Anonymous
02/18/2018 09:30
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:
Think about it. Segregation ended because protests seeker a specific outcome. Those included, in individual cases, desegregating buses, lunch counters, school districts, etc. Those are very specific things. You did not answer my question. What specific action do you want to happen as a result? "Fewer student deaths" is not it. We all want that. What action(s) do you seek, that can be agreed upon by all, do you seek that will result in safer schools?
Who says that it has to be agreed upon by all? If we only did things that everyone agrees on, we'd never do anything.
As for the rest -- my suggestion is, when the protests happen, you listen to what the protesters say. That will answer your question about what the protesters want.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 09:27
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:
It was not off topic. People are reacting on emotion and not looking at the big picture. I'm not one of those... "Pro-life". Never have been. You need to look up the meaning of "devil's advocate". Why is it ok for a teacher to pull the students out of class for a protest in this case but not others? It's not. Now it's OK to strike in protest? Yes, we all want safe schools, but when you protest you seek an end result. What is it? Protesting for school safety. Does that mean allowing me to be trained and permitted to carry at school? Many would say that's not what they seek, but many would say that would help.
Bad idea.
It is really pretty clear what the people who are planning to participate in this protest want. They (we) want Congress to increase gun regulation. If that's not specific enough for you, or if you don't support this, then don't participate. But to hang out on the Internet and say, "But what do they want? I don't know what they want! They could be wanting anything! How can they protest if I don't know what they want?" -- well, what's your goal here? To stop other people's civic activism?
(And no, we don't all want safe schools. Or at least we don't all want safe schools more than we want other things. At this point, it seems clear that, to the few supporters of unlimited gun rights, unlimited gun rights are more important than safe schools.)
Anonymous
02/18/2018 09:24
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here. Let's change the scenario just a bit.
Over 3,000 (WHO stats) unborn are lost to abortions each day in the US yet Congress fails to act. To make a point I'm going to pull my second graders out of class for a period of time during a school day in protest of Congress' inaction. Do I have your support?
This is not playing devil's advocate, this is derailing a thread.
If you want to discuss a student walkout to protest legal abortion in the US, start your own thread.
I think you missed my point. I'm not going to start that thread because it isn't a political agenda I wish to push. My point is, as a professional teacher, I don't bring my personal political views into the classroom. I don't use my position or my students as political pawns, yet now it is being suggested that I pull them all out of class or even "strike". Doing so would be wrong for this and any other protest.
I have to go back again and ask, what would we be protesting? I keep seeing "inaction by Congress". What action do we want? "Something" is not an answer and I doubt anyone can come up with one common action to agree upon. It is not my place to pull students out of class or keep them from having class for days on end because of such a protest.
Yet this kind of action is exactly the kind of action that led to the end of institutionalized segregation. I am going to use my position to push this agenda because I don't want any more students to die. You don't have to. I'm going to. My building is going to. My district is going to. Do what you need to do, and the rest of us will too.
Think about it. Segregation ended because protests seeker a specific outcome. Those included, in individual cases, desegregating buses, lunch counters, school districts, etc. Those are very specific things. You did not answer my question. What specific action do you want to happen as a result? "Fewer student deaths" is not it. We all want that. What action(s) do you seek, that can be agreed upon by all, do you seek that will result in safer schools?
Anonymous
02/18/2018 09:18
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think this would be very difficult, if not impossible to orchestrate. States such as VA don't allow pubic employees to collectively strike. It's against the law.
And also, in some areas of the US people who have the power, the votes and the voices don’t use public school at all, they use private school, they homeschool... so this would not have a nationwide universal effect...
I think it would. If all the nation's public schools were shut down for several weeks or months, the economy would crash. People wouldn't be able to go to work. It is about time for teachers to do what no one else is brave enough or willing enough to do.
I would fully support teachers and/or students going on strike. Something has to be done.
Not every parent would support that. I’m a teacher of elementary students and I’m not “going on strike”.
Don’t need everyone. Just critical mass.
Do people really think we (teachers) should walk out of class with our students in a political protest? What do we want? A ban of all gun sales? A ban of only certain guns? No ban of any kind? Trained teachers with guns? More $ for mental health? Stricter background checks? Longer waiting periods? Who’s to say?
