!
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:21
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I doubt that anyone posting against honors for all at this point in the thread genuinely believes they are fighting for the education of their own children, but just for the record: People who fight for their child’s right to the best education fight FOR that. They don’t fight “for” it by putting huge amounts of time and energy into stopping the access of other peoples’ children to that same education. The same is true of the anti-OOB posters, whose posts also happen to, entirely coincidentally, target children who are not white and middle-class.
Don’t confuse the issue and make it about race. No one is denying anyone access to anything. What people are saying is that groups of students should be place with peers at their level and challenged to their full potential. I don’t care if the students in my child’s class is black, brown, or white. I don’t care if the students are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich. What I care about is that the peers in his class are continuously challenged to their full potential and that bar continues to rise. That won’t be happening when you have someone in the top of their class with someone at or below grade level. Not everyone can handle an honors level course curriculum and speed. So the course will slow down or be less in depth to accommodate those below. Fact and this is coming from someone who is non-white.
And yes people are fighting for the education of their children. They are fighting for an education that challenges their child to their full potential. It’s very naive to think that the primary motive of those advocating for tracking is based on race or denying accees. That or you don’t fully comprehend differences in speed and depth of learning in children.
Use your energy to fight for your child’s access to a good education. Don’t use it to fight to prevent other peoples’ children from accessing a good education. That does not help your child. It only hurts other children. Thinking that other children being well-educated hurts your child is not logical.
DP: How is PP trying to deny anyone access to good education? I define 'good' as education at the correct level and pace for the learner. How do you define it?
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:17
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Are all these skeptical parents educators? Neuropsychologists? Why do we all feel we know better than educators who have spent years in the field?
Do you appreciate it when people outside your field tell you how to do your job?
Do you appreciate it when people outside your field tell you how to do your job?
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:09
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:To 1:43 - I think your correct point is too subtle for DCUM.
They can’t imagine how their kid’s education can be good if others aren’t excluded.
Imagine for a moment that the underlying facts asserted are true and this has nothing to do with race or SES. Some of the kids in a classroom have demonstrated academic strengths and can absorb, retain, process and engage on the subject matters at a very high level (e.g., reading at a college level) at the age of 14 and other students in the same class read at a 5th grade level and cannot (or have no interest in) engage in in depth discussions. How do you think these students can be served well by the same teacher in the same classroom? Does it serve either of them? How are we to improve if ulterior motives are assigned to asking the question?
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:03
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
If you want your students peers to be on the same level or higher, then send your kid to Banneker or Walls.
A comprehensive DCPS high school is different. You have choices.
A comprehensive DCPS high school is different. You have choices.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:01
Subject: Re:Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:Oh give us a break. Wilson students who lack basic skills obviously don't belong in the same ELA, science and social studies classes as those capable of college-level work. When you water down the quality of the education for advanced learners, you motivate UMC parents to pay to supplement. The poor advanced students are the ones who suffer most from this very well-meaning but deeply misguided PC arrangement. Our neighbors have joined with other Wilson parents of 9th graders to hire pricey tutors, moonlighting MoCo teachers, to work with their advanced students. They also sign their teens up to attend academic summer camps on college campuses, where the students take AP classes.
+1. I would be in favor of extra supports for those not yet at the advanced level, but putting everyone together regardless of academic level then either the top students or bottom students will suffer. DCPS doesn't seem to care about the top students, which is why many UMC families avoid it. Then we have a cycle of the UMC families who choose DCPS supplement or avoid the schools, so the gap is ever present anyway. Then advanced kids whose parents can't afford the supplements lose their opportunity to advance as far as they could.
We need to break this cycle of playing to the lowest common denominator for fear that UMC kids could actually benefit and some people will protest on the basis or SES or race.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 07:55
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I doubt that anyone posting against honors for all at this point in the thread genuinely believes they are fighting for the education of their own children, but just for the record: People who fight for their child’s right to the best education fight FOR that. They don’t fight “for” it by putting huge amounts of time and energy into stopping the access of other peoples’ children to that same education. The same is true of the anti-OOB posters, whose posts also happen to, entirely coincidentally, target children who are not white and middle-class.
Don’t confuse the issue and make it about race. No one is denying anyone access to anything. What people are saying is that groups of students should be place with peers at their level and challenged to their full potential. I don’t care if the students in my child’s class is black, brown, or white. I don’t care if the students are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich. What I care about is that the peers in his class are continuously challenged to their full potential and that bar continues to rise. That won’t be happening when you have someone in the top of their class with someone at or below grade level. Not everyone can handle an honors level course curriculum and speed. So the course will slow down or be less in depth to accommodate those below. Fact and this is coming from someone who is non-white.
And yes people are fighting for the education of their children. They are fighting for an education that challenges their child to their full potential. It’s very naive to think that the primary motive of those advocating for tracking is based on race or denying accees. That or you don’t fully comprehend differences in speed and depth of learning in children.
