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Anonymous wrote:I think you protest too much. Yorktown once was considered one of the three top public schools in the DC region. For whatever reason, it's not even close to being in that category any longer, and no one really believes families in North Arlington, which has actually gotten wealthier, are indifferent about this.

Top 3 in the DC region? When was that!?
Or do you mean top 3 in NoVa?

Definitely region.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/high-school-challenge-2017/

I don't understand what this is supposed to show. If I select just region schools and sort by rank, Yorktown is the #4 public school in the list. How does this show that Yorktown isn't even close to top 3 anymore?

Anonymous wrote:Does Naviance show matriculations or acceptances (or both)?

Both.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you protest too much. Yorktown once was considered one of the three top public schools in the DC region. For whatever reason, it's not even close to being in that category any longer, and no one really believes families in North Arlington, which has actually gotten wealthier, are indifferent about this.

Top 3 in the DC region? When was that!?
Or do you mean top 3 in NoVa?

Definitely region.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/high-school-challenge-2017/

This can't be right! Where are Langley and Mclean?

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Anonymous wrote:I think you protest too much. Yorktown once was considered one of the three top public schools in the DC region. For whatever reason, it's not even close to being in that category any longer, and no one really believes families in North Arlington, which has actually gotten wealthier, are indifferent about this.

Top 3 in the DC region? When was that!?
Or do you mean top 3 in NoVa?

Definitely region.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/high-school-challenge-2017/

Anonymous wrote:I think you protest too much. Yorktown once was considered one of the three top public schools in the DC region. For whatever reason, it's not even close to being in that category any longer, and no one really believes families in North Arlington, which has actually gotten wealthier, are indifferent about this.

Top 3 in the DC region? When was that!?
Or do you mean top 3 in NoVa?

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

That's more encouraging, although if those are acceptances and not matriculations, this may comprise only 6 actual students. Regardless, for a graduating class of 500+ where almost everyone goes onto college, these rates are really low.

YHS parent here. I know plenty of folks who think that if their kid doesn't get into HYP, UVA is the second choice. They see no reason to pay more. I don't share this belief, but it is prevalent, and can explain much of what you see.

Another YHS parent here. Many folks I know with more than two kids, won't even entertain out-of-state options. One good friend had two out of four kids at top of class. Both went to UVA and didn't even apply out of state. One had perfect SAT scores (along with other stellar accomplishments) and could have gone anywhere. He is now working at the top of his field.

Every state has kids like this (i.e., incredibly smart/accomplished kids who never bother to apply to top schools out of state), but it sounds like this is more pronounced in Virginia than in, say, Pennsylvania or Maryland or South Carolina. So it sounds that APS' low acceptance rates are explained, in part, by the fact that the kids who are applying to Top 25 Universities (ex. UVa and W&M) and Top 25 liberal arts colleges may not be the very best of the graduates from APS high schools, i.e., kids whose parents may be able to afford Ivies/NESCAC, but they don't have the grades or SATs/ACTs? I would buy that.

UVa is the #3 public college/university in the country, behind only UCLA and UC Berkley, and William & Mary is #6. Naturally this makes the in-state public effect more pronounced in Virginia than in most other states. If you don't qualify for financial aid and are in-state, it's hard to beat UVa in terms of overall value.

All good. But it's also a trap for kids who ultimately don't get into UVa or W&M. Not dissing the other state schools because I know they are solid, but it's a significant drop off after UVa and W&M in terms of national perception.

How is that a trap? The kids who don't get into UVa or W&M probably also don't have a great shot at an Ivy or Ivy-caliber school, so they're going to a school that doesn't have the same level of prestige whether they go in-state or out. At least they also have viable in-state options for students who aren't at the top of their class.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

That's more encouraging, although if those are acceptances and not matriculations, this may comprise only 6 actual students. Regardless, for a graduating class of 500+ where almost everyone goes onto college, these rates are really low.

YHS parent here. I know plenty of folks who think that if their kid doesn't get into HYP, UVA is the second choice. They see no reason to pay more. I don't share this belief, but it is prevalent, and can explain much of what you see.

Another YHS parent here. Many folks I know with more than two kids, won't even entertain out-of-state options. One good friend had two out of four kids at top of class. Both went to UVA and didn't even apply out of state. One had perfect SAT scores (along with other stellar accomplishments) and could have gone anywhere. He is now working at the top of his field.

