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Anonymous wrote:I'm a pretty typical gen X catholic, meaning I left the church 25 years ago. The church is far more conservative than it was a generation or two ago because the people who stayed are the people who are willing to put up with .. a lot.

But my son is interested in ND and that's fine with me. It provides a classic college experience: solid academics, national reputation, fun sports, happy kids, strong alumni. The Catholic part of it is a bit of a negative - it def leans more conservative than school like BC - but my kid can navigate that for himself.

ND has always been a less hospitable place for women, so if I had a daughter I'd be less comfortable.

Is he OK with having a good portion of his dorm mates attending Mass on Sundays and also during the week? How about the single sex dorms with parietals? His dorm will also have at least one priest as the rector who will be setting rules for your son. He will be required to take Theology for at least one semester (maybe 2?). Your son can find the same things he likes about ND in so many other schools. South Bend isn't great either and it gets very cold there. Honestly he would probably be better off somewhere else. Oh, and if he still really wants to go there, be sure he doesn't bash Catholicism even minutely in his essays....he'll get rejected on the spot.

Sure. Why would other people attending church services be an issue. We live in NY and many of our friends have faith traditions that are not our own and ... it's not like we have to be OK with that. Of course we're OK with that. LOL, what?

But also I went to ND so I have a pretty good idea how the school works. Did you? I think you'll find a minority of kids attend even a single non-mandatory Mass.

+1.

Certainly there are opportunities for those who wish to partake, but thinking there's a cultural issue for those students not partaking would be a mistaken impression.

The PP specifically indicated they thought "the Catholic part is a bit of a negative," so if it's a negative, they very well could have a problem with so much worshiping happening on campus.

There are 32 residence halls on campus and in those dorms there are 106 Masses every single week. That's a lot of praying.

I don't think anyone minds people doing their own thing. But as someone before said, "ND seems to do a fairly good job of subtly wvangelizing kids into the Catholic faith." That shit is a bit of a negative, to say the least.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a pretty typical gen X catholic, meaning I left the church 25 years ago. The church is far more conservative than it was a generation or two ago because the people who stayed are the people who are willing to put up with .. a lot.

But my son is interested in ND and that's fine with me. It provides a classic college experience: solid academics, national reputation, fun sports, happy kids, strong alumni. The Catholic part of it is a bit of a negative - it def leans more conservative than school like BC - but my kid can navigate that for himself.

ND has always been a less hospitable place for women, so if I had a daughter I'd be less comfortable.

If you are not Catholic and hate Catholicism, why would you send your kids to Notre Dame? Why not Georgetown instead which seems more aligned with your anti Catholic sentiments. Or a secular university.

ND seems to do a fairly good job of subtly wvangelizing kids into the Catholic faith. Perhaps you want you son to come home to Catholicism?

this is not a good look for you or your views. nobody ever said anything about hating Catholicism. why is it so hard to have a discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a pretty typical gen X catholic, meaning I left the church 25 years ago. The church is far more conservative than it was a generation or two ago because the people who stayed are the people who are willing to put up with .. a lot.

But my son is interested in ND and that's fine with me. It provides a classic college experience: solid academics, national reputation, fun sports, happy kids, strong alumni. The Catholic part of it is a bit of a negative - it def leans more conservative than school like BC - but my kid can navigate that for himself.

ND has always been a less hospitable place for women, so if I had a daughter I'd be less comfortable.

Is he OK with having a good portion of his dorm mates attending Mass on Sundays and also during the week? How about the single sex dorms with parietals? His dorm will also have at least one priest as the rector who will be setting rules for your son. He will be required to take Theology for at least one semester (maybe 2?). Your son can find the same things he likes about ND in so many other schools. South Bend isn't great either and it gets very cold there. Honestly he would probably be better off somewhere else. Oh, and if he still really wants to go there, be sure he doesn't bash Catholicism even minutely in his essays....he'll get rejected on the spot.

Sure. Why would other people attending church services be an issue. We live in NY and many of our friends have faith traditions that are not our own and ... it's not like we have to be OK with that. Of course we're OK with that. LOL, what?

But also I went to ND so I have a pretty good idea how the school works. Did you? I think you'll find a minority of kids attend even a single non-mandatory Mass.

+1.

