Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:53     Subject: Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:Just to throw out a thought--Jehovah's Witnesses do not salute the flag or recite the Pledge of Allegiance. For those who would flip out over a student or teacher sitting or kneeling during the pledge, FYI, it happens every day.

Unless we're going to stop recognizing the freedom to practice one's religion, on top of everything else...


I posted on here about this earlier. I taught children who were Jehovah's Witness. Our principal's policy was that they would stand in respect to the others in the room or wiat in the hall during the pledge. It was no big deal, but they did not sit while others stood. They did not have to pledge. Standing indicates respect. We stand when the anthem of other countries is played at events, don't we?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:53     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:If my kid was disrespectful in any way I'd put it up for adoption. I did not spend the best years of my life training the little beast manners for nothing.

Thank God mine aren't dirty liberals.


Just idiot conservatives. Fly that confederate flag in front of your meth house proudly.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:51     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:
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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.


Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."


Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.


This!
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:44     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.


Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."


Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.


Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?


MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?


Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests


Those pictures show MLK kneeling and praying in a protest situation, but the text does not indicate that the National Anthem was playing at the time. That is different from using the one knee position as a substitute for refusing to stand.

The player who started this only chose the one knee position after his refusal to stand was criticized.

People have the right to protest in any way they choose. Others have the right to disagree with them. They all have the right to discuss their thoughts in any peaceful way they wish.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:39     Subject: Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Just to throw out a thought--Jehovah's Witnesses do not salute the flag or recite the Pledge of Allegiance. For those who would flip out over a student or teacher sitting or kneeling during the pledge, FYI, it happens every day.

Unless we're going to stop recognizing the freedom to practice one's religion, on top of everything else...
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:30     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.


Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."


Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.


Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?


MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?


Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests





Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:22     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.


Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."


Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.


Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?


MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:14     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:If my kid was disrespectful in any way I'd put it up for adoption. I did not spend the best years of my life training the little beast manners for nothing.

Thank God mine aren't dirty liberals.


Your kid would be better off if you did. He or she might actually grow up to be an actual patriot instead of someone who waves the flag with one hand while giving a middle finger to the freedoms & values that flag is supposed to represent with the other.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:02     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
It's ironic that the people who shout the loudest about respecting the flag so often have the least amount of respect for the actual rights & freedoms the flag is supposed to represent.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 17:02     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
If my kid was disrespectful in any way I'd put it up for adoption. I did not spend the best years of my life training the little beast manners for nothing.

Thank God mine aren't dirty liberals.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 16:58     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.


Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."


Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.


Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 16:56     Subject: Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who see encouraging or suborning protest during the pledge/anthem as political indoctrination of children: how is it not political indoctrination to encourage/expect children to recite the pledge of allegiance and to stand at attention during the anthem? You are simply encouraging a different form of indoctrination with this "my country, right or wrong" attitude.


We are standing because "WE" are our country, NOT some leader, monarch or individual. We the people. We are standing to honor our ideal: liberty and justice for all.

We are standing to honor those who bled on the battlefield to protect "WE" Americans and our ideals above, and for those whose coffins come back wrapped in our flag.

The red stripes on the flag symbolize blood shed on the battlefield btw.

The flag is not Trump, or Obama, or any president, politician or political party. The flag is we the people and the ideals that we aspire to and fight for.

When they are protesting the flag, it is not a symbol of Trump they are insulting. They are insulting our ideals and those who fought and died for those ideals.

That is what is so insulting about this stupid "protest"


We stand because the US govt pays the NFL $13M to play the national anthem before each game.


What a load of bull. I stand for the cub scout flag ceremony too, no money there.

But I'm a veteran, you're obviously not. To some of us, the Flag & Country mean something.


I thank you for your service & respect your opinion on this issue but please do not assume that all veterans agree with you. Many veterans (my father & grandfather included) have expressed their support for the players who chose to take a knee. The right to peacefully protest against injustice is a prime example of what our country & flag are supposed to stand for.

Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 16:53     Subject: Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:Any idea if this would be acceptable in Virginia?


It 1999 When I was in 5th grade this very smart AA student didn't take a knee but she didn't stand up. She got into arguments with the teacher who was also AA but she didn't care. She passed her Bar exams last year and is now a Lawyer. Being 10 at the time I thought she was being silly, but now I don't support her doing I think she might of had a reason. I am still good friends with her.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 16:47     Subject: Re:Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.


Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."


Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 16:47     Subject: Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?
When I was in 5th grade this very smart AA student didn't take a knee but she didn't stand up. She got into arguments with the teacher who was also AA but she didn't care. She passed her Bar exams and is now a Lawyer.