Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 21:21     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
We don't homeschool but I know several people who have. For the people I know, I am very impressed with their approach and their outcomes with their kids. An old friend who flunked out of three colleges and never graduated did a fantastic job homeschooling her kids. She was very smart but had a hard time with formal schooling. Her kids got scholarships for a prestigious private high school so they were well prepared (she knew she wasn't qualified to teach through high school).

I agree there are parents out there who do a crap job and probably homeschool for very bad reasons but there are a lot of parents out there doing a great job.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 21:05     Subject: Re:Why do uneducated people homeschool?
They are happily employed people, what else do you want? I am unhappily employed with a graduate degre as I had to get that degree because I don't know what I like to do and I chose money instead. My path is disgusting. I am glad that we don't shoe in everyone in one box. I see importance of school in the social aspect of life and preparing for dealing with "unfairness" in life. Academics - it's a memory exercise, schools don't teach analysis or logic much.


This is so dumb. For one, are you aware that for every Jennifer Lawrence (who slept her way to the top, BTW. She made jokes about giving Harvey Weinstein BJs), there are thousands of people who are working deadend jobs in LA trying to make it in the film industry, and are probably not fit to do much of anything else if they quit school at 14 like her? If every, most, or hell, even half of all homeschooled kids had the opportunity to make millions like her, or even 6 figures, no one would be complaining. It's mind boggling this even needs to be spelled out for you.


You are focusing on Jennifer Lawrence, who I know nothing about. Do you actually know those people? Not fit to do anything else? They don't want to do anything else, why is that so hard to understand. It's not about 6 figure jobs or leading roles. Do you think everyone who works in a corporation dreams about becoming a CEO? Do you think every small business owner wants to create Walmart?
Besides, you are comparing quitting a regular school to homeschooling which is not the same.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 20:46     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.



You don't know that they aren't. Regulations vary by state.


I know the laws that in VA are very lax. That is where my relative homeschooled her kids who are now grown and don’t have jobs or independence.


Op here. I researched briefly and it seems North Dakota is the only state in the US that requires a bachelor's degree.

North Dakota: 15.1-23-03. Home education - Parental qualifications.
A parent may supervise home education if the parent:
1. Holds a high school diploma or a general educational development diploma; or
2. Meets the requirements of section 15.1-23-06.

15.1-23-06. Home education - Required monitoring of progress.
A parent who does not meet the qualifications provided in section 15.1-23-03 may supervise home education but must be monitored in accordance with section 15.1-23-07 for the first two years. If a child receiving home education obtains a basic composite standardized achievement test score below the fiftieth percentile nationally, the parent must be monitored for at least one additional school year and until the child receives a test score at or above the fiftieth percentile.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 20:18     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.



You don't know that they aren't. Regulations vary by state.


I know the laws that in VA are very lax. That is where my relative homeschooled her kids who are now grown and don’t have jobs or independence.


Op here. I researched briefly and it seems North Dakota is the only state in the US that requires a bachelor's degree.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 20:13     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
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Anonymous wrote:Homeschooler here. I know my own limitations, and would not attempt to teach high school level physics or chemistry to my own children... I'll send them to the local community college for those types of courses if I can not find an appropriate teacher/tutor among the homeschoolers that I know. When someone insinuates, however, that I'm not qualified to teach my six year old and nine year old children (after going through 12 years of public school and several semesters of college), then they are basically saying that the public school system taught me squat. Which, if that were true, would be one reason for not wanting one's own children in said system, right?


What? Saying you are not qualified to teach is not the same as saying the public school system taught you squat. My neighbor is very smart and well educated. She's a good attorney. But when I needed a root canal I didn't call her. Saying you are not qualified to do a certain job doesn't mean you are stupid or public school failed you. It means you are not qualified for every job.

Your logic is deeply flawed.


What's flawed is your own logic and argument tactics. We're not asking an attorney to do a root canal. We're asking an educated mother to teach her six-year-old math. Of course she can do that. Most people can do that who have a basic education.


Reading is fundamental. Read what you responded to. She is not talking about a 6 year old, she is talking about chem and physics so she plans to continue through high school, genius. If you want to argue, please stay on topic.

