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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

And so i repeat my metaphor... if I offer a homeless person $100 to knock his teeth out, and he agrees, is that alright? Is it morally acceptable to do so? Is it morally acceptable for a person to watch and get off to footage of me doing that?

Just because some consents to something does not make it morally acceptable or take away the harm done.

Your analogy isn't as clever as you seem to think. There are issues in film about where the line is. There are similar issues in extreme porn videos, but you're not really talking about that. The OP's article isn't about that issue or about breaking teeth. Start a new thread if you want to talk about the line between consent and abuse in porn and art.

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

And so i repeat my metaphor... if I offer a homeless person $100 to knock his teeth out, and he agrees, is that alright? Is it morally acceptable to do so? Is it morally acceptable for a person to watch and get off to footage of me doing that?

Just because some consents to something does not make it morally acceptable or take away the harm done.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of that stuff is fake including the sex.

You are a disgusting pig who doesn't want to acknowledge the reality of women's abuse. You want to sweep it under the rug. Too bad. It's real, and we're not going to hide it anymore.

DP

And you are too obtuse to understand that these are actors, acting?

Do you understand that murders in movies aren't really murdering people? It's a movie. It's fake.

After the porno scene is shot, they clean up, get dressed, help the crew pack up the lights and gear, and then they all probably go to Chipotle or get drinks.

You didn't read the article, did you?

Please, for the love of God, READ ARTICLES before commenting. My Lord. How embarrassing to weigh in so authoritatively and you're just 1000% incorrect.

I did, and if the author really believes those women aren't professional porn actresses who know EXACTLY what they're doing, then she's operating a few bricks short of a full load.

You think she's acting when she cries out in pain? Wow. You must not have read very much about the porn industry. Time for you to educate yourself before spouting off, sparky.

I know she's an actress. Acting. Stop implying she was raped or that her participation in acting wasn't done without her clear, informed consent.

You think the sex is faked? These are not ACTRESSES, they are not a part of SAG, they did not go to the Actor's Studio, they are basically young 18 year olds who've never acted in anything in their life who are desperate for money. NOT acting. REAL pain, real distress, as so many porn actresses have spoken out about. Educate yourself.

They are over 18 and participating willingly. End of story.

No, it's not the end of story, not when deception and coercion and large amounts of money to desperate people is involved.

And that's exclusive to the sex trade?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

Er, yeah. They're excellent actors, apparently, because you and the article writer think it's all real.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of that stuff is fake including the sex.

You are a disgusting pig who doesn't want to acknowledge the reality of women's abuse. You want to sweep it under the rug. Too bad. It's real, and we're not going to hide it anymore.

DP

And you are too obtuse to understand that these are actors, acting?

Do you understand that murders in movies aren't really murdering people? It's a movie. It's fake.

After the porno scene is shot, they clean up, get dressed, help the crew pack up the lights and gear, and then they all probably go to Chipotle or get drinks.

You didn't read the article, did you?

Please, for the love of God, READ ARTICLES before commenting. My Lord. How embarrassing to weigh in so authoritatively and you're just 1000% incorrect.

I did, and if the author really believes those women aren't professional porn actresses who know EXACTLY what they're doing, then she's operating a few bricks short of a full load.

You think she's acting when she cries out in pain? Wow. You must not have read very much about the porn industry. Time for you to educate yourself before spouting off, sparky.

I know she's an actress. Acting. Stop implying she was raped or that her participation in acting wasn't done without her clear, informed consent.

You think the sex is faked? These are not ACTRESSES, they are not a part of SAG, they did not go to the Actor's Studio, they are basically young 18 year olds who've never acted in anything in their life who are desperate for money. NOT acting. REAL pain, real distress, as so many porn actresses have spoken out about. Educate yourself.

They are over 18 and participating willingly. End of story.

No, it's not the end of story, not when deception and coercion and large amounts of money to desperate people is involved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of these responses assume that the they are smart and it is the dumb, young people who are victims. As if they don't have their own agency. Sexist much?

Just like it is all the other idiots who respond to advertising but not you.

This post doesn't even make sense, but yes, with education, age, etc come wisdom, ability to negotiate, etc. 18 year olds, male or female, are going to be much easier to manipulate- especially women, who are trained and indoctrinated by culture to be agreeable.

Okay, so go ahead, support legislation that keeps the 18 year olds minors until they're 35. Then they can enter the world of porn without your handwringing, if they should lean that way.

Who mentioned 35? I think legislation to prevent people, of all sexes, from being in porn until they're say- old enough to buy a drink at a bar- would be a very wise idea. men would be really angry about it though.

Go for it. Knock yourself out. Good luck.

Thanks for your support.

You missed my sarcasm. And no, you don't have my support. Sorry.

Don't assume we're all men. I am a woman and I find your persistence in labeling women victims to be annoying and idiotic.

Oh I got it. I was just ignoring it, as I ignore all idiotic passive aggression.

I don't care if you're a woman. I find you misogynistic and juvenile. So we're even.

Some of us women don't need your patronizing bullsh*t. Even porn stars. They probably wouldn't take kindly to your prudish, sanctimonious BS.

And some of us women find handmaidens like you (if you really are a woman, which I doubt) to be predictable and pathetic. And we don't take kindly to you throwing other women under the bus in your quest for male approval

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of these responses assume that the they are smart and it is the dumb, young people who are victims. As if they don't have their own agency. Sexist much?

Just like it is all the other idiots who respond to advertising but not you.

This post doesn't even make sense, but yes, with education, age, etc come wisdom, ability to negotiate, etc. 18 year olds, male or female, are going to be much easier to manipulate- especially women, who are trained and indoctrinated by culture to be agreeable.

Okay, so go ahead, support legislation that keeps the 18 year olds minors until they're 35. Then they can enter the world of porn without your handwringing, if they should lean that way.

Who mentioned 35? I think legislation to prevent people, of all sexes, from being in porn until they're say- old enough to buy a drink at a bar- would be a very wise idea. men would be really angry about it though.

Go for it. Knock yourself out. Good luck.

Thanks for your support.

You missed my sarcasm. And no, you don't have my support. Sorry.

Don't assume we're all men. I am a woman and I find your persistence in labeling women victims to be annoying and idiotic.

Oh I got it. I was just ignoring it, as I ignore all idiotic passive aggression.

I don't care if you're a woman. I find you misogynistic and juvenile. So we're even.

Some of us women don't need your patronizing bullsh*t. Even porn stars. They probably wouldn't take kindly to your prudish, sanctimonious BS.