As a professional I don’t think it is my place to use my position and the students in such a protest.
It’s not just some random political protest. It’s an issue about school safety. Why has NOTHING been done since Sandy Hook? It’s disgusting.
I'll play devil's advocate here. Let's change the scenario just a bit.
Over 3,000 (WHO stats) unborn are lost to abortions each day in the US yet Congress fails to act. To make a point I'm going to pull my second graders out of class for a period of time during a school day in protest of Congress' inaction. Do I have your support?
Oh, you're one of those. "Pro-Life", huh? You want to force these babies to be born and then you don't give a shit when they get slaughtered at school a few years later. Got it. GFY.
Anyway, that's off topic. Go start a new thread about how you want to take away women's rights. This one is about protesting for SCHOOL SAFETY. Try to keep up.
It was not off topic. People are reacting on emotion and not looking at the big picture. I'm not one of those... "Pro-life". Never have been. You need to look up the meaning of "devil's advocate". Why is it ok for a teacher to pull the students out of class for a protest in this case but not others? It's not. Now it's OK to strike in protest? Yes, we all want safe schools, but when you protest you seek an end result. What is it? Protesting for school safety. Does that mean allowing me to be trained and permitted to carry at school? Many would say that's not what they seek, but many would say that would help.
Bad idea.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 09:14
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here. Let's change the scenario just a bit.
Over 3,000 (WHO stats) unborn are lost to abortions each day in the US yet Congress fails to act. To make a point I'm going to pull my second graders out of class for a period of time during a school day in protest of Congress' inaction. Do I have your support?
This is not playing devil's advocate, this is derailing a thread.
If you want to discuss a student walkout to protest legal abortion in the US, start your own thread.
I think you missed my point. I'm not going to start that thread because it isn't a political agenda I wish to push. My point is, as a professional teacher, I don't bring my personal political views into the classroom. I don't use my position or my students as political pawns, yet now it is being suggested that I pull them all out of class or even "strike". Doing so would be wrong for this and any other protest.
I have to go back again and ask, what would we be protesting? I keep seeing "inaction by Congress". What action do we want? "Something" is not an answer and I doubt anyone can come up with one common action to agree upon. It is not my place to pull students out of class or keep them from having class for days on end because of such a protest.
Yet this kind of action is exactly the kind of action that led to the end of institutionalized segregation. I am going to use my position to push this agenda because I don't want any more students to die. You don't have to. I'm going to. My building is going to. My district is going to. Do what you need to do, and the rest of us will too.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 09:10
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:
I think you missed my point. I'm not going to start that thread because it isn't a political agenda I wish to push. My point is, as a professional teacher, I don't bring my personal political views into the classroom. I don't use my position or my students as political pawns, yet now it is being suggested that I pull them all out of class or even "strike". Doing so would be wrong for this and any other protest.
I have to go back again and ask, what would we be protesting? I keep seeing "inaction by Congress". What action do we want? "Something" is not an answer and I doubt anyone can come up with one common action to agree upon. It is not my place to pull students out of class or keep them from having class for days on end because of such a protest.
If you don't want to participate, then don't.
However, as a professional teacher, you probably know that strikes/walk-outs/public protests don't need detailed policy proposals in order to make their point and be effective.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 09:08
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here. Let's change the scenario just a bit.
Over 3,000 (WHO stats) unborn are lost to abortions each day in the US yet Congress fails to act. To make a point I'm going to pull my second graders out of class for a period of time during a school day in protest of Congress' inaction. Do I have your support?
This is not playing devil's advocate, this is derailing a thread.
If you want to discuss a student walkout to protest legal abortion in the US, start your own thread.
I think you missed my point. I'm not going to start that thread because it isn't a political agenda I wish to push. My point is, as a professional teacher, I don't bring my personal political views into the classroom. I don't use my position or my students as political pawns, yet now it is being suggested that I pull them all out of class or even "strike". Doing so would be wrong for this and any other protest.