Certainly there are opportunities for those who wish to partake, but thinking there's a cultural issue for those students not partaking would be a mistaken impression.

The PP specifically indicated they thought "the Catholic part is a bit of a negative," so if it's a negative, they very well could have a problem with so much worshiping happening on campus.

There are 32 residence halls on campus and in those dorms there are 106 Masses every single week. That's a lot of praying.

Anonymous wrote:it was fully renovated in 2019-2020 and holds 253 students.

https://residentiallife.nd.edu/undergraduate/halls/dillon-hall/

it actually has fewer rooms now, a few more bathrooms. so fewer kids.

I dont know chapel capacity, but 40 sounds right to me. tops.

so .. nope to you.

Anonymous wrote:I get that you have a son who goes to Mass - and that’s your prism - but most kids never go to a single mass. Which is just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a pretty typical gen X catholic, meaning I left the church 25 years ago. The church is far more conservative than it was a generation or two ago because the people who stayed are the people who are willing to put up with .. a lot.

But my son is interested in ND and that's fine with me. It provides a classic college experience: solid academics, national reputation, fun sports, happy kids, strong alumni. The Catholic part of it is a bit of a negative - it def leans more conservative than school like BC - but my kid can navigate that for himself.

ND has always been a less hospitable place for women, so if I had a daughter I'd be less comfortable.

Is he OK with having a good portion of his dorm mates attending Mass on Sundays and also during the week? How about the single sex dorms with parietals? His dorm will also have at least one priest as the rector who will be setting rules for your son. He will be required to take Theology for at least one semester (maybe 2?). Your son can find the same things he likes about ND in so many other schools. South Bend isn't great either and it gets very cold there. Honestly he would probably be better off somewhere else. Oh, and if he still really wants to go there, be sure he doesn't bash Catholicism even minutely in his essays....he'll get rejected on the spot.

Sure. Why would other people attending church services be an issue. We live in NY and many of our friends have faith traditions that are not our own and ... it's not like we have to be OK with that. Of course we're OK with that. LOL, what?

But also I went to ND so I have a pretty good idea how the school works. Did you? I think you'll find a minority of kids attend even a single non-mandatory Mass.

+1.

Certainly there are opportunities for those who wish to partake, but thinking there's a cultural issue for those students not partaking would be a mistaken impression.

The PP specifically indicated they thought "the Catholic part is a bit of a negative," so if it's a negative, they very well could have a problem with so much worshiping happening on campus.

There are 32 residence halls on campus and in those dorms there are 106 Masses every single week. That's a lot of praying.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a pretty typical gen X catholic, meaning I left the church 25 years ago. The church is far more conservative than it was a generation or two ago because the people who stayed are the people who are willing to put up with .. a lot.

But my son is interested in ND and that's fine with me. It provides a classic college experience: solid academics, national reputation, fun sports, happy kids, strong alumni. The Catholic part of it is a bit of a negative - it def leans more conservative than school like BC - but my kid can navigate that for himself.

ND has always been a less hospitable place for women, so if I had a daughter I'd be less comfortable.

Is he OK with having a good portion of his dorm mates attending Mass on Sundays and also during the week? How about the single sex dorms with parietals? His dorm will also have at least one priest as the rector who will be setting rules for your son. He will be required to take Theology for at least one semester (maybe 2?). Your son can find the same things he likes about ND in so many other schools. South Bend isn't great either and it gets very cold there. Honestly he would probably be better off somewhere else. Oh, and if he still really wants to go there, be sure he doesn't bash Catholicism even minutely in his essays....he'll get rejected on the spot.

Sure. Why would other people attending church services be an issue. We live in NY and many of our friends have faith traditions that are not our own and ... it's not like we have to be OK with that. Of course we're OK with that. LOL, what?

But also I went to ND so I have a pretty good idea how the school works. Did you? I think you'll find a minority of kids attend even a single non-mandatory Mass.

+1.

Certainly there are opportunities for those who wish to partake, but thinking there's a cultural issue for those students not partaking would be a mistaken impression.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dane has poor diversity figures. Look it up.

Botre Dame is a Catholic school created to educate Catholic young adults from back in the day when Catholics were openly discriminated against and not wanted at all the waspy schools.

It's heritage and its mission are essentially Catholic.