Every state has kids like this (i.e., incredibly smart/accomplished kids who never bother to apply to top schools out of state), but it sounds like this is more pronounced in Virginia than in, say, Pennsylvania or Maryland or South Carolina. So it sounds that APS' low acceptance rates are explained, in part, by the fact that the kids who are applying to Top 25 Universities (ex. UVa and W&M) and Top 25 liberal arts colleges may not be the very best of the graduates from APS high schools, i.e., kids whose parents may be able to afford Ivies/NESCAC, but they don't have the grades or SATs/ACTs? I would buy that.

UVa is the #3 public college/university in the country, behind only UCLA and UC Berkley, and William & Mary is #6. Naturally this makes the in-state public effect more pronounced in Virginia than in most other states. If you don't qualify for financial aid and are in-state, it's hard to beat UVa in terms of overall value.

All good. But it's also a trap for kids who ultimately don't get into UVa or W&M. Not dissing the other state schools because I know they are solid, but it's a significant drop off after UVa and W&M in terms of national perception.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

That's more encouraging, although if those are acceptances and not matriculations, this may comprise only 6 actual students. Regardless, for a graduating class of 500+ where almost everyone goes onto college, these rates are really low.

YHS parent here. I know plenty of folks who think that if their kid doesn't get into HYP, UVA is the second choice. They see no reason to pay more. I don't share this belief, but it is prevalent, and can explain much of what you see.

That may explain lower matriculation rates to HYP and Top 25s (ex. UVa, W&M), but it doesn't explain lower acceptance rates. UNLESS, admissions directors at top 25 universities and colleges KNOW that UVa and W&M are attractive alternatives and thus, pre-emptively, are more likely to reject the applicant from Virginia. Top schools don't enjoy accepting students who ultimately decide not to go to their institution. If that is the case, I would expect to see similar dynamics in North Carolina, Michigan, Texas and California -- states with in-state options within the Top 25 Universities.

DP. I agree that students from Virginia probably have a harder time getting into HYP than, for instance, similarly-situated students from Maryland because the schools know they are more likely to go to UVa over HYP than a Maryland student is to go to UMd over HYP. I disagree, though, that this would be the only way it affects admission rates. Students who have a chance at HYP but know they'd choose UVa instead are likely to apply to UVa early. The very top students from those schools get accepted to UVa and then never apply to HYP, and thus it wouldn't surprise me if the bulk of the HYP applications from Virginia aren't coming from the very best candidates, but rather from those a notch below the best but who still could have a shot. Of course their acceptance rates won't be as high as for the very best candidates, resulting in lower admissions rates than you see from other states, and thus giving the false impression that Virginia students are somehow sub-par.

It also wouldn't surprise me if this effect is more pronounced for APS than for FCPS. Given how much more expensive housing is in APS than in FCPS, it seems seems like there are more families in APS who wouldn't qualify for financial aid but who are stretching their budgets further to pay for housing, and thus aren't able to save as much for college. That creates a lot more pressure to find lower-cost alternatives to HYP.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

That's more encouraging, although if those are acceptances and not matriculations, this may comprise only 6 actual students. Regardless, for a graduating class of 500+ where almost everyone goes onto college, these rates are really low.

YHS parent here. I know plenty of folks who think that if their kid doesn't get into HYP, UVA is the second choice. They see no reason to pay more. I don't share this belief, but it is prevalent, and can explain much of what you see.

Another YHS parent here. Many folks I know with more than two kids, won't even entertain out-of-state options. One good friend had two out of four kids at top of class. Both went to UVA and didn't even apply out of state. One had perfect SAT scores (along with other stellar accomplishments) and could have gone anywhere. He is now working at the top of his field.

Every state has kids like this (i.e., incredibly smart/accomplished kids who never bother to apply to top schools out of state), but it sounds like this is more pronounced in Virginia than in, say, Pennsylvania or Maryland or South Carolina. So it sounds that APS' low acceptance rates are explained, in part, by the fact that the kids who are applying to Top 25 Universities (ex. UVa and W&M) and Top 25 liberal arts colleges may not be the very best of the graduates from APS high schools, i.e., kids whose parents may be able to afford Ivies/NESCAC, but they don't have the grades or SATs/ACTs? I would buy that.

UVa is the #3 public college/university in the country, behind only UCLA and UC Berkley, and William & Mary is #6. Naturally this makes the in-state public effect more pronounced in Virginia than in most other states. If you don't qualify for financial aid and are in-state, it's hard to beat UVa in terms of overall value.

All good. But it's also a trap for kids who ultimately don't get into UVa or W&M. Not dissing the other state schools because I know they are solid, but it's a significant drop off after UVa and W&M in terms of national perception.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

Duke is not an Ivy!!!!!! Three kids from TC Williams also got into Duke, by the way.

