What does it mean to do well socially? How does one measure who is doing the best socially at an Ivy? There are many Ivys that lots of people would say have a miserable social environment. And, what is success in a career? $$ earned, job satisfaction, something else? It is easy to measure a GPA and a standardized test score, but those other things--I do not think an Ivy has any claim to superiority over the rest of the college landscape in social or career success.

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Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.

Priceless?

D3 schools are some of the best academic institutions in the country. It is insanely hard to gain admission without a hook. For a white upper-middle class kid from a place like DC or Baltimore lacrosse is that hook. Gaining admission to a school you would otherwise not get into, paving the way for a bright future? That’s hard to quantify. So maybe priceless?

Or maybe useless. And there have been attempts to quantify it.

A Princeton professor did a study a number of years ago that showed that Princeton athletes had post-graduation careers that very closely mapped to the careers of athletes with the same academic qualifications (SAT scores, Class Rank and GPA) who attended large State universities.

Attendance at an Ivy League school did not have the affect people thought it had.

Complete and total fake news. All of the studies and articles attempting to defend that nonsense say the same thing as public school lax parents say when they talk about the handful of players getting recruited.

While there is success among non ivy athletes post academically, it does not compare by percentage to ivy or ivy equivalent schools.

But what those studies do show is the deeper the ivy schools recruit away from academic standards the more likely the student will not do well academically, socially or in their career. The ivy level school will not lift a poor student athlete.

What does it mean to do well socially? How does one measure who is doing the best socially at an Ivy? There are many Ivys that lots of people would say have a miserable social environment. And, what is success in a career? $$ earned, job satisfaction, something else? It is easy to measure a GPA and a standardized test score, but those other things--I do not think an Ivy has any claim to superiority over the rest of the college landscape in social or career success.

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Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.

Priceless?

D3 schools are some of the best academic institutions in the country. It is insanely hard to gain admission without a hook. For a white upper-middle class kid from a place like DC or Baltimore lacrosse is that hook. Gaining admission to a school you would otherwise not get into, paving the way for a bright future? That’s hard to quantify. So maybe priceless?

Or maybe useless. And there have been attempts to quantify it.

A Princeton professor did a study a number of years ago that showed that Princeton athletes had post-graduation careers that very closely mapped to the careers of athletes with the same academic qualifications (SAT scores, Class Rank and GPA) who attended large State universities.

Attendance at an Ivy League school did not have the affect people thought it had.

Complete and total fake news. All of the studies and articles attempting to defend that nonsense say the same thing as public school lax parents say when they talk about the handful of players getting recruited.

While there is success among non ivy athletes post academically, it does not compare by percentage to ivy or ivy equivalent schools.

But what those studies do show is the deeper the ivy schools recruit away from academic standards the more likely the student will not do well academically, socially or in their career. The ivy level school will not lift a poor student athlete.

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Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.

Priceless?

If you are that a Singer dude, you’d have a price. A NESCAC is probably about 2 mill for a Chinese National, 500K for a B list Hollywood starlet.

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Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.

Priceless?

D3 schools are some of the best academic institutions in the country. It is insanely hard to gain admission without a hook. For a white upper-middle class kid from a place like DC or Baltimore lacrosse is that hook. Gaining admission to a school you would otherwise not get into, paving the way for a bright future? That’s hard to quantify. So maybe priceless?

Or maybe useless. And there have been attempts to quantify it.

A Princeton professor did a study a number of years ago that showed that Princeton athletes had post-graduation careers that very closely mapped to the careers of athletes with the same academic qualifications (SAT scores, Class Rank and GPA) who attended large State universities.

Attendance at an Ivy League school did not have the affect people thought it had.

Anonymous wrote:The shake-up in boys clubs factors heavily in my ranking. 5 years ago 'club' would have been first but now it is last. Here are how I've ranked it:

High school team (tournaments & regular season play) *
Specific college prospect days
Individual showcases
Club team

*As long as the coach as a range of contacts and connections it won't matter if the high school team is private or public for most lax players. In the DMV though the high level of play is mostly at the private schools. In Long Island or other places, the most high level of play is at public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.

Priceless?

D3 schools are some of the best academic institutions in the country. It is insanely hard to gain admission without a hook. For a white upper-middle class kid from a place like DC or Baltimore lacrosse is that hook. Gaining admission to a school you would otherwise not get into, paving the way for a bright future? That’s hard to quantify. So maybe priceless?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.

Priceless?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.

Priceless?

Anonymous wrote:17:42, let's answer this once and for all - being recruited by a D3 coach, and getting a green light after a pre-read is priceless - admission to some of the finest academic institutions in the nation.