Anonymous
08/28/2017 08:30
Subject: Re:Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's such a big leg up so this is mind boggling.
It might not be as mind boggling if the applicant pool demographics were known. Another interesting data point would be the percentage of applicants of each race rejected from each school.
You can see this for black students for some schools here. But I still don't get why it matters:
We, uh, need to know about grades and test scores to draw anything from this.
Are you people sense? I'm responding to the poster asking to see the % of applicants rejected by race. This is a chart about black students. Geez.
Anonymous
08/28/2017 08:30
Subject: Affirmative action has failed
8:18, my point is this is a very complicated topic. Discussions are often plagued with underlying stereotypes and the absence of real facts, proportionality and rationality.
Anonymous
08/28/2017 08:20
Subject: Re:Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's such a big leg up so this is mind boggling.
It might not be as mind boggling if the applicant pool demographics were known. Another interesting data point would be the percentage of applicants of each race rejected from each school.
You can see this for black students for some schools here. But I still don't get why it matters:
We, uh, need to know about grades and test scores to draw anything from this.
Anonymous
08/28/2017 08:18
Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:I say the same thing every times these threads come up. But, as I have learned from the current environment in this country, people often keep long-held beliefs, even when they fly in the face of facts.
Most of the schools my DC applied to, among the top fifty schools, were less than 8 percent African American. The numbers are miniscule. We were looking for a diverse culture but it was hard to find.
Some numbers. A few years ago, the African American males at UCLA did a video. At that time, there were 43, yes, 43, of them (AA males) that were not athletes in the ENTIRE freshman class.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/08/ucla-black-enrollment-freshmen_n_4242213.html
I visited several highly selective colleges this past year and it was the same. For example, at most of the top schools, the international student percentages exceed those of African Americans, with most top schools taking over 10 percent international students. Yet I do not hear an outcry about these students.
Often, this blog starts off from this premise, every AA candidate has lower stats than every other race. That is not true. But I believe that this is founded on the underlying societal belief of white superiority.
This past year, I saw most kids, black and white, rejected from Ivy League and other highly selective schools. Most of these kids had tip top stats. I know students that got into Ivy League stats, black and white, that had other hooks, mostly athletes, legacies, money and fame. Almost all of these applied ED. I know very few kids that got into Ivy League regular decision, ED increases your chances of getting in exponentially at some schools but no one on DC Urban moms seems to think that as an unfair advantage.
I have no idea what your point is.
Anonymous
08/28/2017 08:08
Subject: Affirmative action has failed
Anonymous wrote:Again NESAC does have huge amount of athletic recruits.
http://www.gazettenet.com/Amherst-college-assesses-athletics-in-report-7871942
You realize there is a difference between athletic recruiting and athletic participation? NESCACs have a very limited allowance for athletic recruits....i believe it is 14 for football and 2.5 for other varsity sports. That comes to 60-70 per incoming class but the stat that should be noted is that the SAT differential for recruited athletes is -61 in the NESCAC as opposed to -250 for blacks so the athlete hook isn't quite what you imagine it to be.
Anonymous
08/27/2017 13:36
Subject: Affirmative action has failed