Anonymous wrote:^So they assume he is more severe than he actually is. Yes, that would be irritating especially if he’s “lost” his diagnosis or was misdiagnosed in the first place.

My son’s chief complaint with his diagnosis is when he doesn’t want to do the work, “I’m not as smart as everyone thinks I am.” Ha. Tou’ve Been tested up the wazoo, you are more than capable. So get to it!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I am saying they are calling everything ASD these days. You do know that many (most) ASD children have an intellectual disability, right. Not all ASD is high functioning.

Umm, no. One in 59 of kids are diagnosed with ASD, but 1 in 6 have some kind of developmental disability,
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

So 90% of kids diagnosed with a developmental disability don't have autism. How is that "everything."

1 in 6 kids total or 1 in 6 with ASD?

1 in 6 of all children have a developmental disability. 1 in 59 of all children have ASD.

Where are they getting these numbers from? Actual parents and doctors or the schools who very loosely use educational diagnosis?

The CDC has a complex methodology that reviews case files. It's explained at one the links at the URL above. And on developmental disabilities generally, you can see more here
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/research.html

I didn't read it that carefully but it looked like these are targeted studies looking for specific data and outcomes and not inclusive of entire populations. It wasn't clear in less I missed it where they got the case files from.

I am not sure why targeted studies bother you, but here's autism data from a general parent survey. It gives a higher prevalence of 1 in 40, but I think that may not be so accurate, since it asks parents if any doctor or health professional ever said your kid has autism. There are cases where autism was suspected, but later ruled out, but parents still could say yes to the question.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833544/

The studies are fine but reality is most studies are looking to confirm their topic/hypothesis and usually do so. I'm on a new medication, as a good example and most of us were told its safe, few side effects and well studied and many of us (via online) are having serious side effects. Studies don't always tell the entire story as for these drugs they didn't check using them with other medical conditions and other things.

Given the ASD diagnosis has broadened and become more inclusive, we are going to have a higher percentage. Reality is kids who have severe issues, it doesn't really matter what you call it as they need services and their families need supports and if calling it ASD gets them the help they need, I fully support it. Where it gets hard is kids who are very minimally impacted or grow out of it, who are the kids most people see as they are not in the special education classes and can participate in regular activities, are also called ASD so its very deceiving to many and confusing to those not having a SN child as many don't understand the "spectrum" and the broad term really isn't useful to anyone. When doctors see an ASD label, which we cannot get removed, they walk in with automatic assumptions about my child then in front of my child have a discussion about getting it removed (which I've tried but only the original doctor can and they are no longer there) and it really freaks out my child (talk to me privately about it). There are a lot of unintended consequences for misdiagnosis and those are the ones most of us are talking about at both ends of the spectrum - the minimally impacted and the severely impacted. Most parents on here have kids in the middle where it is clear its ASD and its a non-issue and the question is how best can they help their child be the most successful person they can be.

How do other people know what your kid's diagnosis is unless you tell them?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I am saying they are calling everything ASD these days. You do know that many (most) ASD children have an intellectual disability, right. Not all ASD is high functioning.

Umm, no. One in 59 of kids are diagnosed with ASD, but 1 in 6 have some kind of developmental disability,
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

So 90% of kids diagnosed with a developmental disability don't have autism. How is that "everything."

1 in 6 kids total or 1 in 6 with ASD?

1 in 6 of all children have a developmental disability. 1 in 59 of all children have ASD.

Where are they getting these numbers from? Actual parents and doctors or the schools who very loosely use educational diagnosis?

The CDC has a complex methodology that reviews case files. It's explained at one the links at the URL above. And on developmental disabilities generally, you can see more here
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/research.html

I didn't read it that carefully but it looked like these are targeted studies looking for specific data and outcomes and not inclusive of entire populations. It wasn't clear in less I missed it where they got the case files from.

I am not sure why targeted studies bother you, but here's autism data from a general parent survey. It gives a higher prevalence of 1 in 40, but I think that may not be so accurate, since it asks parents if any doctor or health professional ever said your kid has autism. There are cases where autism was suspected, but later ruled out, but parents still could say yes to the question.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833544/

The studies are fine but reality is most studies are looking to confirm their topic/hypothesis and usually do so. I'm on a new medication, as a good example and most of us were told its safe, few side effects and well studied and many of us (via online) are having serious side effects. Studies don't always tell the entire story as for these drugs they didn't check using them with other medical conditions and other things.

