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Anonymous wrote:So a deferral is a soft denial, then.

A year ago, my DS was deferred in EA, waitlisted in regular admission and then offered a spot on May 3.

Interesting. Did you DS take the spot? I can imagine by May 3 a person might have already moved on an emotionally invested in another school.

Yes, he took the spot. He was very ambivalent about his other options, including the school he initially said yes to.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, y’all ain’t seen nothing yet. After UVA wins the NCAA men’s basketball championship, applicants will soar even more. I’m guessing 60,000 in two years. Maybe the state will add 100 slots by then. Probably not.

Win the NCAA men's BB championship? Wishful thinking.

Didn't UVA lose in the first round last year as the #1 overall seed? First time it ever happened.

They are a good team this year, but a long way to go. And I don't recall winning a national championship making Villanova into Notre Dame or Alabama into Cal.

I recall seeing a thread here about Villanova recently. They seem to be riding high. Alabama is a dumb school.

Villanova has a pretty low admission rate, but SAT and class rank are below UVA (and W&M), and well below Notre Dame. It doesn't hurt to win a championship, though.

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Anonymous wrote:"Dean J." will be posting more UVA EA data today. I would like to find out more about how Virginia kids with 1550+ SAT/36 ACT and top grades at "rigorous" Virginia publics get deferred.

Holy Mother of G-d. 40,000 total (EA and RD) received. 25,098 for EA. 6,550 EA admitted for only 3,750 seats total (where does RD fit in????) and SEVEN THOUSAND DEFERRED ON FRIDAY. http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/01/unofficial-uva23-early-action-statistics.html. Middle 50% ACT composite score for OSS of 33-35. My kid doesn't have a chance.

I thought I read that there was a 43 percent instate offer rate for EA. So...relax a little.

Not sure about that, but a good point in that a very high percentage of applications come from OOS and in-state admit rates are much higher (I think just dipped below 40% for first time in a while last year). There is self-selection in-state, though, so it is a pretty qualified pool, though much smaller than OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:So a deferral is a soft denial, then.

A year ago, my DS was deferred in EA, waitlisted in regular admission and then offered a spot on May 3.

Interesting. Did you DS take the spot? I can imagine by May 3 a person might have already moved on an emotionally invested in another school.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: doesn’t everyone get straight ‘As’ these days?

In my DD's school (in Loudoun County), hardly anyone gets As in AP History courses. There are other scattered courses that are difficult to get As in, but AP history is notoriously difficult. So, even many of the top and brightest kids do not get straight As (if they are taking the most rigorous courses). Not sure how it is at other schools or other counties.

Second that....AP History is tough for our DD (C+) for right now....and she is a sophomore.

General rule of thumb is that AP classes are not an appropriate academic choice if your student cannot get a B or higher

Sadly this seems very true lately. We have had kids with very little AP's but higher GPA's getting into much better schools than those with more B's than A's and a C here or there in AP's. Which really truly sucks. They are basically telling kids to take it easy, don't challenge yourself and get the easy A. This is NOT what happens in college and kids are so sad/depressed/anxious when they realize that they can't get easy A's in college. And the even bigger irony is most jobs do not give one crap what your GPA was when you graduated.

Anonymous wrote:So a deferral is a soft denial, then.

A year ago, my DS was deferred in EA, waitlisted in regular admission and then offered a spot on May 3.

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Anonymous wrote:Accepted!
No-hooks affluent white male
In state, NOVA
1410/33
4.2 weighted gpa
Very rigorous courseload at underperforming public high school (over 50% free/reduced lunch)
One varsity sport and one other leadership extracurricular

What does an ‘underperforming high school’ have to do with anything?

Students are evaluated within the context of his school. So if he's one of relatively few taking rigorous courses and doing well he will have a better chance of admission than a student taking the exact same courseload with the same stats at a school where a larger percentage of the students are equally strong.

For the right kid, there is a far better chances of getting into selective colleges from the high schools considered to be lesser on these boards. It kind of cuts against buying the house in the best school pyramid you can afford when your kids are in kindergarten.

My 36 ACT kid with hi gpa and strong ECs from MD was denied. He attends a private school where half his classmates are VA residents. Understandable outcome.

Probably should have legally established VA residency, no?

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Anonymous wrote:"Dean J." will be posting more UVA EA data today. I would like to find out more about how Virginia kids with 1550+ SAT/36 ACT and top grades at "rigorous" Virginia publics get deferred.