+1. If everyone is in the same class regardless of ability, then either the class is too advanced for those not yet at that level and some kids can't keep up or the class ends up taught to the lowest common denominator and the advanced kids lose the opportunity to learn. The latter is typically what happens in DC. I see this in our charter with regular classes. No, it's not ok for advanced children to forego their achievement opportunity.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 07:09
Subject: Re:Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Oh give us a break. Wilson students who lack basic skills obviously don't belong in the same ELA, science and social studies classes as those capable of college-level work. When you water down the quality of the education for advanced learners, you motivate UMC parents to pay to supplement. The poor advanced students are the ones who suffer most from this very well-meaning but deeply misguided PC arrangement. Our neighbors have joined with other Wilson parents of 9th graders to hire pricey tutors, moonlighting MoCo teachers, to work with their advanced students. They also sign their teens up to attend academic summer camps on college campuses, where the students take AP classes.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 06:40
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
To 1:43 - I think your correct point is too subtle for DCUM.
They can’t imagine how their kid’s education can be good if others aren’t excluded.
They can’t imagine how their kid’s education can be good if others aren’t excluded.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 01:43
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I doubt that anyone posting against honors for all at this point in the thread genuinely believes they are fighting for the education of their own children, but just for the record: People who fight for their child’s right to the best education fight FOR that. They don’t fight “for” it by putting huge amounts of time and energy into stopping the access of other peoples’ children to that same education. The same is true of the anti-OOB posters, whose posts also happen to, entirely coincidentally, target children who are not white and middle-class.
Don’t confuse the issue and make it about race. No one is denying anyone access to anything. What people are saying is that groups of students should be place with peers at their level and challenged to their full potential. I don’t care if the students in my child’s class is black, brown, or white. I don’t care if the students are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich. What I care about is that the peers in his class are continuously challenged to their full potential and that bar continues to rise. That won’t be happening when you have someone in the top of their class with someone at or below grade level. Not everyone can handle an honors level course curriculum and speed. So the course will slow down or be less in depth to accommodate those below. Fact and this is coming from someone who is non-white.
And yes people are fighting for the education of their children. They are fighting for an education that challenges their child to their full potential. It’s very naive to think that the primary motive of those advocating for tracking is based on race or denying accees. That or you don’t fully comprehend differences in speed and depth of learning in children.
Use your energy to fight for your child’s access to a good education. Don’t use it to fight to prevent other peoples’ children from accessing a good education. That does not help your child. It only hurts other children. Thinking that other children being well-educated hurts your child is not logical.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 01:10
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I doubt that anyone posting against honors for all at this point in the thread genuinely believes they are fighting for the education of their own children, but just for the record: People who fight for their child’s right to the best education fight FOR that. They don’t fight “for” it by putting huge amounts of time and energy into stopping the access of other peoples’ children to that same education. The same is true of the anti-OOB posters, whose posts also happen to, entirely coincidentally, target children who are not white and middle-class.
Don’t confuse the issue and make it about race. No one is denying anyone access to anything. What people are saying is that groups of students should be place with peers at their level and challenged to their full potential. I don’t care if the students in my child’s class is black, brown, or white. I don’t care if the students are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich. What I care about is that the peers in his class are continuously challenged to their full potential and that bar continues to rise. That won’t be happening when you have someone in the top of their class with someone at or below grade level. Not everyone can handle an honors level course curriculum and speed. So the course will slow down or be less in depth to accommodate those below. Fact and this is coming from someone who is non-white.
And yes people are fighting for the education of their children. They are fighting for an education that challenges their child to their full potential. It’s very naive to think that the primary motive of those advocating for tracking is based on race or denying accees. That or you don’t fully comprehend differences in speed and depth of learning in children.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 00:57
Subject: Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?
Anonymous wrote:I doubt that anyone posting against honors for all at this point in the thread genuinely believes they are fighting for the education of their own children, but just for the record: People who fight for their child’s right to the best education fight FOR that. They don’t fight “for” it by putting huge amounts of time and energy into stopping the access of other peoples’ children to that same education. The same is true of the anti-OOB posters, whose posts also happen to, entirely coincidentally, target children who are not white and middle-class.
Don’t confuse the issue and make it about race. No one is denying anyone access to anything. What people are saying is that groups of students should be place with peers at their level and challenged to their full potential. I don’t care if the students in my child’s class is black, brown, or white. I don’t care if the students are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich. What I care about is that the peers in his class are continuously challenged to their full potential and that bar continues to rise. That won’t be happening when you have someone in the top of their class with someone at or below grade level. Not everyone can handle an honors level course curriculum and speed. So the course will slow down or be less in depth to accommodate those below. Fact and this is coming from someone who is non-white.