Given the ASD diagnosis has broadened and become more inclusive, we are going to have a higher percentage. Reality is kids who have severe issues, it doesn't really matter what you call it as they need services and their families need supports and if calling it ASD gets them the help they need, I fully support it. Where it gets hard is kids who are very minimally impacted or grow out of it, who are the kids most people see as they are not in the special education classes and can participate in regular activities, are also called ASD so its very deceiving to many and confusing to those not having a SN child as many don't understand the "spectrum" and the broad term really isn't useful to anyone. When doctors see an ASD label, which we cannot get removed, they walk in with automatic assumptions about my child then in front of my child have a discussion about getting it removed (which I've tried but only the original doctor can and they are no longer there) and it really freaks out my child (talk to me privately about it). There are a lot of unintended consequences for misdiagnosis and those are the ones most of us are talking about at both ends of the spectrum - the minimally impacted and the severely impacted. Most parents on here have kids in the middle where it is clear its ASD and its a non-issue and the question is how best can they help their child be the most successful person they can be.

What assumptions do the doctors’ have? The “only assumption” we’ve seen for DS with ASD/Asperger’s is that he has issues with social pragmatics which he has.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I am saying they are calling everything ASD these days. You do know that many (most) ASD children have an intellectual disability, right. Not all ASD is high functioning.

Umm, no. One in 59 of kids are diagnosed with ASD, but 1 in 6 have some kind of developmental disability,
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

So 90% of kids diagnosed with a developmental disability don't have autism. How is that "everything."

1 in 6 kids total or 1 in 6 with ASD?

1 in 6 of all children have a developmental disability. 1 in 59 of all children have ASD.

Where are they getting these numbers from? Actual parents and doctors or the schools who very loosely use educational diagnosis?

The CDC has a complex methodology that reviews case files. It's explained at one the links at the URL above. And on developmental disabilities generally, you can see more here
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/research.html

I didn't read it that carefully but it looked like these are targeted studies looking for specific data and outcomes and not inclusive of entire populations. It wasn't clear in less I missed it where they got the case files from.

I am not sure why targeted studies bother you, but here's autism data from a general parent survey. It gives a higher prevalence of 1 in 40, but I think that may not be so accurate, since it asks parents if any doctor or health professional ever said your kid has autism. There are cases where autism was suspected, but later ruled out, but parents still could say yes to the question.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833544/

The studies are fine but reality is most studies are looking to confirm their topic/hypothesis and usually do so. I'm on a new medication, as a good example and most of us were told its safe, few side effects and well studied and many of us (via online) are having serious side effects. Studies don't always tell the entire story as for these drugs they didn't check using them with other medical conditions and other things.

Given the ASD diagnosis has broadened and become more inclusive, we are going to have a higher percentage. Reality is kids who have severe issues, it doesn't really matter what you call it as they need services and their families need supports and if calling it ASD gets them the help they need, I fully support it. Where it gets hard is kids who are very minimally impacted or grow out of it, who are the kids most people see as they are not in the special education classes and can participate in regular activities, are also called ASD so its very deceiving to many and confusing to those not having a SN child as many don't understand the "spectrum" and the broad term really isn't useful to anyone. When doctors see an ASD label, which we cannot get removed, they walk in with automatic assumptions about my child then in front of my child have a discussion about getting it removed (which I've tried but only the original doctor can and they are no longer there) and it really freaks out my child (talk to me privately about it). There are a lot of unintended consequences for misdiagnosis and those are the ones most of us are talking about at both ends of the spectrum - the minimally impacted and the severely impacted. Most parents on here have kids in the middle where it is clear its ASD and its a non-issue and the question is how best can they help their child be the most successful person they can be.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I am saying they are calling everything ASD these days. You do know that many (most) ASD children have an intellectual disability, right. Not all ASD is high functioning.

Umm, no. One in 59 of kids are diagnosed with ASD, but 1 in 6 have some kind of developmental disability,
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

So 90% of kids diagnosed with a developmental disability don't have autism. How is that "everything."

1 in 6 kids total or 1 in 6 with ASD?

1 in 6 of all children have a developmental disability. 1 in 59 of all children have ASD.

Where are they getting these numbers from? Actual parents and doctors or the schools who very loosely use educational diagnosis?

The CDC has a complex methodology that reviews case files. It's explained at one the links at the URL above. And on developmental disabilities generally, you can see more here
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/research.html

I didn't read it that carefully but it looked like these are targeted studies looking for specific data and outcomes and not inclusive of entire populations. It wasn't clear in less I missed it where they got the case files from.