How many are URM? The hook is more important than the school.

What is 'URM" ?

Under-represented minority.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

That's more encouraging, although if those are acceptances and not matriculations, this may comprise only 6 actual students. Regardless, for a graduating class of 500+ where almost everyone goes onto college, these rates are really low.

YHS parent here. I know plenty of folks who think that if their kid doesn't get into HYP, UVA is the second choice. They see no reason to pay more. I don't share this belief, but it is prevalent, and can explain much of what you see.

That may explain lower matriculation rates to HYP and Top 25s (ex. UVa, W&M), but it doesn't explain lower acceptance rates. UNLESS, admissions directors at top 25 universities and colleges KNOW that UVa and W&M are attractive alternatives and thus, pre-emptively, are more likely to reject the applicant from Virginia. Top schools don't enjoy accepting students who ultimately decide not to go to their institution. If that is the case, I would expect to see similar dynamics in North Carolina, Michigan, Texas and California -- states with in-state options within the Top 25 Universities.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

That's more encouraging, although if those are acceptances and not matriculations, this may comprise only 6 actual students. Regardless, for a graduating class of 500+ where almost everyone goes onto college, these rates are really low.

YHS parent here. I know plenty of folks who think that if their kid doesn't get into HYP, UVA is the second choice. They see no reason to pay more. I don't share this belief, but it is prevalent, and can explain much of what you see.

Another YHS parent here. Many folks I know with more than two kids, won't even entertain out-of-state options. One good friend had two out of four kids at top of class. Both went to UVA and didn't even apply out of state. One had perfect SAT scores (along with other stellar accomplishments) and could have gone anywhere. He is now working at the top of his field.

Every state has kids like this (i.e., incredibly smart/accomplished kids who never bother to apply to top schools out of state), but it sounds like this is more pronounced in Virginia than in, say, Pennsylvania or Maryland or South Carolina. So it sounds that APS' low acceptance rates are explained, in part, by the fact that the kids who are applying to Top 25 Universities (ex. UVa and W&M) and Top 25 liberal arts colleges may not be the very best of the graduates from APS high schools, i.e., kids whose parents may be able to afford Ivies/NESCAC, but they don't have the grades or SATs/ACTs? I would buy that.

UVa is the #3 public college/university in the country, behind only UCLA and UC Berkley, and William & Mary is #6. Naturally this makes the in-state public effect more pronounced in Virginia than in most other states. If you don't qualify for financial aid and are in-state, it's hard to beat UVa in terms of overall value.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

Duke is not an Ivy!!!!!! Three kids from TC Williams also got into Duke, by the way.

True. I don't have a dog in the hunt, but Duke is better than half the Ivies. Harvard, Yale and Princeton are better, but it's a stretch to say that any of the other Ivies are better than Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

Duke is not an Ivy!!!!!! Three kids from TC Williams also got into Duke, by the way.

How many are URM? The hook is more important than the school.

What is 'URM" ?

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids from Yorktown's Class of 2017 ended up at Ivies?

One (1) - Dartmouth.

Ouch. That's lower than TC Williams.

And it's also not true. Looking at YHS Naviance now....6 got into Cornell, 1 got into Stanford, 1 got into Brown, 2 got into Dartmouth, 3 got into Duke, etc.

That's more encouraging, although if those are acceptances and not matriculations, this may comprise only 6 actual students. Regardless, for a graduating class of 500+ where almost everyone goes onto college, these rates are really low.

YHS parent here. I know plenty of folks who think that if their kid doesn't get into HYP, UVA is the second choice. They see no reason to pay more. I don't share this belief, but it is prevalent, and can explain much of what you see.

Another YHS parent here. Many folks I know with more than two kids, won't even entertain out-of-state options. One good friend had two out of four kids at top of class. Both went to UVA and didn't even apply out of state. One had perfect SAT scores (along with other stellar accomplishments) and could have gone anywhere. He is now working at the top of his field.

Every state has kids like this (i.e., incredibly smart/accomplished kids who never bother to apply to top schools out of state), but it sounds like this is more pronounced in Virginia than in, say, Pennsylvania or Maryland or South Carolina. So it sounds that APS' low acceptance rates are explained, in part, by the fact that the kids who are applying to Top 25 Universities (ex. UVa and W&M) and Top 25 liberal arts colleges may not be the very best of the graduates from APS high schools, i.e., kids whose parents may be able to afford Ivies/NESCAC, but they don't have the grades or SATs/ACTs? I would buy that.