Look people can do what they want with their kids. Smoke around them, feed them crap. It's America. I don't agree with it, but I recognize their right. All I'm asking for are some basic standards to protect the children. They deserve an education and when a mom without a college education claims she can do it through high school she is deluding herself and her kids.

SoCal here. I know a number of homeschooled child actors. Education is enough to get a GED around the age of 14-15. Some had to do some sections multiple times. Once older, some take classes in CC, some go to regular university, some never take non-acting related classes. They are definitely not a burden on society without high school chemistry or English. Not everyone is preparing for a job in a big corporation. When a D is a grade that's enough to graduate or play sports, not much value is in being in the system for those striving for D average.


Are you serious? We should not be using Jennifer Lawrence dropping out in middle school as the paradigm for why you don't need high school science or English. Disgusting.

They are happily employed people, what else do you want? I am unhappily employed with a graduate degre as I had to get that degree because I don't know what I like to do and I chose money instead. My path is disgusting. I am glad that we don't shoe in everyone in one box. I see importance of school in the social aspect of life and preparing for dealing with "unfairness" in life. Academics - it's a memory exercise, schools don't teach analysis or logic much.


This is so dumb. For one, are you aware that for every Jennifer Lawrence (who slept her way to the top, BTW. She made jokes about giving Harvey Weinstein BJs), there are thousands of people who are working deadend jobs in LA trying to make it in the film industry, and are probably not fit to do much of anything else if they quit school at 14 like her? If every, most, or hell, even half of all homeschooled kids had the opportunity to make millions like her, or even 6 figures, no one would be complaining. It's mind boggling this even needs to be spelled out for you.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 20:11     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.



You don't know that they aren't. Regulations vary by state.


I know the laws that in VA are very lax. That is where my relative homeschooled her kids who are now grown and don’t have jobs or independence.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 20:08     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
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Anonymous wrote:Homeschooler here. I know my own limitations, and would not attempt to teach high school level physics or chemistry to my own children... I'll send them to the local community college for those types of courses if I can not find an appropriate teacher/tutor among the homeschoolers that I know. When someone insinuates, however, that I'm not qualified to teach my six year old and nine year old children (after going through 12 years of public school and several semesters of college), then they are basically saying that the public school system taught me squat. Which, if that were true, would be one reason for not wanting one's own children in said system, right?


What? Saying you are not qualified to teach is not the same as saying the public school system taught you squat. My neighbor is very smart and well educated. She's a good attorney. But when I needed a root canal I didn't call her. Saying you are not qualified to do a certain job doesn't mean you are stupid or public school failed you. It means you are not qualified for every job.

Your logic is deeply flawed.



As is yours. Dp here. Teaching a child to read, write and learn and memorize basic math facts is not dental surgery level stuff. My children could do all three before they started kindergarten and, no, they weren't red shirted.


And you totally missed the point. People should have some training to homeschool and there should be standards. It is criminal what some of these people do to their kids.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 20:07     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
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Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.


Why?


Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.

Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!


+1

Only in the US is something like this legal.


Typical. I don't agree with it, we must make it illegal.



And which of your constitutional rights will you give up in return?


It's not a zero-sum game.




You've missed the point.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 17:09     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
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Anonymous wrote:Because they are stupid OP. It's really this simple.



+1

This. The US is full of backward idiots. Just look at the last presidential election. Idiots reproduce and make more idiots. They are anti-education.


How dare you talk that way about black people!
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 16:53     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
My good friend from high school is home schooling her kids. She's not doing it for religious reasons, but her local public school system is not very good and she also feels that her own public school education was uninspiring and let her down. She never went to college so I guess according to this thread she would be considered uneducated, although her spouse has a college degree.

She is focusing on the un-schooling movement. She lets her kids focus and do more research on their own unique interests. Her school days are very organized and structured. She does some instruction, but sets aside time for her kids to rotate between different learning stations around their house to which she is there to provide support and stimulate ideas. She incorporates music and music lessons into each week. They also take advantage of local rec classes, community college classes and a local and state home schooling community. Her kids also don't play on electronics and have very limited tv time.

