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Anonymous wrote:honestly, I was just as confused so I did a search on these forums and looked at a map and voila!

Lies. You found a river on the DC public schools forum, which makes some sense (although most folks talk about east of the park).

In this case, we're talking about whether middle class to upper middle class kids have equivalent educational outcomes regardless of whether they attend a "W School" or a DCC school. The answer is yes, which is demonstrated through test scores shared above.

I would never find anything on the DC public schools forum because I don't live there and have zero interest in what goes on in their schools so I never check it.

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Anonymous wrote:^ good point

It is a good point but it doesn't explain it all. I'm sure there are many people EOR who are even superior in academic acheivements than those WOR but simply are not in a high paying field. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of lower achieving families also. Likewise, I would just guess that many POC EOR have a high level of education and simply choose to live in more diverse neighborhoods. I wonder if there are just far more tilt to lower SES EOR for certain groups.

EOR?

Sorry EOTR, east of the river

This is the Maryland Public Schools forum. Which river are you referring to?

You must not frequent this board often... do a search...

I am a new poster. EOTR generally is used in DC in reference to the SE quadrant, east of the Anacostia. It isn't clear how EOTR applies to a disucssion of Bethesda and Kensington, MD.

Anonymous wrote:honestly, I was just as confused so I did a search on these forums and looked at a map and voila!

Lies. You found a river on the DC public schools forum, which makes some sense (although most folks talk about east of the park).

In this case, we're talking about whether middle class to upper middle class kids have equivalent educational outcomes regardless of whether they attend a "W School" or a DCC school. The answer is yes, which is demonstrated through test scores shared above.

honestly, I was just as confused so I did a search on these forums and looked at a map and voila!

I spend half my time on this board figuring out abbreviations... just type it out!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ good point

It is a good point but it doesn't explain it all. I'm sure there are many people EOR who are even superior in academic acheivements than those WOR but simply are not in a high paying field. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of lower achieving families also. Likewise, I would just guess that many POC EOR have a high level of education and simply choose to live in more diverse neighborhoods. I wonder if there are just far more tilt to lower SES EOR for certain groups.

EOR?

Sorry EOTR, east of the river

This is the Maryland Public Schools forum. Which river are you referring to?

You must not frequent this board often... do a search...

Is there a river between Bethesda and Kensington?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ good point

It is a good point but it doesn't explain it all. I'm sure there are many people EOR who are even superior in academic acheivements than those WOR but simply are not in a high paying field. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of lower achieving families also. Likewise, I would just guess that many POC EOR have a high level of education and simply choose to live in more diverse neighborhoods. I wonder if there are just far more tilt to lower SES EOR for certain groups.

EOR?

Sorry EOTR, east of the river

This is the Maryland Public Schools forum. Which river are you referring to?

You must not frequent this board often... do a search...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ good point

It is a good point but it doesn't explain it all. I'm sure there are many people EOR who are even superior in academic acheivements than those WOR but simply are not in a high paying field. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of lower achieving families also. Likewise, I would just guess that many POC EOR have a high level of education and simply choose to live in more diverse neighborhoods. I wonder if there are just far more tilt to lower SES EOR for certain groups.

EOR?

Sorry EOTR, east of the river

This is the Maryland Public Schools forum. Which river are you referring to?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ good point

It is a good point but it doesn't explain it all. I'm sure there are many people EOR who are even superior in academic acheivements than those WOR but simply are not in a high paying field. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of lower achieving families also. Likewise, I would just guess that many POC EOR have a high level of education and simply choose to live in more diverse neighborhoods. I wonder if there are just far more tilt to lower SES EOR for certain groups.

EOR?

Sorry EOTR, east of the river

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ good point

It is a good point but it doesn't explain it all. I'm sure there are many people EOR who are even superior in academic acheivements than those WOR but simply are not in a high paying field. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of lower achieving families also. Likewise, I would just guess that many POC EOR have a high level of education and simply choose to live in more diverse neighborhoods. I wonder if there are just far more tilt to lower SES EOR for certain groups.

EOR?

Anonymous wrote:^ good point

It is a good point but it doesn't explain it all. I'm sure there are many people EOR who are even superior in academic acheivements than those WOR but simply are not in a high paying field. However, I would imagine that there are plenty of lower achieving families also. Likewise, I would just guess that many POC EOR have a high level of education and simply choose to live in more diverse neighborhoods. I wonder if there are just far more tilt to lower SES EOR for certain groups.

^ +2

^ good point

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All I know is the average SAT score for my kid's cohort at Blair even not including magnet students is still better than any W.

Funny, Blair's scores are so low compared to the rest of the county, there must only be a precious few of your cohort there and not enough to move the needle. Shame most of them go home west after school hours compounding your kid's unicorn status

That is funny because the county's data shows otherwise.

Blair 1326
BCC 1291
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257

here the source on page 16 of the pdf or listed as 8 on the document
https://bit.ly/2x3tS5X

I remember reading this a while ago. Their intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools. For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools where the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

If that's true than the socioeconomic difference between W's and SS ( which there almost certainly has to be a difference) has no impact on scores for some groups.

That makes some sense, as the research shows the biggest indicator of test scores is parental education and to a lesser extent SES. Here on DCUM, we're used to parsing the difference between being in the top 5% of Americans for income (HHI of $200K) and the top 1% (HHI of $500K +), but those gradations don't make much difference on student outcomes, in part because people in the top 5% and people in the top 1% tend to have pretty similar education levels.

So, a two-federal worker family in Silver Spring has a HHI of around $250K. A two private sector family in Potomac has a HHI of $750K. But there is unlikely to be a substantial difference in parental education levels between those two families. Both families probably have parents with advanced degrees, where higher education is encouraged and expected, etc. Both families can afford to support extracurricular activities to allow their kids to pursue their passions. One family has nicer cars, a "better' neighborhood, probably more interesting vacations, but the fundamentals are pretty similar and outcomes are also similar.

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Anonymous wrote:

All I know is the average SAT score for my kid's cohort at Blair even not including magnet students is still better than any W.

Funny, Blair's scores are so low compared to the rest of the county, there must only be a precious few of your cohort there and not enough to move the needle. Shame most of them go home west after school hours compounding your kid's unicorn status

That is funny because the county's data shows otherwise.

Blair 1326
BCC 1291
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257

here the source on page 16 of the pdf or listed as 8 on the document
https://bit.ly/2x3tS5X

I remember reading this a while ago. Their intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.

When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools. For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools where the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

hard to argue with facts. Thx for clearing this up