I am not sure why targeted studies bother you, but here's autism data from a general parent survey. It gives a higher prevalence of 1 in 40, but I think that may not be so accurate, since it asks parents if any doctor or health professional ever said your kid has autism. There are cases where autism was suspected, but later ruled out, but parents still could say yes to the question.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833544/

The studies are fine but reality is most studies are looking to confirm their topic/hypothesis and usually do so. I'm on a new medication, as a good example and most of us were told its safe, few side effects and well studied and many of us (via online) are having serious side effects. Studies don't always tell the entire story as for these drugs they didn't check using them with other medical conditions and other things.

Given the ASD diagnosis has broadened and become more inclusive, we are going to have a higher percentage. Reality is kids who have severe issues, it doesn't really matter what you call it as they need services and their families need supports and if calling it ASD gets them the help they need, I fully support it. Where it gets hard is kids who are very minimally impacted or grow out of it, who are the kids most people see as they are not in the special education classes and can participate in regular activities, are also called ASD so its very deceiving to many and confusing to those not having a SN child as many don't understand the "spectrum" and the broad term really isn't useful to anyone. When doctors see an ASD label, which we cannot get removed, they walk in with automatic assumptions about my child then in front of my child have a discussion about getting it removed (which I've tried but only the original doctor can and they are no longer there) and it really freaks out my child (talk to me privately about it). There are a lot of unintended consequences for misdiagnosis and those are the ones most of us are talking about at both ends of the spectrum - the minimally impacted and the severely impacted. Most parents on here have kids in the middle where it is clear its ASD and its a non-issue and the question is how best can they help their child be the most successful person they can be.

What assumptions do the doctors’ have? The “only assumption” we’ve seen for DS with ASD/Asperger’s is that he has issues with social pragmatics which he has.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I am saying they are calling everything ASD these days. You do know that many (most) ASD children have an intellectual disability, right. Not all ASD is high functioning.

Umm, no. One in 59 of kids are diagnosed with ASD, but 1 in 6 have some kind of developmental disability,
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

So 90% of kids diagnosed with a developmental disability don't have autism. How is that "everything."

1 in 6 kids total or 1 in 6 with ASD?

1 in 6 of all children have a developmental disability. 1 in 59 of all children have ASD.

Where are they getting these numbers from? Actual parents and doctors or the schools who very loosely use educational diagnosis?

The CDC has a complex methodology that reviews case files. It's explained at one the links at the URL above. And on developmental disabilities generally, you can see more here
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/research.html

I didn't read it that carefully but it looked like these are targeted studies looking for specific data and outcomes and not inclusive of entire populations. It wasn't clear in less I missed it where they got the case files from.

I am not sure why targeted studies bother you, but here's autism data from a general parent survey. It gives a higher prevalence of 1 in 40, but I think that may not be so accurate, since it asks parents if any doctor or health professional ever said your kid has autism. There are cases where autism was suspected, but later ruled out, but parents still could say yes to the question.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833544/

The studies are fine but reality is most studies are looking to confirm their topic/hypothesis and usually do so. I'm on a new medication, as a good example and most of us were told its safe, few side effects and well studied and many of us (via online) are having serious side effects. Studies don't always tell the entire story as for these drugs they didn't check using them with other medical conditions and other things.

Given the ASD diagnosis has broadened and become more inclusive, we are going to have a higher percentage. Reality is kids who have severe issues, it doesn't really matter what you call it as they need services and their families need supports and if calling it ASD gets them the help they need, I fully support it. Where it gets hard is kids who are very minimally impacted or grow out of it, who are the kids most people see as they are not in the special education classes and can participate in regular activities, are also called ASD so its very deceiving to many and confusing to those not having a SN child as many don't understand the "spectrum" and the broad term really isn't useful to anyone. When doctors see an ASD label, which we cannot get removed, they walk in with automatic assumptions about my child then in front of my child have a discussion about getting it removed (which I've tried but only the original doctor can and they are no longer there) and it really freaks out my child (talk to me privately about it). There are a lot of unintended consequences for misdiagnosis and those are the ones most of us are talking about at both ends of the spectrum - the minimally impacted and the severely impacted. Most parents on here have kids in the middle where it is clear its ASD and its a non-issue and the question is how best can they help their child be the most successful person they can be.

