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Anonymous wrote:My 15 year old started ADHD meds in 2nd grade, and they were life changing. He was basically unable to sit through class and starting to suffer a lot of anxiety and depression in school. As he's matured, the meds have mattered less. At this point as a high school sophomore taking lots of AP classes and no longer taking meds.

This tells me your son didn't have adhd. It was just immaturity. Seems like you drugged him just to make life easier. I get it, but it doesn't seem like he has adhd. I have a 12 yr old DS, and he was pretty challenging at 7, too. But, he doesn't have adhd. He was just a boy full of energy and lots of things going around his head, like most 7 yr olds.

This tells me that you're an idiot. If you knew anything g about ADHD you would realiza that it's completely normal for some kids to outgrow it as their brain develops. There is actually a huge long term study going on at NIH right now to study this that involves imaging kids' brains. Guess what dumbass: kids with ADHD can be distinguished through brain imaging.

Christ, you're stupid.

For f@ck's sake, crack a book before you embarrass yourself.

Yep, it's completely normal for kids to outgrow their immature, inattentive, hyper personality, without medication.

Guess what, idiot, there is no consensus among doctors that imaging is a foolproof diagnosis for adhd. Crack a book yourself.

Dumb@ss, immaturity or being hyper is not the same as ADHD. And imaging actually reveals different types of ADHD as different developmental issues. This is not controversial.

Wow I see why your kid was probably labeled ADHD. If they're as much of an immature impulsive firecracker jerk as you are, the poor kid never stood a chance. Grow up and calm down PP, you're a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:My 15 year old started ADHD meds in 2nd grade, and they were life changing. He was basically unable to sit through class and starting to suffer a lot of anxiety and depression in school. As he's matured, the meds have mattered less. At this point as a high school sophomore taking lots of AP classes and no longer taking meds.

This tells me your son didn't have adhd. It was just immaturity. Seems like you drugged him just to make life easier. I get it, but it doesn't seem like he has adhd. I have a 12 yr old DS, and he was pretty challenging at 7, too. But, he doesn't have adhd. He was just a boy full of energy and lots of things going around his head, like most 7 yr olds.

This tells me that you're an idiot. If you knew anything g about ADHD you would realiza that it's completely normal for some kids to outgrow it as their brain develops. There is actually a huge long term study going on at NIH right now to study this that involves imaging kids' brains. Guess what dumbass: kids with ADHD can be distinguished through brain imaging.

Christ, you're stupid.

For f@ck's sake, crack a book before you embarrass yourself.

Yep, it's completely normal for kids to outgrow their immature, inattentive, hyper personality, without medication.

Guess what, idiot, there is no consensus among doctors that imaging is a foolproof diagnosis for adhd. Crack a book yourself.

Dumb@ss, immaturity or being hyper is not the same as ADHD. And imaging actually reveals different types of ADHD as different developmental issues. This is not controversial.

The American Academy of Pediatrics doesn't recommend imaging for adhd diagnosis.

"More generally, the American Academy of Pediatrics doesn’t recommend any lab tests for ADHD – making specific reference to neuroimaging techniques, including SPECT, and qEEG. The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry is similarly skeptical: ADHD is “a clinical diagnosis,” and brain imaging and the like provide “insufficient data.”

https://www.additudemag.com/brain-scans-for-adhd/

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Anonymous wrote:My 15 year old started ADHD meds in 2nd grade, and they were life changing. He was basically unable to sit through class and starting to suffer a lot of anxiety and depression in school. As he's matured, the meds have mattered less. At this point as a high school sophomore taking lots of AP classes and no longer taking meds.

This tells me your son didn't have adhd. It was just immaturity. Seems like you drugged him just to make life easier. I get it, but it doesn't seem like he has adhd. I have a 12 yr old DS, and he was pretty challenging at 7, too. But, he doesn't have adhd. He was just a boy full of energy and lots of things going around his head, like most 7 yr olds.

I put more faith into random internet diagnoses than real ones. Don't you? Jeez Louise!

It sounds like as that boy matured he developed a greater capacity to handle his own strengths and weaknesses, which is a goal we all have for our kids, and which is commendable.

? That's what pp said. He matured. As we mature, we learn to handle our weaknesses better.

Studies have shown that about 30% or so of adhd is a misdiagnosis. Statistically, that means 1 out of every 3 poster on here who stated that their DC has adhd doesn't really have it. Either that, or DCUM hit the adhd jackpot.

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Anonymous wrote:My 15 year old started ADHD meds in 2nd grade, and they were life changing. He was basically unable to sit through class and starting to suffer a lot of anxiety and depression in school. As he's matured, the meds have mattered less. At this point as a high school sophomore taking lots of AP classes and no longer taking meds.