Her kids are now teens and are amazing kids. They are friendly, smart, engaging, and interested in the world around them. I do sometimes feel that they are a little naive about the world around them and I do have my own concerns about whether they will be going to college or not.

On the opposite spectrum, I know a family who also home schooled their kids, but for religious purposes. They were in the same fundamental cult that the Dugger family is in. The parents are educated with with college degrees. Their kids are now in their late 20s and early 30s and are extremely resentful over the way they were raised. It took them a long time to get back on track to where they should be with their education and careers for their ages.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 14:20     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
It varies from state to state. Some require testing, certification of the teachers/parents, forced curriculums, visits to the home by officials, etc. and some have ZERO regulation (like Texas, where you don't even have notify anyone).
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 14:17     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.


Why?


Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.

Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!


+1

Only in the US is something like this legal.


Typical. I don't agree with it, we must make it illegal.


I try to be Laisser-faire about these things. I’m the sort of person who reads Ayn Rand and thinks, “yeah! Let people live their lives!” But then I look around and realize that the world is full of idiot parents who will literally deprive their children of a future because they want to homeschool them even though they aren’t qualified to do so. And that the depth of their idiocy is so great that they can’t even perceive the reality that they are unqualified. I think in America, kids have some basic birthrights and one of them is K-12 education. So I’m with Germany on this one. Parents don’t have the right to deprive their kids of education, and the state can’t afford to effectively regulate homeschooling. So, I do think homeschooling should be illegal.


And which of your constitutional rights will you give up in return?


It's not a zero-sum game.

Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 14:09     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.


Why?


Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.

Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!


+1

Only in the US is something like this legal.


Typical. I don't agree with it, we must make it illegal.



And which of your constitutional rights will you give up in return?


It's not a zero-sum game.

Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 14:06     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
I know one of these Florida moms. She “unschools”. She’s not educated and is single, and deeply involved in the conspiracy theory world.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2018 13:49     Subject: Why do uneducated people homeschool?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Homeschooler here. I know my own limitations, and would not attempt to teach high school level physics or chemistry to my own children... I'll send them to the local community college for those types of courses if I can not find an appropriate teacher/tutor among the homeschoolers that I know. When someone insinuates, however, that I'm not qualified to teach my six year old and nine year old children (after going through 12 years of public school and several semesters of college), then they are basically saying that the public school system taught me squat. Which, if that were true, would be one reason for not wanting one's own children in said system, right?


What? Saying you are not qualified to teach is not the same as saying the public school system taught you squat. My neighbor is very smart and well educated. She's a good attorney. But when I needed a root canal I didn't call her. Saying you are not qualified to do a certain job doesn't mean you are stupid or public school failed you. It means you are not qualified for every job.

Your logic is deeply flawed.


What's flawed is your own logic and argument tactics. We're not asking an attorney to do a root canal. We're asking an educated mother to teach her six-year-old math. Of course she can do that. Most people can do that who have a basic education.


Reading is fundamental. Read what you responded to. She is not talking about a 6 year old, she is talking about chem and physics so she plans to continue through high school, genius. If you want to argue, please stay on topic.

Look people can do what they want with their kids. Smoke around them, feed them crap. It's America. I don't agree with it, but I recognize their right. All I'm asking for are some basic standards to protect the children. They deserve an education and when a mom without a college education claims she can do it through high school she is deluding herself and her kids.

SoCal here. I know a number of homeschooled child actors. Education is enough to get a GED around the age of 14-15. Some had to do some sections multiple times. Once older, some take classes in CC, some go to regular university, some never take non-acting related classes. They are definitely not a burden on society without high school chemistry or English. Not everyone is preparing for a job in a big corporation. When a D is a grade that's enough to graduate or play sports, not much value is in being in the system for those striving for D average.


Are you serious? We should not be using Jennifer Lawrence dropping out in middle school as the paradigm for why you don't need high school science or English. Disgusting.

They are happily employed people, what else do you want? I am unhappily employed with a graduate degre as I had to get that degree because I don't know what I like to do and I chose money instead. My path is disgusting. I am glad that we don't shoe in everyone in one box. I see importance of school in the social aspect of life and preparing for dealing with "unfairness" in life. Academics - it's a memory exercise, schools don't teach analysis or logic much.