I have to go back again and ask, what would we be protesting? I keep seeing "inaction by Congress". What action do we want? "Something" is not an answer and I doubt anyone can come up with one common action to agree upon. It is not my place to pull students out of class or keep them from having class for days on end because of such a protest.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 08:58
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Teacher here. We are not worth sh*t. Few people are. The last few decades have been about empowerment of the 0.1% at the expense of everyone else.
Pay attention.
Pay attention.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 08:47
Subject: Re:If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
It's a stupid idea. Teachers are not as powerful as they think they are.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 08:45
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here. Let's change the scenario just a bit.
Over 3,000 (WHO stats) unborn are lost to abortions each day in the US yet Congress fails to act. To make a point I'm going to pull my second graders out of class for a period of time during a school day in protest of Congress' inaction. Do I have your support?
This is not playing devil's advocate, this is derailing a thread.
If you want to discuss a student walkout to protest legal abortion in the US, start your own thread.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 08:44
Subject: Re:If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:Teacher here, NRA member and legal responsible gun owner. No walkout is not necessary, training children in the way they should go is necessary. Caring for children as if they are our own is the way to go. Someone should have reached out to this young man as he is clearly still grieving the loss of his mother. With that said he is still responsible but according to independent news sources there was more than one shooter. There's the real truth and the FBI palatable truth.
If it were about training children in the way they should go, then other countries' levels of gun violence would be similar to ours -- unless you think that parents in every other country are far, far better at training children in the way they should go?
The difference between the US and every other country is this: the US has way more guns.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 08:08
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think this would be very difficult, if not impossible to orchestrate. States such as VA don't allow pubic employees to collectively strike. It's against the law.
And also, in some areas of the US people who have the power, the votes and the voices don’t use public school at all, they use private school, they homeschool... so this would not have a nationwide universal effect...
I think it would. If all the nation's public schools were shut down for several weeks or months, the economy would crash. People wouldn't be able to go to work. It is about time for teachers to do what no one else is brave enough or willing enough to do.
I would fully support teachers and/or students going on strike. Something has to be done.
Not every parent would support that. I’m a teacher of elementary students and I’m not “going on strike”.
Don’t need everyone. Just critical mass.
Do people really think we (teachers) should walk out of class with our students in a political protest? What do we want? A ban of all gun sales? A ban of only certain guns? No ban of any kind? Trained teachers with guns? More $ for mental health? Stricter background checks? Longer waiting periods? Who’s to say?
As a professional I don’t think it is my place to use my position and the students in such a protest.
It’s not just some random political protest. It’s an issue about school safety. Why has NOTHING been done since Sandy Hook? It’s disgusting.
I'll play devil's advocate here. Let's change the scenario just a bit.
Over 3,000 (WHO stats) unborn are lost to abortions each day in the US yet Congress fails to act. To make a point I'm going to pull my second graders out of class for a period of time during a school day in protest of Congress' inaction. Do I have your support?
Oh, you're one of those. "Pro-Life", huh? You want to force these babies to be born and then you don't give a shit when they get slaughtered at school a few years later. Got it. GFY.
Anyway, that's off topic. Go start a new thread about how you want to take away women's rights. This one is about protesting for SCHOOL SAFETY. Try to keep up.
NP here. It's always interesting to read a statement like yours because it really comes down to "women's rights" for those who think like you.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 08:02
Subject: Re:If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
Anonymous wrote:Teacher here, NRA member and legal responsible gun owner. No walkout is not necessary, training children in the way they should go is necessary. Caring for children as if they are our own is the way to go. Someone should have reached out to this young man as he is clearly still grieving the loss of his mother. With that said he is still responsible but according to independent news sources there was more than one shooter. There's the real truth and the FBI palatable truth.
NO NO NO. The data is crystal clear. More guns = more murders. It really is that simple.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 08:00
Subject: If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
I suggest nationwide workers strike, where all workers and volunteers call in sick (sick of gun violence) and go to marches for gun control instead. Repeat as necessary until Congress acts. Ban assault weapons. Have a buy back for those already on the streets.
Anonymous
02/18/2018 05:49
Subject: Re:If teachers strike nationally, could they bring the NRA to its knees?
NO. It is pointless because you won't push for anything that is politically viable. And ALL of our politicians are too concerned about job security and their whacked ideology to accomplish anything meaningful.