Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 16:59     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
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Anonymous wrote:Good. They've lived here under "temporary" status, and 15 years is beyond temporary.


Yep


You do realize these people are fully integrated into America families at this point, right? Spouses, children, teammates, neighbors, friends, coworkers of these hardworking people are having their eyes opened to the cruelty of Donald J Trump. Not even his proposed Bill of Love can change that.


What difference does it make that people here illegally have integrated into society here? When did this become a benchmark for allowing people to stay on given that they entered illegally in the first instance?

The extension of what you are saying is that people entering the country illegally in the future should be allowed to remain if they are integrated into the social fabric of the country.


I’m not saying anything about the future. Maybe respond to what’s on the screen rather than creating strawmen. Oops. Back to the rhetoric class again.

What I am saying is that people integrated should stay. That’s the point. Integrated. They have US Citizen family here. It does not benefit any US family to have family members ripped away. You should focus on protecting American families.


And what happens when more people enter the country illegally after those here currently are given legal status? And if they are integrated?

You are aware that in 1986 when approximately 3 million people were given amnesty there were assurances that we would not have a repeat of the situation that we are now faced with.

The only way that one can put a stop to illegal immigration is to deport those who enter the country without the appropriate papers. There has to be zero tolerance for illegals entering the country.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 16:51     Subject: You may not agree with Trump but he means business

Since when did Democrats decide that anybody inclined to walk into this country can stay?

Since when do Democrats use whataboutism ("visa overlays") as an excuse not to secure the Southern border?

Why not close all the gaps?

Republican politicians bear blame here too.

Can't we all agree that people should not be allowed to enter illegally?
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 16:51     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good. They've lived here under "temporary" status, and 15 years is beyond temporary.


Yep


You do realize these people are fully integrated into America families at this point, right? Spouses, children, teammates, neighbors, friends, coworkers of these hardworking people are having their eyes opened to the cruelty of Donald J Trump. Not even his proposed Bill of Love can change that.


What difference does it make that people here illegally have integrated into society here? When did this become a benchmark for allowing people to stay on given that they entered illegally in the first instance?

The extension of what you are saying is that people entering the country illegally in the future should be allowed to remain if they are integrated into the social fabric of the country.


I’m not saying anything about the future. Maybe respond to what’s on the screen rather than creating strawmen. Oops. Back to the rhetoric class again.

What I am saying is that people integrated should stay. That’s the point. Integrated. They have US Citizen family here. It does not benefit any US family to have family members ripped away. You should focus on protecting American families.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 15:02     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good. They've lived here under "temporary" status, and 15 years is beyond temporary.


Yep


You do realize these people are fully integrated into America families at this point, right? Spouses, children, teammates, neighbors, friends, coworkers of these hardworking people are having their eyes opened to the cruelty of Donald J Trump. Not even his proposed Bill of Love can change that.


What difference does it make that people here illegally have integrated into society here? When did this become a benchmark for allowing people to stay on given that they entered illegally in the first instance?

The extension of what you are saying is that people entering the country illegally in the future should be allowed to remain if they are integrated into the social fabric of the country.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 14:39     Subject: You may not agree with Trump but he means business
https://federalnewsradio.com/hiring-retention/2018/01/as-trump-debates-border-security-field-agents-decry-existing-dire-staffing-shortages/

Does he really mean business? TLDR version The CBP is hilariously understaffed due to a punishing polygraph that disqualifes more applicants than any other LE agency in the country/low starting salaries/potential pay freezes/awful work hours/etc

I thought illegal immigration was suppose to be Trump's pet issue? He has a very poor showing at it considering the state of the CBP.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 07:43     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good. They've lived here under "temporary" status, and 15 years is beyond temporary.


Yep


You do realize these people are fully integrated into America families at this point, right? Spouses, children, teammates, neighbors, friends, coworkers of these hardworking people are having their eyes opened to the cruelty of Donald J Trump. Not even his proposed Bill of Love can change that.


Let's be honest, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. What possible insight can some housewife in the DMV have about 200k Salvadorians across the country. Yet despite your ignorance you feel comfortable stating your worthless opinion as fact.