Anonymous wrote:1 in 6. Of EVERY child has a disability? I don’t believe it

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 1 in 6 that’s basically everybody

+1

Variation of normal.

You can call it whatever you want, but if your kid is having a problem, even if it's mild, you'll probably want to do something about it.

Not everyone wants to do something about it. Most of us on this board do and spend a lot of time and money but I know several kids who have pretty serious needs and parents have blown them off or just rely on the school system which isn't doing much.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 1 in 6 that’s basically everybody

+1

Variation of normal.

You can call it whatever you want, but if your kid is having a problem, even if it's mild, you'll probably want to do something about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 1 in 6 that’s basically everybody

+1

Variation of normal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I am saying they are calling everything ASD these days. You do know that many (most) ASD children have an intellectual disability, right. Not all ASD is high functioning.

Umm, no. One in 59 of kids are diagnosed with ASD, but 1 in 6 have some kind of developmental disability,
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

So 90% of kids diagnosed with a developmental disability don't have autism. How is that "everything."

1 in 6 kids total or 1 in 6 with ASD?

1 in 6 of all children have a developmental disability. 1 in 59 of all children have ASD.

Where are they getting these numbers from? Actual parents and doctors or the schools who very loosely use educational diagnosis?

The CDC has a complex methodology that reviews case files. It's explained at one the links at the URL above. And on developmental disabilities generally, you can see more here
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/research.html

I didn't read it that carefully but it looked like these are targeted studies looking for specific data and outcomes and not inclusive of entire populations. It wasn't clear in less I missed it where they got the case files from.

I am not sure why targeted studies bother you, but here's autism data from a general parent survey. It gives a higher prevalence of 1 in 40, but I think that may not be so accurate, since it asks parents if any doctor or health professional ever said your kid has autism. There are cases where autism was suspected, but later ruled out, but parents still could say yes to the question.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833544/

The studies are fine but reality is most studies are looking to confirm their topic/hypothesis and usually do so. I'm on a new medication, as a good example and most of us were told its safe, few side effects and well studied and many of us (via online) are having serious side effects. Studies don't always tell the entire story as for these drugs they didn't check using them with other medical conditions and other things.

Given the ASD diagnosis has broadened and become more inclusive, we are going to have a higher percentage. Reality is kids who have severe issues, it doesn't really matter what you call it as they need services and their families need supports and if calling it ASD gets them the help they need, I fully support it. Where it gets hard is kids who are very minimally impacted or grow out of it, who are the kids most people see as they are not in the special education classes and can participate in regular activities, are also called ASD so its very deceiving to many and confusing to those not having a SN child as many don't understand the "spectrum" and the broad term really isn't useful to anyone. When doctors see an ASD label, which we cannot get removed, they walk in with automatic assumptions about my child then in front of my child have a discussion about getting it removed (which I've tried but only the original doctor can and they are no longer there) and it really freaks out my child (talk to me privately about it). There are a lot of unintended consequences for misdiagnosis and those are the ones most of us are talking about at both ends of the spectrum - the minimally impacted and the severely impacted. Most parents on here have kids in the middle where it is clear its ASD and its a non-issue and the question is how best can they help their child be the most successful person they can be.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


I am saying they are calling everything ASD these days. You do know that many (most) ASD children have an intellectual disability, right. Not all ASD is high functioning.

Umm, no. One in 59 of kids are diagnosed with ASD, but 1 in 6 have some kind of developmental disability,
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

So 90% of kids diagnosed with a developmental disability don't have autism. How is that "everything."

1 in 6 kids total or 1 in 6 with ASD?

1 in 6 of all children have a developmental disability. 1 in 59 of all children have ASD.

Where are they getting these numbers from? Actual parents and doctors or the schools who very loosely use educational diagnosis?

The CDC has a complex methodology that reviews case files. It's explained at one the links at the URL above. And on developmental disabilities generally, you can see more here
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/research.html

I didn't read it that carefully but it looked like these are targeted studies looking for specific data and outcomes and not inclusive of entire populations. It wasn't clear in less I missed it where they got the case files from.

I am not sure why targeted studies bother you, but here's autism data from a general parent survey. It gives a higher prevalence of 1 in 40, but I think that may not be so accurate, since it asks parents if any doctor or health professional ever said your kid has autism. There are cases where autism was suspected, but later ruled out, but parents still could say yes to the question.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833544/

Anonymous wrote:So 1 in 6 that’s basically everybody