Catholics in the US are historically working and middle class, white, western European. Back in the time when ND was formed, this meant Irish, Italians, Polish, Spanish, French and Portuguese, among others. In modern times Catholic in the US is significantly Hispanic.

Notre Dame specifically is traditionally Irish Catholic. You don't get much whiter than an Irish Catholic.

Of course a Catholic university still holding on to its Catholic identity, is going to be disproportionately Catholic and all that usually represents.

Anyone who complains about this is just being contrary and foolish.

All that talk and no figures. ND has 4% black students. Less than 1% Native American. Not 3% international and so on.

Very few African Americans and Native Americans are Catholic.

4% of Catholics are black. That's a lot ofo people. Why isn't ND out there marketing to them and other blacks who would be thrilled to go to ND even if not Catholic? Black Catholicism or African-American Catholicism comprises the African American people, beliefs, and practices in the Catholic Church.

from wiki: There are currently around three million Black Catholics in the United States, making up 6% of the total population of African Americans, who are mostly Protestant, and 4% of American Catholics.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dane has poor diversity figures. Look it up.

Botre Dame is a Catholic school created to educate Catholic young adults from back in the day when Catholics were openly discriminated against and not wanted at all the waspy schools.

It's heritage and its mission are essentially Catholic.

Catholics in the US are historically working and middle class, white, western European. Back in the time when ND was formed, this meant Irish, Italians, Polish, Spanish, French and Portuguese, among others. In modern times Catholic in the US is significantly Hispanic.

Notre Dame specifically is traditionally Irish Catholic. You don't get much whiter than an Irish Catholic.

Of course a Catholic university still holding on to its Catholic identity, is going to be disproportionately Catholic and all that usually represents.

Anyone who complains about this is just being contrary and foolish.

All that talk and no figures. ND has 4% black students. Less than 1% Native American. Not 3% international and so on.

Very few African Americans and Native Americans are Catholic.

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Some require mandatory weekly mass.

Maybe at a seminary. I went to Catholic U (so pretty Catholic on the scale) 30 years ago and no mass was required then. I doubt it’s been added.

Catholic U is by far the most Catholic, since it is run by the Vatican. If they don't require Mass, no one does.

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Anonymous wrote:you can get the milkshake without the mass. fyi.


Sunday night masses happen at (all? a lot?) of jesuits schools. BC, Georgetown, Marquette, Santa Clara. It's not really unique to ND.

True. But do they have chapels in all the dorms with well attended masses several times a week? I don’t think so. ND is unique in that way.

BC has masses in some dorms.

Just FYI, the chapel in Dillon is bigger than most and holds about 40 kids. 300 kids live in that hall. You can do that math.

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Anonymous wrote:you can get the milkshake without the mass. fyi.


Sunday night masses happen at (all? a lot?) of jesuits schools. BC, Georgetown, Marquette, Santa Clara. It's not really unique to ND.

True. But do they have chapels in all the dorms with well attended masses several times a week? I don’t think so. ND is unique in that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a pretty typical gen X catholic, meaning I left the church 25 years ago. The church is far more conservative than it was a generation or two ago because the people who stayed are the people who are willing to put up with .. a lot.

But my son is interested in ND and that's fine with me. It provides a classic college experience: solid academics, national reputation, fun sports, happy kids, strong alumni. The Catholic part of it is a bit of a negative - it def leans more conservative than school like BC - but my kid can navigate that for himself.

ND has always been a less hospitable place for women, so if I had a daughter I'd be less comfortable.

Is he OK with having a good portion of his dorm mates attending Mass on Sundays and also during the week? How about the single sex dorms with parietals? His dorm will also have at least one priest as the rector who will be setting rules for your son. He will be required to take Theology for at least one semester (maybe 2?). Your son can find the same things he likes about ND in so many other schools. South Bend isn't great either and it gets very cold there. Honestly he would probably be better off somewhere else. Oh, and if he still really wants to go there, be sure he doesn't bash Catholicism even minutely in his essays....he'll get rejected on the spot.

Sure. Why would other people attending church services be an issue. We live in NY and many of our friends have faith traditions that are not our own and ... it's not like we have to be OK with that. Of course we're OK with that. LOL, what?

But also I went to ND so I have a pretty good idea how the school works. Did you? I think you'll find a minority of kids attend even a single non-mandatory Mass.