Holy Mother of G-d. 40,000 total (EA and RD) received. 25,098 for EA. 6,550 EA admitted for only 3,750 seats total (where does RD fit in????) and SEVEN THOUSAND DEFERRED ON FRIDAY. http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/01/unofficial-uva23-early-action-statistics.html. Middle 50% ACT composite score for OSS of 33-35. My kid doesn't have a chance.

I thought I read that there was a 43 percent instate offer rate for EA. So...relax a little.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, y’all ain’t seen nothing yet. After UVA wins the NCAA men’s basketball championship, applicants will soar even more. I’m guessing 60,000 in two years. Maybe the state will add 100 slots by then. Probably not.

Win the NCAA men's BB championship? Wishful thinking.

Didn't UVA lose in the first round last year as the #1 overall seed? First time it ever happened.

They are a good team this year, but a long way to go. And I don't recall winning a national championship making Villanova into Notre Dame or Alabama into Cal.

I recall seeing a thread here about Villanova recently. They seem to be riding high. Alabama is a dumb school.

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Anonymous wrote:"Dean J." will be posting more UVA EA data today. I would like to find out more about how Virginia kids with 1550+ SAT/36 ACT and top grades at "rigorous" Virginia publics get deferred.

My guess would be that their stats were more than enough to get them past the gatekeeper, but then they were looking for something in the subjective realm to spark their interest and didn't find it.

Yield protection.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/777283.page#14321074

Not sure what that proves.

Elite colleges don't like to admit kids they don't think will enroll. End period. It's not a secret. And it has nothing to do with USNWR. It has to do with the predictability of the class they are trying to build. That's why top stats kids get admitted at a monumentally higher rate when they apply places ED.

It doesn't prove anything. It's just that a lot of people falsely cry "yield protection!" It's not really all that common.

Not sure why some people falsely claiming a thing means the thing doesn't exist.

Also not sure how you know some people are falsely claiming it.

Difficult to prove it, but the typical college playbook is to drum up as many applications as possible (even if not qualified), and keep admits as low as as possible while maximizing stats (e.g. accept high standardized test kid from a school that doesn't provide class rank. If kid is in school that provides class rank, make sure they are in top 10%).

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, y’all ain’t seen nothing yet. After UVA wins the NCAA men’s basketball championship, applicants will soar even more. I’m guessing 60,000 in two years. Maybe the state will add 100 slots by then. Probably not.

Win the NCAA men's BB championship? Wishful thinking.

Didn't UVA lose in the first round last year as the #1 overall seed? First time it ever happened.

They are a good team this year, but a long way to go. And I don't recall winning a national championship making Villanova into Notre Dame or Alabama into Cal.

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Anonymous wrote:"Dean J." will be posting more UVA EA data today. I would like to find out more about how Virginia kids with 1550+ SAT/36 ACT and top grades at "rigorous" Virginia publics get deferred.

My guess would be that their stats were more than enough to get them past the gatekeeper, but then they were looking for something in the subjective realm to spark their interest and didn't find it.

Or yield protection as noted somewhere else. You reject those likely to reject you. I think UVA does this with TJ.

Anonymous wrote:"Dean J." will be posting more UVA EA data today. I would like to find out more about how Virginia kids with 1550+ SAT/36 ACT and top grades at "rigorous" Virginia publics get deferred.

Holy Mother of G-d. 40,000 total (EA and RD) received. 25,098 for EA. 6,550 EA admitted for only 3,750 seats total (where does RD fit in????) and SEVEN THOUSAND DEFERRED ON FRIDAY. http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/01/unofficial-uva23-early-action-statistics.html. Middle 50% ACT composite score for OSS of 33-35. My kid doesn't have a chance.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: doesn’t everyone get straight ‘As’ these days?

In my DD's school (in Loudoun County), hardly anyone gets As in AP History courses. There are other scattered courses that are difficult to get As in, but AP history is notoriously difficult. So, even many of the top and brightest kids do not get straight As (if they are taking the most rigorous courses). Not sure how it is at other schools or other counties.

Second that....AP History is tough for our DD (C+) for right now....and she is a sophomore.

General rule of thumb is that AP classes are not an appropriate academic choice if your student cannot get a B or higher

Anonymous wrote:So a deferral is a soft denial, then.

Lessons from college application year 2018-19:

1. “Early” is regular. If you do not apply “early,” that is during the specified “Early” season, AND if you fail to check the “early” box, you will be rejected.

2. Essentially all colleges and universities in the above-average range of admissions competitiveness have developed at least some Yield-Management skill. They recruit so as to increase denominator, they then defer or wait-list so as not to increase numerator. In this was they look more competitive. If you are in the right range and you are not accepted, but you are savvy, you will call them up and ask directly that they admit you. And it happens.

These are the two key lessons.