This tells me your son didn't have adhd. It was just immaturity. Seems like you drugged him just to make life easier. I get it, but it doesn't seem like he has adhd. I have a 12 yr old DS, and he was pretty challenging at 7, too. But, he doesn't have adhd. He was just a boy full of energy and lots of things going around his head, like most 7 yr olds.

I put more faith into random internet diagnoses than real ones. Don't you? Jeez Louise!

It sounds like as that boy matured he developed a greater capacity to handle his own strengths and weaknesses, which is a goal we all have for our kids, and which is commendable.

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Anonymous wrote:My 15 year old started ADHD meds in 2nd grade, and they were life changing. He was basically unable to sit through class and starting to suffer a lot of anxiety and depression in school. As he's matured, the meds have mattered less. At this point as a high school sophomore taking lots of AP classes and no longer taking meds.

This tells me your son didn't have adhd. It was just immaturity. Seems like you drugged him just to make life easier. I get it, but it doesn't seem like he has adhd. I have a 12 yr old DS, and he was pretty challenging at 7, too. But, he doesn't have adhd. He was just a boy full of energy and lots of things going around his head, like most 7 yr olds.

This tells me that you're an idiot. If you knew anything g about ADHD you would realiza that it's completely normal for some kids to outgrow it as their brain develops. There is actually a huge long term study going on at NIH right now to study this that involves imaging kids' brains. Guess what dumbass: kids with ADHD can be distinguished through brain imaging.

Christ, you're stupid.

For f@ck's sake, crack a book before you embarrass yourself.

Yep, it's completely normal for kids to outgrow their immature, inattentive, hyper personality, without medication.

Guess what, idiot, there is no consensus among doctors that imaging is a foolproof diagnosis for adhd. Crack a book yourself.

Dumb@ss, immaturity or being hyper is not the same as ADHD. And imaging actually reveals different types of ADHD as different developmental issues. This is not controversial.

And ADHD is about development and when it happens. When a kids brain structure is completely different than their peers, it's not immaturity. Christ you're stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:My 15 year old started ADHD meds in 2nd grade, and they were life changing. He was basically unable to sit through class and starting to suffer a lot of anxiety and depression in school. As he's matured, the meds have mattered less. At this point as a high school sophomore taking lots of AP classes and no longer taking meds.

This tells me your son didn't have adhd. It was just immaturity. Seems like you drugged him just to make life easier. I get it, but it doesn't seem like he has adhd. I have a 12 yr old DS, and he was pretty challenging at 7, too. But, he doesn't have adhd. He was just a boy full of energy and lots of things going around his head, like most 7 yr olds.

This tells me that you're an idiot. If you knew anything g about ADHD you would realiza that it's completely normal for some kids to outgrow it as their brain develops. There is actually a huge long term study going on at NIH right now to study this that involves imaging kids' brains. Guess what dumbass: kids with ADHD can be distinguished through brain imaging.

Christ, you're stupid.

For f@ck's sake, crack a book before you embarrass yourself.

Yep, it's completely normal for kids to outgrow their immature, inattentive, hyper personality, without medication.

Guess what, idiot, there is no consensus among doctors that imaging is a foolproof diagnosis for adhd. Crack a book yourself.

Dumb@ss, immaturity or being hyper is not the same as ADHD. And imaging actually reveals different types of ADHD as different developmental issues. This is not controversial.

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Anonymous wrote:Do other countries have similar levels of ADD/ADHD diagnoses as America? Or is it like obesity and diabetes where we alone top the charts?

From what I can tell, this is an American problem. You never hear of people from other continents and cultures complaining their kid has ADHD and MUST be put on meds to function in life. That is strictly an American thing, and very sad. Makes you wonder how cave people functioned back in the day, since they didn't have shrinks and do tors to dole out false diagnoses and get them addicted to legal drugs.

We are Germans here for 4 years with our children for my husbands job. This is absolutly not a thing in Germany. It has been so shocking to see how many kids are on drugs here for basically bad behavior. The standard for behavior for German children, our expectations for independence and organization is so different from Americans. If an American kid is not maturing, not listening, not getting good grades, out dispensed the drugs and thearapy. In Germany, the parents are the leaders, German kids are expected to fall in line and most do. I clearly see why there are so many social problems, so much drug addiction, and so much violence here. I mever unserstood it, until i saw with my eyeshow "sick" everyone is.

This country has a lot to offer, but Im very grateful that i dont have to raise my kids here. So, definitly not normal for kids in Germany to he diagnosed with ADHD and then given glorified street drugs.