Um, okay. You might want to take a course in rhetoric sometime. Spend a little extra time on the genetic fallacy. This will sharpen your reasoning skills, so you can actually contribute to the conversation in a meaningful way.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2018 07:25     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good. They've lived here under "temporary" status, and 15 years is beyond temporary.


Yep


You do realize these people are fully integrated into America families at this point, right? Spouses, children, teammates, neighbors, friends, coworkers of these hardworking people are having their eyes opened to the cruelty of Donald J Trump. Not even his proposed Bill of Love can change that.


Let's be honest, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. What possible insight can some housewife in the DMV have about 200k Salvadorians across the country. Yet despite your ignorance you feel comfortable stating your worthless opinion as fact.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 23:22     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Maybe Trump does not mean business, after all. He seemed to be talking about amnesty for DACA illegals though in fairness he was all over the place on the issue of illegals.

So either he has no idea what he wants to do or he is ready to cave. When senators like Flake say that they were surprised at how receptive Trump was at the meeting, it seems to suggest that Trump is likely to throw in the towel.

Of course, his supporters are going nuts on Breitbart and viewing it as a total betrayal.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 20:22     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good. They've lived here under "temporary" status, and 15 years is beyond temporary.


Yep


You do realize these people are fully integrated into America families at this point, right? Spouses, children, teammates, neighbors, friends, coworkers of these hardworking people are having their eyes opened to the cruelty of Donald J Trump. Not even his proposed Bill of Love can change that.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 20:14     Subject: Re:You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:Good. They've lived here under "temporary" status, and 15 years is beyond temporary.


Yep
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 19:43     Subject: You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:These people have been here a long time. No new people are getting TPS, the have to have been here when the program was open.

They have to apply and pay to stay every 18 months and they can’t have criminal records. Many of them now have US citizen children. Deporting the parent of a US Citizens is bad policy. Often time the family that stays ends up going on public assistance. Most people understand all this. Stephen Miller does not. It’ bad for the families. It’s bad for state welfare programs. It’s bad for the community. But it makes some heartless non-thinking people think they are “winning”somehow.


The Salvadorans came here in 2001 on protected status. Temporary. How many Presidential terms later is it still the same situation? Now the 5th and the 3rd president?

Why call it temporary? If a diplomat is here or some such special visa their children DO NOT get to be US citizens so why did children of these temporary US residents?
[Vienna, Tysons, etc].


Children of diplomats are in fact eligible for green cards.


Children of diplomats [here temporarily] do not get birthright citizenship and neither should other children born in the US to those here on a temporary basis or born to non-citizens.


You would make a poor lawyer. They carved out an exception in the 14th amendment for diplomats.


I would make a poor lawyer? Those children of diplomats get green cards NOT citizenship. Readers can be so obtuse. One doubted my post about Maine sharing a border with Canada. Border states in our Civil War included Maryland and VA. Border states in the Civil War context don't refer to those contiguous to Canada.

The title of the thread is "you may not agree with Trump but he means business."

I do think that was seen today in the meeting with R's, D's, and Trump.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 13:23     Subject: You may not agree with Trump but he means business
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Anonymous wrote:Glad he is doing this, but the parents at my kids school seems to want to "save" them.


lol... god forbid parents want to save children even if they are not their own.


We need to have more sympathy for OP. On one hand, she wants to be able to brag that her children attend the Big 3 school. On the other hand, her own retrograde Conservatism has made her a pariah there. It is hard. And lonely.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 12:37     Subject: You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Anonymous wrote:Glad he is doing this, but the parents at my kids school seems to want to "save" them.


lol... god forbid parents want to save children even if they are not their own.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 12:35     Subject: You may not agree with Trump but he means business
Glad he is doing this, but the parents at my kids school seems to want to "save" them.

Anonymous
Post 01/09/2018 12:33     Subject: You may not agree with Trump but he means business
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Let’s think about about “Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the 14th Amendment. That’s what allows the children of diplomats born whe to get only green cards. Not citizenship. It doesn’t apply to anyone else. Look it up. I say again quit your bitchin’ and change the Constitution. Our troops fight and die for the principles in the Constitution, not the ones you imagine to be there.



Correct. And they do not register for selective service either.

I'm glad SOMEONE here understands the Constitution.