Germany is also 20 years behind the times on treating autism, warehouses its kids with anything beyond very mild SN in separate schools, and decides who is worthy of being college-bound at age 10. There are plenty of problems with both countries.

Americam here who worked in Germany for a year. Their kids are much better behaved, more mature, and dont shoot each other in school or on the streets. Its us who are the barbarians.

You're basically both right. The average German kid is better behaved, but it's because they separate out and stigmatize those kids who might be anything more than slightly non-neurotypical. Also, they have sensible gun laws rather than the NRA nonsense we suffer through here.

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Anonymous wrote:Do other countries have similar levels of ADD/ADHD diagnoses as America? Or is it like obesity and diabetes where we alone top the charts?

From what I can tell, this is an American problem. You never hear of people from other continents and cultures complaining their kid has ADHD and MUST be put on meds to function in life. That is strictly an American thing, and very sad. Makes you wonder how cave people functioned back in the day, since they didn't have shrinks and do tors to dole out false diagnoses and get them addicted to legal drugs.

We are Germans here for 4 years with our children for my husbands job. This is absolutly not a thing in Germany. It has been so shocking to see how many kids are on drugs here for basically bad behavior. The standard for behavior for German children, our expectations for independence and organization is so different from Americans. If an American kid is not maturing, not listening, not getting good grades, out dispensed the drugs and thearapy. In Germany, the parents are the leaders, German kids are expected to fall in line and most do. I clearly see why there are so many social problems, so much drug addiction, and so much violence here. I mever unserstood it, until i saw with my eyeshow "sick" everyone is.

This country has a lot to offer, but Im very grateful that i dont have to raise my kids here. So, definitly not normal for kids in Germany to he diagnosed with ADHD and then given glorified street drugs.

Germany is also 20 years behind the times on treating autism, warehouses its kids with anything beyond very mild SN in separate schools, and decides who is worthy of being college-bound at age 10. There are plenty of problems with both countries.

Americam here who worked in Germany for a year. Their kids are much better behaved, more mature, and dont shoot each other in school or on the streets. Its us who are the barbarians.

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Anonymous wrote:Do other countries have similar levels of ADD/ADHD diagnoses as America? Or is it like obesity and diabetes where we alone top the charts?

From what I can tell, this is an American problem. You never hear of people from other continents and cultures complaining their kid has ADHD and MUST be put on meds to function in life. That is strictly an American thing, and very sad. Makes you wonder how cave people functioned back in the day, since they didn't have shrinks and do tors to dole out false diagnoses and get them addicted to legal drugs.

We are Germans here for 4 years with our children for my husbands job. This is absolutly not a thing in Germany. It has been so shocking to see how many kids are on drugs here for basically bad behavior. The standard for behavior for German children, our expectations for independence and organization is so different from Americans. If an American kid is not maturing, not listening, not getting good grades, out dispensed the drugs and thearapy. In Germany, the parents are the leaders, German kids are expected to fall in line and most do. I clearly see why there are so many social problems, so much drug addiction, and so much violence here. I mever unserstood it, until i saw with my eyeshow "sick" everyone is.

This country has a lot to offer, but Im very grateful that i dont have to raise my kids here. So, definitly not normal for kids in Germany to he diagnosed with ADHD and then given glorified street drugs.

Germany is also 20 years behind the times on treating autism, warehouses its kids with anything beyond very mild SN in separate schools, and decides who is worthy of being college-bound at age 10. There are plenty of problems with both countries.

Another PP here who DK. was just diagnosed at 15 with exceptionally high IQ. Also not exposed to electronics until age 13 and was 14 when bought gaming system, always very active. Has nothing to do with electronic use.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine do not. 4thand6th grade.

They could always sit still, pay attention and listen intently to teachers and coaches. Both could concentrate at tasks.

Most ADHD kids I know were given constant access to iPads, iPhones, video games and TV from a young age. Dinner out? Here’s my iPhone. Car trip? Watch movies or play on phone non-stop. It’s creating socially f-caked up kids that can’t self modulate or sit still.

And yet my 24 YO has ADHD and grew up before smart phones were a thing, watched no TV until age 2 and very little after that, and we’ve never had a video gaming system. She also never had behavior issues. ADHD presents itself in various ways.

I don't think most people think ADHD is not real, just that it's over diagnosed.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine do not. 4thand6th grade.

They could always sit still, pay attention and listen intently to teachers and coaches. Both could concentrate at tasks.

Most ADHD kids I know were given constant access to iPads, iPhones, video games and TV from a young age. Dinner out? Here’s my iPhone. Car trip? Watch movies or play on phone non-stop. It’s creating socially f-caked up kids that can’t self modulate or sit still.

And yet my 24 YO has ADHD and grew up before smart phones were a thing, watched no TV until age 2 and very little after that, and we’ve never had a video gaming system. She also never had behavior issues. ADHD presents itself in various ways.

+1 PP is not well educated with average children is my guess. My 14 year-old DS with ADHD almost never (if ever) saw an electronic screen before the age of 2 and very very rarely after that. We have no iPads and there were no video games until he was 13. Nice try, though. Also, we didn't even try medication until high school, and now he only takes when he has big tests. And don't you all jump in and tell me that he doesn't really have it. He does. Quite severely. But medication doesn't sit well with him. Fortunately, he's exceptionally smart and can compensate enough to get decent grades. Otherwise, he just manages the best he can. Development and maturity has made a big difference.

Our DK just was diagnosed at nearly 16. Female teachers, but moreso the awful teaching methods employed these days, are a huge part of the problem for lots of kids. However our DK is in an amazing school environment set up in a way that accommodates all types of learners and guess what, DK still has trouble which led to the testing.

DK wants to use meds just to get through our educational system. DK is highly intelligent and quite possibly wouldn't want a vocational track.

I do think we need more options for kids. College is not for everyone and we no longer have enough other options.

But you judgmental folks need to get off your high horses. Lots of our kids have other health issues to deal with and you frankly should just be happy yours are fine. You have no idea what you are talking about. No one I know wants their kids to have to take stimulant medications to deal with school - are you crazy? We are the same as you - hoping our kids grow up healthy and find a profession they love.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine do not. 4thand6th grade.

They could always sit still, pay attention and listen intently to teachers and coaches. Both could concentrate at tasks.

Most ADHD kids I know were given constant access to iPads, iPhones, video games and TV from a young age. Dinner out? Here’s my iPhone. Car trip? Watch movies or play on phone non-stop. It’s creating socially f-caked up kids that can’t self modulate or sit still.

And yet my 24 YO has ADHD and grew up before smart phones were a thing, watched no TV until age 2 and very little after that, and we’ve never had a video gaming system. She also never had behavior issues. ADHD presents itself in various ways.

I don't think most people think ADHD is not real, just that it's over diagnosed.

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Anonymous wrote:Do other countries have similar levels of ADD/ADHD diagnoses as America? Or is it like obesity and diabetes where we alone top the charts?

From what I can tell, this is an American problem. You never hear of people from other continents and cultures complaining their kid has ADHD and MUST be put on meds to function in life. That is strictly an American thing, and very sad. Makes you wonder how cave people functioned back in the day, since they didn't have shrinks and do tors to dole out false diagnoses and get them addicted to legal drugs.

We are Germans here for 4 years with our children for my husbands job. This is absolutly not a thing in Germany. It has been so shocking to see how many kids are on drugs here for basically bad behavior. The standard for behavior for German children, our expectations for independence and organization is so different from Americans. If an American kid is not maturing, not listening, not getting good grades, out dispensed the drugs and thearapy. In Germany, the parents are the leaders, German kids are expected to fall in line and most do. I clearly see why there are so many social problems, so much drug addiction, and so much violence here. I mever unserstood it, until i saw with my eyeshow "sick" everyone is.

This country has a lot to offer, but Im very grateful that i dont have to raise my kids here. So, definitly not normal for kids in Germany to he diagnosed with ADHD and then given glorified street drugs.

My friend from India says the same thing. She is appalled by the number of dumb kids and high school dropouts here in America, and the school issues with students that act out. She said they just didn't have those problems where she comes from in India.

It's very interesting to see how the rest of the world views our country. Very eye opening.

And now education advice from a country that's 26% illiterate and where women are stoned to death for being taped. Awesome!

Yea, India, the same country that is giving Americans many of their doctors and stem workers because the native population is incapable of that work.

The US could not even produce a native surgeon general. Had to get one from that "illiterate" country. I bet a native born and raised American cleans Dr. Vivek Hallegere Murthy's toilets.

You all really need to educated yourselves about India. It is a country with a 3,000 year old caste system and not a model for the modern world.

Apparently, in the "modern" world, every child who doesn't fit the mold needs a medical diagnosis.

What the heck is wrong with you, PP? Do you honestly think that we in the US can't learn something from other cultures as imperfect as they are? You don't think we have a serious issue with guns and violence in this country where we could learn from other countries who have almost no school shootings? You don't think that we have an issue in this country with over prescribing drugs?

I am not Indian, btw.